Indigo-3G Observers Thread

Nutrition
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[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
I’m very surprised at the physiques of many of the I3G users. There are maybe 10 users that have good physiques.

How in the world do you spend thousands of dollars on elite level sups then have no basic idea of diet or exercise?

Not hating just a bit baffled. I wish you all the best.

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i can only speak for myself but when i first started lifting (wouldnt call it training) i thought if i used all these fancy supps they would do most of the work for me… aka i actually believed what the supplement ads said word for word.

luckily i realized i wasnt getting results and had a serious attitude change

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Leverage is leverage. Its not like you deserve it more just because you are more advanced. If someone feels spending $150-200 a week on themselves as they are trying to change their body, I think that’s great. Many people spend that on booze over the weekend. What would you have them do?

Many people are seeing results beyond what they would otherwise expect and are using the opportunities presented to improve all aspects of their diet and training. Some are even learning about themselves in other ways that they wouldn’t have if not for this opportunity.

Having a cross section of abilities is great and it really gives an excellent overview of what can be achieved by people in certain cases. If you don’t have that disposable income, tough shit. If you learned to do it without supps, good for you, why do you need validation.

If this supp works half as good as it seems to, it would be a major benefit for a lot of people. For the record, when I finish with my current nutritional experiments in the fall, I intend to test out the ability of Indigo against a poor diet.

I too questioned at first why some people were picked, but I kept it to myself and now it makes sense to me. For all the talk about not hating, there is a lot of sour grapes going on here. I wonder how many would shut up if they were offered a free course of Indigo and periworkout nutrition. Something tells me the answer to that is not many.

Elite supplements, so if they are discerning customers as newbs they must be less worthy. Put down your rocks.

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[quote]Peter Orban wrote:
Leverage is leverage. Its not like you deserve it more just because you are more advanced. If someone feels spending $150-200 a week on themselves as they are trying to change their body, I think that’s great. Many people spend that on booze over the weekend. What would you have them do?

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I completely agree. Spending their money on some supplements and good food and a gym membership trying to get into better shape is better than many other places spending money. And if getting this supplement helps motivate them to work harder and eat better more power to them.

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[quote]Peter Orban wrote:
Leverage is leverage. Its not like you deserve it more just because you are more advanced. If someone feels spending $150-200 a week on themselves as they are trying to change their body, I think that’s great. Many people spend that on booze over the weekend. What would you have them do?

Many people are seeing results beyond what they would otherwise expect and are using the opportunities presented to improve all aspects of their diet and training. Some are even learning about themselves in other ways that they wouldn’t have if not for this opportunity.

Having a cross section of abilities is great and it really gives an excellent overview of what can be achieved by people in certain cases. If you don’t have that disposable income, tough shit. If you learned to do it without supps, good for you, why do you need validation.

If this supp works half as good as it seems to, it would be a major benefit for a lot of people. For the record, when I finish with my current nutritional experiments in the fall, I intend to test out the ability of Indigo against a poor diet.

I too questioned at first why some people were picked, but I kept it to myself and now it makes sense to me. For all the talk about not hating, there is a lot of sour grapes going on here. I wonder how many would shut up if they were offered a free course of Indigo and periworkout nutrition. Something tells me the answer to that is not many.

Elite supplements, so if they are discerning customers as newbs they must be less worthy. Put down your rocks.[/quote]

You are reaching a little bit there chief. I really could care less and do hope those in the test group reach their goals.

However, I seriously doubt that some will accomplish them.

This is an observation thread. I made an observation and you didn’t like it.

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Peter Orban wrote:
Leverage is leverage. Its not like you deserve it more just because you are more advanced. If someone feels spending $150-200 a week on themselves as they are trying to change their body, I think that’s great. Many people spend that on booze over the weekend. What would you have them do?

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I completely agree. Spending their money on some supplements and good food and a gym membership trying to get into better shape is better than many other places spending money. And if getting this supplement helps motivate them to work harder and eat better more power to them.[/quote]

I think some of you are missing the point…which is funny considering how clear it is.

I doubt anyone here wants anyone else to NOT reach a goal. No one has even said as much. What is being said is that, “damn, for all of the money and time many of these people have spent for years, WHERE ARE THE RESULTS!?”.

You know, if I see someone who had all of their college paid for by scholarship, got paid to go to school including all expenses…and after 4 years they have a combined 1.8 GPA, I am going to call that person out for wasting an opportunity…if not flat out failing all around.

It doesn’t matter what supplements someone takes if they can’t find that motivation INTERNALLY. The only people who think otherwise…are also fat and out of shape with no muscle.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

What is being said is that, “damn, for all of the money and time many of these people have spent for years, WHERE ARE THE RESULTS!?”.

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Why is that anybody’s business other than that of the person spending the time and money?

Personally, I don’t get all the time spent commenting on others by people like you. [/quote]

Hmmm, I hope you hold the same sentiment when this board boasts its one millionth “I hate fat people” thread or the next time a poster complains about all of the obese people on scooters.

This is a website focused on making the most physical progress…so yeah, when someone has been training for a decade or has spent a million dollars on supplements and looks completely untrained, it tends to stand out.

No one has to “spend all of the time commenting on others”. This is pretty damn “in your face” and doesn’t require searching for. No one would care if this wasn’t being made the point of discussion on the board by the very people who you seem to think it shouldn’t matter for.

This product’s sales tactic focuses on getting many of those who spent the most here to PUBLICLY BROADCAST HOW MUCH PROGRESS THEY HAVE BEEN MAKING…so who has to “spend all of this time”?

It shocks you that how you look might hold some weight on a website like this?

Really?

I mean…REALLY?

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Back to topic.

All opinions aside, I am quite pleased Prof X and others are going to be using Indigo-3G. I believe (not sure) team 2 folks consist of more hardcore and experienced trainers, not just Velocity Diet participants…and I’m really interested to see if their experience mimics my own.

Between Velocity Dieters, people just trying to get in shape, fraternity boy chest and biceps only trainers, hardcore powerlifters, bodybuilders, and cross fit trainers, I hope a large cross section of people get to use it to really determine its positive effects no matter what you do or are.

I think it is pretty clear I’m sold on the product. I’ll very interested to see if others will be too…especially the harder core elements of T-Nation.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

So, the Indigo users have not made much progress, then in your opinion?

Besides, I’m not talking about just this product. This is a pattern for you. You’re an elder statesman of sorts around here. You should act like it.

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To you and anyone else with the same complex, I don’t care how you think I SHOULD post. It doesn’t matter what you think about how I post…and frankly, the very fact that every single debate with any of you turns into some personal focus on me as a person instead of the fucking argument points to some deep seated issues on your side.

YES, your fucking progress should matter. It SHOULD matter whether you spent a fucking decade making zero fuck all progress…because that is what dictates whether anyone should care about any results you actually do see from brief periods of initiative.

How is ignoring the progress people are actually making helping anyone?

It isn’t, is it?

But that isn’t your concern.

How nice a post sounds is.

Funny shit.

Thank you for not wasting my time with another post.

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[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
Back to topic.

All opinions aside, I am quite pleased Prof X and others are going to be using Indigo-3G. I believe (not sure) team 2 folks consist of more hardcore and experienced trainers, not just Velocity Diet participants…and I’m really interested to see if their experience mimics my own.

Between Velocity Dieters, people just trying to get in shape, fraternity boy chest and biceps only trainers, hardcore powerlifters, bodybuilders, and cross fit trainers, I hope a large cross section of people get to use it to really determine its positive effects no matter what you do or are.

I think it is pretty clear I’m sold on the product. I’ll very interested to see if others will be too…especially the harder core elements of T-Nation.[/quote]
Sorry I wasn’t “hardcore” enough for you.

I understand what you are saying, you would have liked a larger group of peers that were closer to you in experience and physique, but I don’t know if it’s fair to lump together such a large cross section of people and call them “Velocity Dieters”. That way you put it makes it sound derogatory, like a V-Diet participant is synonomous with a fat, unmotivatived, naive, newb.

Yeah, the V-Diet attracts some “newbs” that have little workout experience, are grossly overweight, and have had little motivation in the past. Some of them do the diet, see some success and then revert back to their old ways…yeah it happens. But that isn’t everyone. Some of us actually use it as a kickstart for a permanent change.

I fully realize that I am nowhere near your level of physique (I postulate this anyways since you made the personal decision not to post any pictures of yourself), but I think I was every bit as entitled to be a part of Team 1 as you were. Maybe my experience doesn’t directly translate or validate what you saw, but there are others out there that can look at what I have done and draw parallels to where they are and what the want to do to make a decision, just like there are people out there that look on your exerience and make a decision based on what you reported.

It seems to me that Team 1 did have quite a cross section of people. The fact that there were only 81 means that, yeah, there weren’t a whole lot of other guys in your exact situation. But there were a couple, and I would have much rather of had that, than 81 “hardcore” guys. First, selfishly, because I wouldn’t have been a participant, and secondly because then the conversation on this thread would now be about how there weren’t any less advanced guys, and questions about how would it work for the “average” guy who didn’t have 20+ years of experience in the gym.

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[quote]hockeydawg wrote:

[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
Back to topic.

All opinions aside, I am quite pleased Prof X and others are going to be using Indigo-3G. I believe (not sure) team 2 folks consist of more hardcore and experienced trainers, not just Velocity Diet participants…and I’m really interested to see if their experience mimics my own.

Between Velocity Dieters, people just trying to get in shape, fraternity boy chest and biceps only trainers, hardcore powerlifters, bodybuilders, and cross fit trainers, I hope a large cross section of people get to use it to really determine its positive effects no matter what you do or are.

I think it is pretty clear I’m sold on the product. I’ll very interested to see if others will be too…especially the harder core elements of T-Nation.[/quote]
Sorry I wasn’t “hardcore” enough for you.

I understand what you are saying, you would have liked a larger group of peers that were closer to you in experience and physique, but I don’t know if it’s fair to lump together such a large cross section of people and call them “Velocity Dieters”. That way you put it makes it sound derogatory, like a V-Diet participant is synonomous with a fat, unmotivatived, naive, newb.

Yeah, the V-Diet attracts some “newbs” that have little workout experience, are grossly overweight, and have had little motivation in the past. Some of them do the diet, see some success and then revert back to their old ways…yeah it happens. But that isn’t everyone. Some of us actually use it as a kickstart for a permanent change.

I fully realize that I am nowhere near your level of physique (I postulate this anyways since you made the personal decision not to post any pictures of yourself), but I think I was every bit as entitled to be a part of Team 1 as you were. Maybe my experience doesn’t directly translate or validate what you saw, but there are others out there that can look at what I have done and draw parallels to where they are and what the want to do to make a decision, just like there are people out there that look on your exerience and make a decision based on what you reported.

It seems to me that Team 1 did have quite a cross section of people. The fact that there were only 81 means that, yeah, there weren’t a whole lot of other guys in your exact situation. But there were a couple, and I would have much rather of had that, than 81 “hardcore” guys. First, selfishly, because I wouldn’t have been a participant, and secondly because then the conversation on this thread would now be about how there weren’t any less advanced guys, and questions about how would it work for the “average” guy who didn’t have 20+ years of experience in the gym.

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Ah dude…it wasn’t my intention to lump everyone into the Velocity Dieter group…and you’re right, my words definitely can be construed to mean I’m being derogatory to those who were. Again, not my intention. And if you read my posts above to this thread, I’m even trying to defend those who really are a little too chubby but are doing something about it. In no way should you look at my opinion to indicate those in team 1 did not deserve to be on team 1. Again, not my intention.

But is was my intention to indicate it would have been nice to have a little more harder core population; you are right there. I will not apologize for that, because yes, being somewhat selfish myself, I have my own interests which would have been better served with the more hardcore element. Look at my posts, my spills, etc on I-3G…it ALWAYS leans towards possibilities of optimizing it even more…and typically with anabolics. I’m looking for more discussion on that topic…getting some, but wishing there were others with my experience level and using I-3G to delve deeper into it. And really now…I truly believe there are many in team 1 who have already categorized me into a certain unsavory group…not intending to (or maybe intending to)…but have a bit. Just like I may have a little but didn’t intend to. It’s all good.

There are hardcore guys on team 1. The Mighty Stu, Synergy, Hospitaller, etc…so you’re right, there is a cross section. There are also really wonderful people in there too who are not at a higher training level but are working their butt off, and I definitely am glad they are part of team 1 as well. But, and this is just me being selfish, it would be really nice to have a bigger hardcore population. Something I think team 2 has.

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[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:

[quote]hockeydawg wrote:

[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
Back to topic.

All opinions aside, I am quite pleased Prof X and others are going to be using Indigo-3G. I believe (not sure) team 2 folks consist of more hardcore and experienced trainers, not just Velocity Diet participants…and I’m really interested to see if their experience mimics my own.

Between Velocity Dieters, people just trying to get in shape, fraternity boy chest and biceps only trainers, hardcore powerlifters, bodybuilders, and cross fit trainers, I hope a large cross section of people get to use it to really determine its positive effects no matter what you do or are.

I think it is pretty clear I’m sold on the product. I’ll very interested to see if others will be too…especially the harder core elements of T-Nation.[/quote]
Sorry I wasn’t “hardcore” enough for you.

I understand what you are saying, you would have liked a larger group of peers that were closer to you in experience and physique, but I don’t know if it’s fair to lump together such a large cross section of people and call them “Velocity Dieters”. That way you put it makes it sound derogatory, like a V-Diet participant is synonomous with a fat, unmotivatived, naive, newb.

Yeah, the V-Diet attracts some “newbs” that have little workout experience, are grossly overweight, and have had little motivation in the past. Some of them do the diet, see some success and then revert back to their old ways…yeah it happens. But that isn’t everyone. Some of us actually use it as a kickstart for a permanent change.

I fully realize that I am nowhere near your level of physique (I postulate this anyways since you made the personal decision not to post any pictures of yourself), but I think I was every bit as entitled to be a part of Team 1 as you were. Maybe my experience doesn’t directly translate or validate what you saw, but there are others out there that can look at what I have done and draw parallels to where they are and what the want to do to make a decision, just like there are people out there that look on your exerience and make a decision based on what you reported.

It seems to me that Team 1 did have quite a cross section of people. The fact that there were only 81 means that, yeah, there weren’t a whole lot of other guys in your exact situation. But there were a couple, and I would have much rather of had that, than 81 “hardcore” guys. First, selfishly, because I wouldn’t have been a participant, and secondly because then the conversation on this thread would now be about how there weren’t any less advanced guys, and questions about how would it work for the “average” guy who didn’t have 20+ years of experience in the gym.

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Ah dude…it wasn’t my intention to lump everyone into the Velocity Dieter group…and you’re right, my words definitely can be construed to mean I’m being derogatory to those who were. Again, not my intention. And if you read my posts above to this thread, I’m even trying to defend those who really are a little too chubby but are doing something about it. In no way should you look at my opinion to indicate those in team 1 did not deserve to be on team 1. Again, not my intention.

But is was my intention to indicate it would have been nice to have a little more harder core population; you are right there. I will not apologize for that, because yes, being somewhat selfish myself, I have my own interests which would have been better served with the more hardcore element. Look at my posts, my spills, etc on I-3G…it ALWAYS leans towards possibilities of optimizing it even more…and typically with anabolics. I’m looking for more discussion on that topic…getting some, but wishing there were others with my experience level and using I-3G to delve deeper into it. And really now…I truly believe there are many in team 1 who have already categorized me into a certain unsavory group…not intending to (or maybe intending to)…but have a bit. Just like I may have a little but didn’t intend to. It’s all good.

There are hardcore guys on team 1. The Mighty Stu, Synergy, Hospitaller, etc…so you’re right, there is a cross section. There are also really wonderful people in there too who are not at a higher training level but are working their butt off, and I definitely am glad they are part of team 1 as well. But, and this is just me being selfish, it would be really nice to have a bigger hardcore population. Something I think team 2 has. [/quote]
I understand what you are saying and hope you get more of what you are looking for with Team 2. I just took exception with how you phrased it in the post. But I see what you are saying.

I don’t know about others, but I have not categorized you in a “certain unsavory group”. While I cannot directly relate to your experiences, I look forward to reading about your progress and observations. Just because I am not in the same situation, I still find value in what you are reporting. Your posts are some of the most detailed and insightful.

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People are making waaaaaay to much of all this. Its just another supplement guys, possibly a very good one, but at the end of the day, its just another supplement that:

a) some people will get a lot of benefit from
b) some people will get none from
c) a bunch of people who never lifted a weight will buy
d) a bunch of highly trained huge guys will try
e) A bunch of guys in-between c and d will buy
f) a bunch of people with a bunch of money looking for any help they can get will buy regardless of whether they are c, d or e
g) a bunch of people who should be focusing on paying rent regardless of whether they are c, d or e

JUST another supplement.

Good luck to everyone who takes, it, good luck to anyone who doesn’t.

Take it easy, big world out there outside of all this.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Peter Orban wrote:
Leverage is leverage. Its not like you deserve it more just because you are more advanced. If someone feels spending $150-200 a week on themselves as they are trying to change their body, I think that’s great. Many people spend that on booze over the weekend. What would you have them do?

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I completely agree. Spending their money on some supplements and good food and a gym membership trying to get into better shape is better than many other places spending money. And if getting this supplement helps motivate them to work harder and eat better more power to them.[/quote]

I think some of you are missing the point…which is funny considering how clear it is.

I doubt anyone here wants anyone else to NOT reach a goal. No one has even said as much. What is being said is that, “damn, for all of the money and time many of these people have spent for years, WHERE ARE THE RESULTS!?”.

You know, if I see someone who had all of their college paid for by scholarship, got paid to go to school including all expenses…and after 4 years they have a combined 1.8 GPA, I am going to call that person out for wasting an opportunity…if not flat out failing all around.

It doesn’t matter what supplements someone takes if they can’t find that motivation INTERNALLY. The only people who think otherwise…are also fat and out of shape with no muscle.[/quote]

Nice analogy I’m glad someone else noticed the disconnect in thinking. Bad diet and inconsistent training aren’t going to be overcome by a miracle sup. I think that maybe one of the reasons Shuggart is taking such an active role in getting some I3G users nutrition out of the gutter and on track.

btw your back looks huge man…no homo

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While I’m sure these thoughts have crossed a lot of our minds, why verbalize it? Maybe this is the time that somebody finally gets things turned around once and for all. I can sit here and find fault in every person on this website if I try, doesn’t really do any good though.

Constructive ctiticism is one thing, but saying you sure look like shit for a level 4 is just trying to make yourself look better, whether you’re doing that consciously or not. I question the people that have a half million posts, and 50% of them are belittling other people, those people most likely, are the most phony people on here.

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[quote]sniper1 wrote:
While I’m sure these thoughts have crossed a lot of our minds, why verbalize it? Maybe this is the time that somebody finally gets things turned around once and for all. I can sit here and find fault in every person on this website if I try, doesn’t really do any good though.

Constructive ctiticism is one thing, but saying you sure look like shit for a level 4 is just trying to make yourself look better, whether you’re doing that consciously or not. I question the people that have a half million posts, and 50% of them are belittling other people, those people most likely, are the most phony people on here.[/quote]

Why verbalize it? There are many good reasons…like the realization that sweeping it under the carpet isn’t actually helping anyone.

There are clearly people here who actually have many posts on the board or who have literally bought tons of supps who have obviously not been doing anything in the gym but showing up…maybe…and then relapsing into a “pallet of cheeze-its” or a pile of cake over and over while buying literally everything this company released.

I doubt anyone paid much attention before…but it is seriously funny how some of us can be judged from the ground up (even down to our character and psyche), but if we dare notice the huge number of people not doing shit, suddenly we’re the bad guys.

That makes no sense.

No one is simply saying “you look like shit for a level four”…because that impliues we are only looking at a minority.

I mean, are some of you really looking at this?

I would say MOST of the people with pictures posted look like straight up newbs…but the goal is to act like that isn’t the case?

Why?

can you explain what good ignoring it does?

Please do so in detail.

No one here is writing that to make themselves look better. If YOUR goal is to change how you look, realizing just how much effort it will take can only help you.

The only thing that comes from ignoring it…is the generation of a fantasy play land where everyone gets to pretend they take this seriously while online before they return to that box of Oreos.

Solution:

How about…if you have been lifting for upwards of 5 years and spent over 10 grand in supplements but don’t look like you lift…that you continue buying supplements but DONATE them to people who will actually put them to good use.

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[quote]sniper1 wrote:
While I’m sure these thoughts have crossed a lot of our minds, why verbalize it?.[/quote]

One more thing…if you had this thought cross your mind and are aware enough to believe it has crossed the minds of others…who is really being fake by NOT vocalizing it?

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Actually, well written, and changed my mind to a degree. I guess, to me, it is all how the “criticism” is delivered, and recieved. Also, I was thinking, a persons age really DOES affect where they come down on all of this. When I was in my 20s I would have been totally down on these folks that “don’t look the part” but now in my mid 40s I’m a little more sympathetic to the challenges that some people may face, that you or I have no idea about.

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[quote]sniper1 wrote:
Actually, well written, and changed my mind to a degree. I guess, to me, it is all how the “criticism” is delivered, and recieved. Also, I was thinking, a persons age really DOES affect where they come down on all of this. When I was in my 20s I would have been totally down on these folks that “don’t look the part” but now in my mid 40s I’m a little more sympathetic to the challenges that some people may face, that you or I have no idea about.

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You see, It wouldn’t have made a difference to me whether I was in my 20’s or 30’s…because when I was in my 20’s, I was avoiding going out at times and had my face buried in books so I could pass board exams…while still making it to the gym.

I was in a car wreck last fall that broke my shoulder and fucked my legs up to the point that I just started doing legs again about 2 months ago…and am just now back up to the weight I was before last October.

Yeah, we get it…life is fucking rough.

The only problem with that thought…is that it is rough to the rest of us as well.

Bottom line, don’t get pissed at the people asking why men and women are actually spending so much on supplements that they could fund some of these guys’ college tuitions when they look more out of shape and weakly developed than most of the people I see at the gym who can’t afford shit.

Maybe, just maybe, we could all face reality together.

I posted my out of shape pics.

I think anyone crying because we noticed how much they aren’t doing may just need a wake up call.

Denying it isn’t doing anyone any good…but I guess it makes you look like the “nice guys”.