[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
3 weeks of Indigo-3G. Oh yeah, and you see I had a log each time and before I had a personal trainer I PAID good money for to keep me in line. To me, it’s night and day.
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no offense bro, but it seems like you’ve wasted a lot of money on supps and PT’s.
I really hope this Indigo-3G works for you… I think if you would have consistently lifted hard and not eaten too terribly, you would look way better now than you did in 2006. (5+ years of solid working out)
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I plan on trying out Indigo-3G but I dont think its going to be replace good old fashioned hard work and discipline.
[quote]gregt51 wrote:
where’s the muscle? just saying.[/quote]
18 days? Are you for real? What kind of muscle do you expect in 18 days when MOST reputable trainers say you can’t put on more than 10-15lbs of real muscle in a year?[/quote]
I believe he is talking about 5 YEARS between your two sets of pictures… not the 18 days lol
[quote]gregt51 wrote:
where’s the muscle? just saying.[/quote]
18 days? Are you for real? What kind of muscle do you expect in 18 days when MOST reputable trainers say you can’t put on more than 10-15lbs of real muscle in a year?[/quote]
I believe he is talking about 5 YEARS between your two sets of pictures… not the 18 days lol[/quote]
AH I see. Gotcha. Well after a year of working my ass off and no results, I just fell back into my normal routine at college and went off the deep end. Then got into Public Accounting working 80 hours a week. Got fat. Got lazy. Got unhealthy.
Changed my lifestyle back well before this Indigo-3G stuff.
EDIT: Sorry for my constant typos. I’m out of it and am not re-reading my posts before I send.
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Changed my lifestyle back well before this Indigo-3G stuff.
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thats awesome man, congrats. Dont fall into a rut like you did last time and stick with it… Good luck[/quote]
Thanks for the support man! And I don’t mind being called out or anything. I’m the first one to admit when I’m effing up. No worries though. I got back into the Groove in January…well actually was in the groove before then but I went through 3 traumatic events at once in October/November where I didn’t even eat except breakfast for over a month which was a MAJOR set back.
I now have a job where I travel 2 weeks a month and still am not letting that be an excuse. I am the first to admit consistency and working hard really is the basis for everything and hope no one believes that Indigo is a “magic pill” that will fix all your worries without such an attitude.
[quote]gregt51 wrote:
i do not comment on here very much but i just found this thread and found the reading very interesting.alot of good points have been made.IMO i don’t believe the hype.i think it is a pure marketing ploy.as far as the changes i have seen very little.at this point i think it is mind over matter.give them this supp and tell them it is great and they will start to see and feel changes.just like the story the emporers new clothes.
the supp will never take the place of hard work in the gym or otherwise.i personally would not spend 400 on any supp.i can buy a hell of alot of good food with that money that i am positve from my own experience will do just as much if not more than some miracle supp.IMO there just is no subsitute for hard work.this is not a 6 or 12 week thing it is a lifestyle within a lifestyle.
except for a few of the people in this test market most are not what they say they are.typical internet bullshit hidden behind a computer you can be what ever you want whenever you want…this post is not meant to offend anyone if does oh well life’s a bitch live it to it’s fullest it is more fun that way.[/quote]
I completely understand your skepticism, and everyone else who feels the same way. Everyone should be very skeptical of this or any other supplement that is “advertised” in such a way that it seems like a miracle or the one pill that rules them all. In a way, sometimes the “advertisement” style of articles touting raising the expectations of supplements borders on the ridiculous.
My experiences cannot be construed as being what everyone else will experience. I am a strong believer that everyone is very different…that even though there are “generalities” with respect to common effects, the intensity and scope of such effects are very wide ranging. My reported observations are based solely on my perception of how it is working for me; I can only base my experience on historical experiences with other substances, supplements, or “clean”. I provide the observations as simple data for those to use as they see fit, hoping that people realize they must experiment on their own to really determine the effects on them.
As to your opinion of who is posting and “they are not who they say they are”, you are right. You simply cannot trust posts on any site. Mine included. All I can say is I’m trying to be as honest and as objective as I can…I understand my stance on somewhat “staying of the grid” with regards to pics, videos severely hampers the credibility of my reports, but I knew that. And I do have good reasons. To be up front here, my intention on using I-3G was never to want to report in the 1st place…I wanted to run my own experiments for my own benefit. I sort of felt “peer pressured” into starting the log and going along with how Biotest wanted to run all of this. Those “livespills” are so reminiscent of facebook, twitter, etc…things I simply can’t stand…but now I sort of “get” why it is so addictive. Hell, I’ve posted more on the livespill in the last month or so than I have posted ever.
It is so often that one’s benign and good intentions often get construed as “fake” or “trying to sell something”…I never wanted this. But I knew this would happen.
[quote]ds1973 wrote:
Amazingly, for a guy without pictures, buffd_samurai’s word on this supplement is carrying a lot of weight with me. Just to clarify this is not a sarcastic post. He’s fully disclosed his background and given detailed reports of how he “feels” both on IG3 and compared to anabolics.
For all of you calling for Biotest to “play fair”, keep in mind that I-3G is their property. They can sell it or give it away as they see fit. You have no RIGHT to it.[/quote]
Appreciate the kind words…but even if you were sarcastic I DO understand. Sometimes I do wish I could post some pics and videos in order to “prove” something, but I know it would simply open up comments with regards to “all drugs”…or “built on drugs” type of feedback. Thanks but no thanks. I don’t feel a need to prove anything. All I intend to do is meet what I consider my obligations as being on team 1 to report what I can. Many will note that I am checking Indigo-3G out my own way…irrespective of what Biotest advises. I’m following my own testing procedures that I do with all new things I experiment with, and am sharing some of that data.
@ZJStrope: YOU keep up the good work. As many have correctly stated on this thread, the most important thing is consistency of hard training in addition to good diet.
One’s ability to gain or not gain (muscle that is) I think is highly determined by one’s genetic testosterone level. I keep reading on this site that “insulin is the greatest anabolic hormone”, and I say that is bunk. Insulin can load nutrients, both aminos and carbs into either fat or muscle, but it can’t do diddly in the cell without the hormonal command to construct something.
The limitation is the testosterone level…the free testosterone level, and the cells’ sensitivity to it. Anabolics (natural or exogenous) always have, and they always will be the king of real muscle building. Period.
Indigo-3G sensitizes the cell to insulin, that’s great. But I’m starting to believe that we need something (in the future) that seriously sensitizes the cell to anabolic hormones. Receptormax supposedly does this to a certain extent, but it would be great to have something that sensitizes the cell to testosterone as much as Indigo-3G sensitizes it to insulin.
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
Indigo-3G sensitizes the cell to insulin, that’s great. But I’m starting to believe that we need something (in the future) that seriously sensitizes the cell to anabolic hormones. Receptormax supposedly does this to a certain extent, but it would be great to have something that sensitizes the cell to testosterone as much as Indigo-3G sensitizes it to insulin. [/quote]
I really hope something like this appears in the future, because a combo of that and Indigo sounds EXTREMELY powerful.
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
Indigo-3G sensitizes the cell to insulin, that’s great. But I’m starting to believe that we need something (in the future) that seriously sensitizes the cell to anabolic hormones. Receptormax supposedly does this to a certain extent, but it would be great to have something that sensitizes the cell to testosterone as much as Indigo-3G sensitizes it to insulin. [/quote]
I really hope something like this appears in the future, because a combo of that and Indigo sounds EXTREMELY powerful.[/quote]
[quote]ds1973 wrote:
Amazingly, for a guy without pictures, buffd_samurai’s word on this supplement is carrying a lot of weight with me. Just to clarify this is not a sarcastic post. He’s fully disclosed his background and given detailed reports of how he “feels” both on IG3 and compared to anabolics.
For all of you calling for Biotest to “play fair”, keep in mind that I-3G is their property. They can sell it or give it away as they see fit. You have no RIGHT to it.[/quote]
Appreciate the kind words…but even if you were sarcastic I DO understand. Sometimes I do wish I could post some pics and videos in order to “prove” something, but I know it would simply open up comments with regards to “all drugs”…or “built on drugs” type of feedback. Thanks but no thanks. I don’t feel a need to prove anything. All I intend to do is meet what I consider my obligations as being on team 1 to report what I can. Many will note that I am checking Indigo-3G out my own way…irrespective of what Biotest advises. I’m following my own testing procedures that I do with all new things I experiment with, and am sharing some of that data.
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Not being sarcastic. I like your detailed reporting style and the fact that you seem to know how your body responds. You’ve been doing this for a while so you’ve tried different supplements, different training styles, ways of eating, etc. You also seem like one of the active members who hasn’t got as caught up as the others in the “hype” or significantly changed their training and nutrition due to being in the public eye.
I think the problem with some of the team 1 members is that they’re still learning how their bodies respond. Heck, I just found out recently that I can still get leaner eating 2 times a day or by eating ice-cream or other “evil carbs” after 6 PM.
[quote]ds1973 wrote:
Amazingly, for a guy without pictures, buffd_samurai’s word on this supplement is carrying a lot of weight with me. Just to clarify this is not a sarcastic post. He’s fully disclosed his background and given detailed reports of how he “feels” both on IG3 and compared to anabolics.
For all of you calling for Biotest to “play fair”, keep in mind that I-3G is their property. They can sell it or give it away as they see fit. You have no RIGHT to it.[/quote]
Appreciate the kind words…but even if you were sarcastic I DO understand. Sometimes I do wish I could post some pics and videos in order to “prove” something, but I know it would simply open up comments with regards to “all drugs”…or “built on drugs” type of feedback. Thanks but no thanks. I don’t feel a need to prove anything. All I intend to do is meet what I consider my obligations as being on team 1 to report what I can. Many will note that I am checking Indigo-3G out my own way…irrespective of what Biotest advises. I’m following my own testing procedures that I do with all new things I experiment with, and am sharing some of that data.
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Not being sarcastic. I like your detailed reporting style and the fact that you seem to know how your body responds. You’ve been doing this for a while so you’ve tried different supplements, different training styles, ways of eating, etc. You also seem like one of the active members who hasn’t got as caught up as the others in the “hype” or significantly changed their training and nutrition due to being in the public eye.
I think the problem with some of the team 1 members is that they’re still learning how their bodies respond. Heck, I just found out recently that I can still get leaner eating 2 times a day or by eating ice-cream or other “evil carbs” after 6 PM.[/quote]
I used to hate that nobody could tell me how my body would respond to eating and training. But now I have embraced the journey and discovery of how I react to different training and different nutrition. It is actually a lot more fun now. Its one large learning experience and I cannot wait to learn more and get to the point where those advanced lifters are. Keep it up Buffd.
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
Indigo-3G sensitizes the cell to insulin, that’s great. But I’m starting to believe that we need something (in the future) that seriously sensitizes the cell to anabolic hormones. Receptormax supposedly does this to a certain extent, but it would be great to have something that sensitizes the cell to testosterone as much as Indigo-3G sensitizes it to insulin. [/quote]
Buffed, re: the receptormax and anabolic hormones - BR gives his thoughts on it in the above thread.
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
Indigo-3G sensitizes the cell to insulin, that’s great. But I’m starting to believe that we need something (in the future) that seriously sensitizes the cell to anabolic hormones. Receptormax supposedly does this to a certain extent, but it would be great to have something that sensitizes the cell to testosterone as much as Indigo-3G sensitizes it to insulin. [/quote]
Buffed, re: the receptormax and anabolic hormones - BR gives his thoughts on it in the above thread.
Sorry about the posting mix-up, mods. [/quote]
Thanks for the link. Love Bill’s articles and general opinion on things. I miss those days when the hardcore element of T-Nation was the norm…which meant alot more of Bill Roberts, Cy Wilson, etc. T-Nation has become very watered down in my humble opinion…but that is not knocking the non-hardcore or Biotest for appealing more to the masses. Times have changed it seems, but that isn’t so bad I guess.
I think so much emphasis these days is fat loss this, fat loss that…is this Men’s Health? Alot of folks from the old days of Muscle Media 2000 complain of that institution going “soft” after Bill Phillips became “soft”…and I sort of see the same thing happening a bit with T-Nation recently. Not nearly as bad as MM2000, but there is definitely something lacking.
But truth is, hardcore elements of bodybuilding or powerlifting simply does not contain the numbers necessary to support a healthy business. And articles on steroid use brings the FAA and the government focused on you…also something you don’t want to happen if you want longevity in the business. So, I guess I sadly understand this direction.
How is everybody’s strenght progressing on this? I see some of the bodyfat reduction but nothing that makes me say, ZOMG I need to spend $300 on this supplement.