Incredulous' First Cycle Log, Test/Dbol

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[quote]incredulous wrote:
I don’t eat preworkout carbs. I probably should but I can’t lift hard with anything recent in my belly. [/quote]

I can’t last more than 45 minutes without preworkout sweet potato or oatmeal.

On leg day I definitely feel the food digesting and working gases out by way of burping. But it allows me to workout up to two hours. Slow but steady.

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I’ve felt so beat up from work and training the passed few days that I’ve really struggled to eat in the evenings. My appetite is crushed from an ill feeling that lasts until several hours after I’m done training. Last night, I was sweating like crazy doing all that squat volume but couldn’t drink enough water because the shit gave me heartburn. Just water. Heartburn. Wtf? As a result, I got the worst cramp of my life last night. My hamstring froze up so bad I thought I might fucking die.

Same thing this morning with the water induced heartburn. Tonight was the same nauseous feeling all evening too and as such I’ve lost one large meal.

Diet day 46:
175g whey, 75g waxy, 2 cups berries, banana, coconut oil, 3 McD’s dbl cheeseburgers, 1 cup dry oats, some dark chocolate, 8oz whole milk, 1 chobani yogurt. Lame.

Training day 46: Benched up to a heavy paused triple then lots of shrugs and rows.

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[quote]incredulous wrote:
3 McD’s dbl cheeseburgers,[/quote]

Ha! I read that as 3 McD’s dbol cheeseburgers, if only

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[quote]lemony2j wrote:

[quote]incredulous wrote:
3 McD’s dbl cheeseburgers,[/quote]

Ha! I read that as 3 McD’s dbol cheeseburgers, if only
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Nice one. Yeah, they’ll bloat you up good. I put on the most quality weight that I probably ever will by eating those things with mayo and a few glasses of whole milk for lunch. People tend to accuse you of dbol use when you put 8lbs on in a week. Those were the days. The dbol cheeseburger should be everyone’s first bulking cycle.

diet day 47:
150g whey, 2 cups dry oats, coconut oil, banana, dark chocolate, 2 large cans tuna (66g protein according to the labels), 2 chobani yogurts, 1 croissant, 1lb bs chicken thighs, lots of spaghetti with butter.

Still eating like a bitch. My weight is actually dropping. Down to 206 again the last few days. I’m sure I’ve gained loads of lean tissue but I could be doing a lot more. I have to remind myself that life decided this was going to be a recomp, but Jesus titty fucking Christ if I don’t come out of this with at least 10lbs extra on the scale I need to find a nice tall building to jump off. I’m hungry.

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First injection with the new oil. Man, this stuff is sweet. If I’d started on this it would have ruined me for the old stuff. MUCH thinner. It must have taken 1/3 the time to draw and inject. Has me considering giving the slin pin another try.

Training day 48: 8 press reps @ 95-100%, 85%x5, then squatted 12 total reps @ 80%

Diet day 48: 175g whey, 75g waxy, 2 cups dry oats, peanut butter, coconut oil, 1lb chicken thighs, kale, apple, chobani, 1lb salmon, tortilla chips

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Brah, I dont think you are training really consistent with the cycle.

41: -
42: Squat 22reps (80-70%)
43: -
44: Press till single, 15 rep 85%, pullup 30, 40pullup w/ plate, 100 pushups.
45: Squat 40 reps
46. Bench, shrugs, rows
47: -

You could add more volume. Also you are lacking in hamstrings, (abs), forearms, (reardeltoids+rotatorcuff), calves. Also while on cycle bicep/tricep isolation work may work even better for you than usual.

If it’s possible for you, I would recommend doing deadlifts, incline benchpress(to get that upper chest visible), dips(tricep and lower chest), clean, cuban press(mainly for rotator cuff), reverse flys, calf and arm isolation you like.

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I spoke too soon about this new oil. Sure, it’s much nicer to draw and inject but the pip is much worse than the old stuff, a day or two later. It could be that I injected it too fast or any number of other factors but I’m pretty confident it’s the gear. As an experiment, I tried out a slin pin yesterday, putting 0.5cc in the tear-drop of my left quad, and the soreness is intense. I couldn’t have injected too fast through the 29g, and I’d be surprised if 0.5 ml was too much volume. The muscle belly is a little swollen and the soreness is not localized to the injection site but spread throughout the tear drop. I don’t think it’s infected. Again, probably just this new gear.

On a positive note, I dropped the dbol end of last week and feel great. Within two days my energy levels were up and my mood improved considerably. It seems like, without a calorie surplus, all the dbol was doing for me was hitting me with estrogenic sides. I’m now experiencing all the pleasant effects of testosterone that people talk about. I’m generally a pretty morose individual but I’ve been super happy and upbeat the last few days. Why do people take anti-depressants when test is so cheap (and awesome)?

If I do another cycle in the future it will probably be test only. More test, but test only.

Bodyweight is still coming off. Any clowns who think you just take steroids and grow are deceiving themselves. Maybe if you’re far off your “genetic potential” or you’re using much heavier doses than you should as a beginner but otherwise, realistically, you’ll still only grow as much as you eat. I’m only up about 6 lbs total scale weight at this point. That’s about 1lb/week. There is some definite recomp going on so it’s probably more muscle tissue than that but I definitely would have gained more bodyweight naturally if I stuck with a proper bulking diet.

diet day 49:
150g whey, 2 cups oats, banana, peanut butter, coconut oil, chobani, 2 large cans tuna, apple, chicken chili, 4 Bud heavys.

50:
100g whey, 1 cup dry oats, 2 bananas, peanut butter, coconut oil, 8oz whole milk, 1/2 chicken with yuca, 6 Heinekens, chobani, some chicken chili.

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Anyone else get lethargic on this dbol/test combo? It’s been a chore just getting out of bed and getting motivated to accomplish anything the last few days.[/quote]

Does this include motivation to work out? When on cycle I’m usually pretty lethargic to everything around me except females and weights

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It got better over time. A lot of it was just being stuffed all the time but dropping the d made a big difference. I love the gym. Lifting is my only hobby. That having been said, I’m rarely pumped to get in and lift. I didn’t have less motivation than normal but I was able to have ok sessions even if I weren’t interested.

I’m getting worried about this recent shot with the slin pin. Only .5ml but my shit is super sore. I’m going to miss a big squat workout tonight which is unacceptable. The area is slightly red and swollen, and again, much more painful than it’s been in the past. What’s odd is the swelling and pain are not localized at the injection site but a few inches away in the same muscle. It’s as if I massaged the bolus causing it to move. I didn’t massage the area as well as I usually do but I think I upheld the cleanliness. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

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sometimes our gains dont look like much on the scale but if you loose a few inches off the waist and still gain weight and get stronger… thats a big win! keep the big picture in mind and stay focused.

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Hey incredulous, I’ve had the same type of pain as you do. I think maybe the needle really wasent deep enough and some of the oil leaked out and went sub q.

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Thanks Buds, I had the same thought. I mean, between the skin, a small film of fat and fascia, the little 1/2" needle probably only made it 1/4" into the muscle, if that. The swelling seems to be in the muscle as it’s very firm and painful when I crouch down rather than pinching the skin. Supposed to pin again tonight but I want to make sure this clears up. If the gear is contaminated I don’t need to blast more of it.

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I think your good dude what your describing is the same exact thing that happened to me. After a few times it gets better.

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[quote]incredulous wrote:

Bodyweight is still coming off. Any clowns who think you just take steroids and grow are deceiving themselves. Maybe if you’re far off your “genetic potential” or you’re using much heavier doses than you should as a beginner but otherwise, realistically, you’ll still only grow as much as you eat. I’m only up about 6 lbs total scale weight at this point. That’s about 1lb/week. There is some definite recomp going on so it’s probably more muscle tissue than that but I definitely would have gained more bodyweight naturally if I stuck with a proper bulking diet.

diet day 49:
150g whey, 2 cups oats, banana, peanut butter, coconut oil, chobani, 2 large cans tuna, apple, chicken chili, 4 Bud heavys.

50:
100g whey, 1 cup dry oats, 2 bananas, peanut butter, coconut oil, 8oz whole milk, 1/2 chicken with yuca, 6 Heinekens, chobani, some chicken chili.[/quote]

I didn’t read the whole thread so I’m basing this off the above post. You’ve been on Test and Dbol for 6 weeks and only gained 6 lbs? That’s a real problem-especially given your diet which appears to be chock full of protein and calories. Recomp or not, on dbol you should gain a shitload of water-weight/weight. Sounds fake/very underdosed.

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The swelling and pain are more localized this morning. Three is zero pain within a few inches of the injection site but the pain when walking our crouching is worse today. Limping around. I need this shit to clear up so I can squat GODDAMMIT!!!

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[quote]Toby Queef wrote:

I didn’t read the whole thread so I’m basing this off the above post. You’ve been on Test and Dbol for 6 weeks and only gained 6 lbs? That’s a real problem-especially given your diet which appears to be chock full of protein and calories. Recomp or not, on dbol you should gain a shitload of water-weight/weight. Sounds fake/very underdosed.
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Yeah, I hope that’s the case. With the dbol, do you generally see a spike in your weight without adjusting calories up? I gained quite a bit of weight up front (close to 14lbs in a month, comparing a valley and peak) but my lady started complaining. I work a very active job and need to push 6000 kcal to gain weight, dropping back down to 4000 I just maintain. It used to take that much to hold 180 so I’m moving in the right direction but I had hoped to push and hold 220 for a while. Just too much food. And snoring. And apparently looking awesome (though not by my lady’s estimation).

The swelling and pain subsided pretty rapidly around lunch time today. I’ve been taking 800mg ibuprofen twice a day. I iced the spot last night which seems to have made it really tight this morning. I hobbled around quite a bit until my pills kicked in.

I took a chance and injected another 1ml/250mg tonight into the same side quad, though in my familiar location this time. Spent much more time massaging it then before and got super-anal about keeping it clean. For all my preparation though I forgot to aspirate. Oh well. My heart is still beating and there was some healthy resistance against the plunger.

Hit the gym for a bit on Monday but my leg was too fucked up to do much. I started feeling a cold coming on yesterday so I skipped it again, and again today. I may get in a light workout tomorrow and squat properly Friday. I need to try to remember what little food I’ve eaten the last few days.

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My leg feels much better today but some of the swelling and redness remains. The red color is still uniform, like I just took an ice pack off the area. The swelling is very firm but no longer painful to the touch. A lot of the muscle pain morphed into knee pain and then today, after some heavy stiff-legged deadlifts, there is a large pocket of fluid collected on the inside of my shin.

It looks like my sock was supporting it. Weird shit. It’s as if some fluid left my quad, hung out in my knee for a day, then bled out just under the skin. This new fluid pocket is not red or painful, just there. It’s very soft and subcutaneous. I don’t remember smacking it on anything but if this disappears overnight it may just be a little hematoma from the bar.

Trained three times this week. Each session was different from what I usually do, trained like a bodybuilder. Food this week was more of the same. 300-400g protein, around 300g carbs, lots of fats. Started adding a bit of whole milk back in the mix.

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[quote]incredulous wrote:

[quote]Toby Queef wrote:

I didn’t read the whole thread so I’m basing this off the above post. You’ve been on Test and Dbol for 6 weeks and only gained 6 lbs? That’s a real problem-especially given your diet which appears to be chock full of protein and calories. Recomp or not, on dbol you should gain a shitload of water-weight/weight. Sounds fake/very underdosed.
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Yeah, I hope that’s the case. With the dbol, do you generally see a spike in your weight without adjusting calories up? I gained quite a bit of weight up front (close to 14lbs in a month, comparing a valley and peak) but my lady started complaining. I work a very active job and need to push 6000 kcal to gain weight, dropping back down to 4000 I just maintain. It used to take that much to hold 180 so I’m moving in the right direction but I had hoped to push and hold 220 for a while. Just too much food. And snoring. And apparently looking awesome (though not by my lady’s estimation).

The swelling and pain subsided pretty rapidly around lunch time today. I’ve been taking 800mg ibuprofen twice a day. I iced the spot last night which seems to have made it really tight this morning. I hobbled around quite a bit until my pills kicked in.

I took a chance and injected another 1ml/250mg tonight into the same side quad, though in my familiar location this time. Spent much more time massaging it then before and got super-anal about keeping it clean. For all my preparation though I forgot to aspirate. Oh well. My heart is still beating and there was some healthy resistance against the plunger.

Hit the gym for a bit on Monday but my leg was too fucked up to do much. I started feeling a cold coming on yesterday so I skipped it again, and again today. I may get in a light workout tomorrow and squat properly Friday. I need to try to remember what little food I’ve eaten the last few days.[/quote]

I think you have bogus gear. I have legit dbol and test-e. I’m on my first cycle. 30mg dbol, 600mg test-e, 3500 cals/day and I’ve gained 11.5lbs in two weeks, mostly water I imagine. Now, I sit behind a desk all day, but at 6000 calories you should be packing it on without much trouble.

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[quote]I think you have bogus gear. I have legit dbol and test-e. I’m on my first cycle. 30mg dbol, 600mg test-e, 3500 cals/day and I’ve gained 11.5lbs in two weeks, mostly water I imagine. Now, I sit behind a desk all day, but at 6000 calories you should be packing it on without much trouble.
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I think everything is legit. I’ve gained nine pounds in a week before so your 11.5lbs in two weeks is small potatoes. Eat more. You’re on drugs after all. Given similar body proportions, I imagine that I probably burn at least 2x the calories of anyone with a desk job. Probably much, much more.

I think if anything was bunk, the test was underdosed. I know there’s test in there as my friend gained 15lbs in 12 weeks @ 600mg/week, test only, and trains oly lifting and cross-training. Not exactly hypertrophy friendly pursuits. However, since I’ve started in on this new T, I don’t know, I just feel like I’m surging with testosterone.

1.5ml/325mg in the right quad tonight. I’m adding in an extra .5ml on the first injection of the week to finish early. I have enough hcg prepared to get me through 12 weeks and some things are happening later this year that I want zero substances in my system for. 11 weeks is plenty.

No nsaids today. Leg felt good but the new swelling near my shins persists. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to find something to have sex with. This new test is treating me right.

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diet day 59:
150g whey, 2 cups berries, 2 bananas, 4 Tbsp coconut oil, 12" Subway big philly steak w/ mayo, 2 chobani yogurts, 1.25lb sirloin, brocolli, 1+ qt whole milk

Training day 59: squatted six triples at 80%. Went home.

I haven’t squatted in ten days so I just felt things out. Yesterday, I hit a bunch of heavy dumbbell bench and lots of light weight curls, face pulls and straight-arm push-downs.

I think it’s likely that I hit a lymphatic vessel in my vast last weekend. That shit was painful and really only cleared up enough to walk straight a week later. Still some slight, firm swelling.

I’m taking these last few weeks and kicking the calories back up. Not going as hard as I did initially but I’ve been holding 204 for a few weeks, no loss in strength coming off the dbol, and would like to have and hold onto ~208. That would make ten pounds. Neck is up close to 18" and the thighs are holding at 28". Pushing for another 0.5-1.0" on each.