[quote]gregt51 wrote:
yup the medical field always looking for that one pill cure for everything.gotta hand it to them.of the side effects include enlarged heart,diareha,blurred vision and stroke consult your doctor before using this supp.liver tests may be needed lol[/quote]
disclaimer: im skeptical too
but from what i’ve read those side effects are very rare and minimal when they occur… just like any other supplement you have to decide if the benefits outweigh the risks and it seems like they do
[quote]corstijeir wrote:
I feel that 200g of carbs a day with most being peri-workout…wont make you gain fat if you’re putting the effort in the gym, however only time will tell.
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If you’re “putting in the effort in the gym” and taking in 200g’s or less of carbs a day (most of which peri-workout) you arent going to get fat IMO… I-3G or not.
Using someone with my stats as an example: 5’11" 210ish lbs
250g’s of pro = 1000 calories (nearly 1.25 grams per lb)
50g’s of fat = 450 calories (nearly 25% of calories)
200g’s of carbs = 800 calories (filling in the rest of the cals here basically)
that is a total of 2,250 calories… you are not going to get fat off of that if you are hitting the gym hard.
Amazingly, for a guy without pictures, buffd_samurai’s word on this supplement is carrying a lot of weight with me. Just to clarify this is not a sarcastic post. He’s fully disclosed his background and given detailed reports of how he “feels” both on IG3 and compared to anabolics.
For all of you calling for Biotest to “play fair”, keep in mind that I-3G is their property. They can sell it or give it away as they see fit. You have no RIGHT to it.
my point exactly.these poeple aren’t putting the effort.it’s not about a supp it’s about hard work,effort,sweat and diet.IMO the human body is perfect it is the mind that screws it up.our bodies know what to do with food but not the man made crap they put in almost everything.also thier can be 2 greg’s you will just have to share lol
[quote]ds1973 wrote:
Amazingly, for a guy without pictures, buffd_samurai’s word on this supplement is carrying a lot of weight with me. Just to clarify this is not a sarcastic post. He’s fully disclosed his background and given detailed reports of how he “feels” both on IG3 and compared to anabolics…[/quote]
[quote]gregron wrote:
Using someone with my stats as an example: 5’11" 210ish lbs
250g’s of pro = 1000 calories (nearly 1.25 grams per lb)
50g’s of fat = 450 calories (nearly 25% of calories)
200g’s of carbs = 800 calories (filling in the rest of the cals here basically)
that is a total of 2,250 calories… you are not going to get fat off of that if you are hitting the gym hard.[/quote]
You’re most likely right and i’m not arguing against that. If someone tells me though that if they eat 200g of carbs and they gain fat easily then I’m taking their word, though they might have a higher fat intake, etc.
I just know I3G is working for me compared to before. So I’ll do another round and another round as long as I can afford it.
[quote]gregt51 wrote:
yup the medical field always looking for that one pill cure for everything.gotta hand it to them.of the side effects include enlarged heart,diareha,blurred vision and stroke consult your doctor before using this supp.liver tests may be needed lol[/quote]
disclaimer: im skeptical too
but from what i’ve read those side effects are very rare and minimal when they occur… just like any other supplement you have to decide if the benefits outweigh the risks and it seems like they do[/quote]
What? Did I miss something? Are these supposed to be the side effects of I-3G?
[quote]gregron wrote:
Using someone with my stats as an example: 5’11" 210ish lbs
250g’s of pro = 1000 calories (nearly 1.25 grams per lb)
50g’s of fat = 450 calories (nearly 25% of calories)
200g’s of carbs = 800 calories (filling in the rest of the cals here basically)
that is a total of 2,250 calories… you are not going to get fat off of that if you are hitting the gym hard.[/quote]
You’re most likely right and i’m not arguing against that. If someone tells me though that if they eat 200g of carbs and they gain fat easily then I’m taking their word, though they might have a higher fat intake, etc.
I just know I3G is working for me compared to before. So I’ll do another round and another round as long as I can afford it.[/quote]
oh I’m sure it works and I would love to try it myself some day… what I was trying to say is that if you watch what you eat (you dont have to log everything and weigh out ever single meal and count your almonds) and YOU LIFT WITH INTENSITY AND CONSISTENCY you’re not going to be a huge fatty lol
Just keeping the log itself may be a driving force of change for some of the I3G users. They need a control group of lazy folks that slack off at the gym and with their diet and don’t update their logs often.
I don’t think anyone has said that Indigo-3G is the gonna change someone’s physique unless they are already working their ass off and eating right. Its just another way to get an extra step up once you are working your ass off and eating right. It will help you achieve that next level of fat loss or muscle gain by allowing your body to not waste the nutrients by delivering them to fat cells instead of the muscles you thrash in the gym.
[quote]datx21 wrote:
The people who already got to try it are on the priority list?? Thats total bush league if you ask me. Team one already got an early release while all the other loyal customers got snuffed. And by large part the team was picked by people who can sit at their computers all day and respond to livespills, while longtime loyal customers who were equally interested but without access to the spills all the live long day got the roayl shaft.
Everyone knows you don’t go up to the buffet for seconds before everyone else has had a chance to at least get firsts, come on now Biotest open it up to everyone at the same time.[/quote]
Perhaps there will be some manufacturing/production breakthrough in the upcoming weeks that will allow Biotest to offer this revolutionary, game-changing supplement to the general public at a price that, while possibly cutting their profit margin to near zero in the process, enables the Average Joe to reap the benefits of supplements formulated for elite professional athletes?
If so, then maybe the people who spent $400 bucks on the initial batch might be slightly annoyed they bit the hook after the very first cast… despite the fact they are also getting personal coaching from a professional.[/quote]
[quote]gregt51 wrote:
i do not comment on here very much but i just found this thread and found the reading very interesting.alot of good points have been made.IMO i don’t believe the hype.i think it is a pure marketing ploy.as far as the changes i have seen very little.at this point i think it is mind over matter.give them this supp and tell them it is great and they will start to see and feel changes.just like the story the emporers new clothes.
the supp will never take the place of hard work in the gym or otherwise.i personally would not spend 400 on any supp.i can buy a hell of alot of good food with that money that i am positve from my own experience will do just as much if not more than some miracle supp.IMO there just is no subsitute for hard work.this is not a 6 or 12 week thing it is a lifestyle within a lifestyle.
except for a few of the people in this test market most are not what they say they are.typical internet bullshit hidden behind a computer you can be what ever you want whenever you want…this post is not meant to offend anyone if does oh well life’s a bitch live it to it’s fullest it is more fun that way.[/quote]
That’s fine. You don’t have to believe anything. More Indigo-3G for me. I’m glad you know who we all are behind this internet wall. You have no idea what I’ve done in the past (I was in the Army, maxed out my PT test (Ran 12 min 2 miles), and still had a gut. The funny thing is, if people can’t experience the shit some people experience, they think other people are full of shit.
I will never argue against the basics: Hard work, solid nutrition, good planning, and consistency. But when you have all those and you still have sub optimal results, there’s something else wrong. That’s my last post to someone who thinks EVERYONE is full of shit
Ok. Quickly. I decided pictures and logs tell all.
So back in 2005-2006, I was deployed to Iraq. Hired Craig Ballyntyne (sp?). I can’t find my beginning log anywhere. My old site purged things older than that. Anywho, I quickly went from 195lbs to 173lb in like 2.5 months…skinny fat though but MUCH thinner. So we decided to get me to bulk. So far 5 months, all I did was eat CLEAN, work, and workout in the desert. That’s it. Now way to cheat, no alcohol, nothing. Just pure work every day carrying equipment around, riding my bike EVERYwhere. So from March 2006 to August 2006, I put on about 15-20lbs. Then during the month of August 2006, I switched back over to leaning out. The picture below is starting out after the bulk and then at the end of the month, me TRYING to lean out.
And here is the result. You can also see these pics in the thread above:
Now compare that to just 3 weeks of JUST lifitng and INCREASING CALORIES and NO CARDIO after Indigo 3-G while at home…all kinds of chances to eff up my diet. That’s the next post. You can also view that log in the Indigo-3G LOgs
3 weeks of Indigo-3G. Oh yeah, and you see I had a log each time and before I had a personal trainer I PAID good money for to keep me in line. To me, it’s night and day.
EDIT: Sorry this isnt my 3 week pic. It was my 10 day pic.
[quote]gregt51 wrote:
where’s the muscle? just saying.[/quote]
18 days? Are you for real? What kind of muscle do you expect in 18 days when MOST reputable trainers say you can’t put on more than 10-15lbs of real muscle in a year?
EDIT: Also, I weight 1 lb more and my waist is half inch smaller in my Indigo-3G pic as compared to the ending pic of 2006.
