I had to skip through half of the thread, some of the bitching was just ridiculous.
I’ve been trying to see this movie for weeks and only tonight did I manage to get people to go with me, I’ve been avoiding ALL talk of this movie until now.
SPOLER ALERT
About 10 mins in I thought ‘If there’s a twist at the end of this movie and it all turns out to be a dream then I’ll be pissed’. Now, as it happens, I do think it was all a dream, but I’m not annoyed in the least.
I’m an optimist. I believed he had got out of his dreams and back to his kids. In any of the ‘dream’ sequences in the movie the totum never wavered, but it certainly did so at the end. I would have liked to have seen it drop to leave us with a happy ending but it was still an incredible ending.
The chud.com link has made me realise why it was all a dream, and I’m totally ok with it.
But seriously, as much as I love film(And I really do), some of you guys do need to realise that movies are just that, movies. Nothing is perfect so so yer bellyaching and go and watch a movie that you do enjoy.
I have a few statements/questions concerning whether or not Cobb is actually in the real world as he claims he is and believes himself to be.
-Cobb would only wear his wedding ring in known dream sequences, when he was in ‘reality’ he would never wear it
-If Mal and Cobb truly were in another dream state and not reality, SPOILER ALERT, when she jumped, wouldn’t she awake unharmed and give Cobb the kick required to awaken him to be with her once again? In my mind, this proves he truly is in reality
-A quick thing I noticed, when Cobb is running from the goons in Mumbasa, one of them apprehends him and says ‘You aren’t dreaming anymore’, If he were in a dream state, and the security goons were subconscious projections, they would never EVER discuss the concept of dreaming or make such a statement as it would essentially assure their enemy that he is infact dreaming and has nothing to lose
[quote]Mackk wrote:
I have a few statements/questions concerning whether or not Cobb is actually in the real world as he claims he is and believes himself to be.
-If Mal and Cobb truly were in another dream state and not reality, SPOILER ALERT, when she jumped, wouldn’t she awake unharmed and give Cobb the kick required to awaken him to be with her once again? In my mind, this proves he truly is in reality
When you are that far under a kick will not wake you up. That is why Cobb had to search for Saito and Fischer.
-A quick thing I noticed, when Cobb is running from the goons in Mumbasa, one of them apprehends him and says ‘You aren’t dreaming anymore’, If he were in a dream state, and the security goons were subconscious projections, they would never EVER discuss the concept of dreaming or make such a statement as it would essentially assure their enemy that he is infact dreaming and has nothing to lose[/quote] They discuss dreaming in the entire movie which we aren’t 100 percent is all reality so I don’t understand why you think this would be a big deal.
I saw this movie a second time, I pretty much got everything in my first viewing, the only thing I can say is I noticed Cobb’s totem more. The only time the totem doesn’t fall other than potentially the end is the bathroom scene with Saito.
I think you can try make all the sense out of Inception you want but that isn’t the point. That dream stuff is all kind of goofy It’s a fictional theory just like time travel in the numerous movies about time travel as in Back to the Future. We love it because it’s intriguing and something new. I don’t think the script itself could have gone anywhere without the incredible directing, acting and ultimately production (budget). It was a story incredibly told.
I think the lingering message at the end is that reality is what we perceive it to be. The totem at the end shows that it doesn’t matter if Cobb is in a dream or not.
Hans Zimmer’s score also aided in blowing the audiences mind.[/quote]
The score and audio is probably what I’ll remember the most about this film. That music at the end and that bass that plays frequently throughout the movie. Talk about climactic.
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
I had to skip through half of the thread, some of the bitching was just ridiculous.
I’ve been trying to see this movie for weeks and only tonight did I manage to get people to go with me, I’ve been avoiding ALL talk of this movie until now.
SPOLER ALERT
About 10 mins in I thought ‘If there’s a twist at the end of this movie and it all turns out to be a dream then I’ll be pissed’. Now, as it happens, I do think it was all a dream, but I’m not annoyed in the least.
I’m an optimist. I believed he had got out of his dreams and back to his kids. In any of the ‘dream’ sequences in the movie the totum never wavered, but it certainly did so at the end. I would have liked to have seen it drop to leave us with a happy ending but it was still an incredible ending.
The chud.com link has made me realise why it was all a dream, and I’m totally ok with it.
But seriously, as much as I love film(And I really do), some of you guys do need to realise that movies are just that, movies. Nothing is perfect so so yer bellyaching and go and watch a movie that you do enjoy.[/quote]
I agree, watched the movie and it was great…felt like I understood everything. I read the chud link and still am not 100% convinced it was all a dream…there were a couple of scenes that solidified the fact to me that there is a reality in the movie…asides from that though everyone will interpret it differently…again I’d like to think that they reached reality once again, and he got to see his kids.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
I think the lingering message at the end is that reality is what we perceive it to be. The totem at the end shows that it doesn’t matter if Cobb is in a dream or not.
While the Matrix was a superb film, it had the stench of “Franchise” all over it. Inception, to me, sits soundly on itself as a complete story.
And I don’t really see how the two movies can be compared to each other. Inception is a hiest movie, while the Matrix was more of a escape/war(ish) movie. More akin to Terminator, humans vs. the Machines, etc.
While the Matrix was a superb film, it had the stench of “Franchise” all over it. Inception, to me, sits soundly on itself as a complete story.
And I don’t really see how the two movies can be compared to each other. Inception is a hiest movie, while the Matrix was more of a escape/war(ish) movie. More akin to Terminator, humans vs. the Machines, etc.
I say Inception wins.
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I must disagree with this. Now the 2nd&3rd movie you are 100% coreect. However the first movie ended. It had an ending just like Inception. The 2 movies should stand on there own. I do not think its fair to compare the two for the reasons you gave above. Even though I did think of matrix thru the inception movie.
While the Matrix was a superb film, it had the stench of “Franchise” all over it. Inception, to me, sits soundly on itself as a complete story.
And I don’t really see how the two movies can be compared to each other. Inception is a hiest movie, while the Matrix was more of a escape/war(ish) movie. More akin to Terminator, humans vs. the Machines, etc.
I say Inception wins.
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I must disagree with this. Now the 2nd&3rd movie you are 100% coreect. However the first movie ended. It had an ending just like Inception. The 2 movies should stand on there own. I do not think its fair to compare the two for the reasons you gave above. Even though I did think of matrix thru the inception movie.[/quote]
Yeah, we aren’t going to agree on that one good buddy. Neo was in the phone booth saying some “I’m goona come n getchoo” type shit then credits with Rage Against the Machine. I knew from there that a sequel was coming and that Matrix was part one of a series.
I thought of Matrix a couple times during Inception as well, but I think it was in relation to the cut-aways to the characters being unconscious (dreaming), usually in the midst of some major action. A device that both movies utilized. Was that your experience as well?
^I did get that feeling and did not realize that is what made me have Matrix flashes. Not whole thought just a Nod and go hmmm then back to the movie. Inception was a excelent movie. However I think the Top not falling is more of a Sequel add in than the ending of Matix…which yes I have to add
[quote]Mackk wrote:
I have a few statements/questions concerning whether or not Cobb is actually in the real world as he claims he is and believes himself to be.
-If Mal and Cobb truly were in another dream state and not reality, SPOILER ALERT, when she jumped, wouldn’t she awake unharmed and give Cobb the kick required to awaken him to be with her once again? In my mind, this proves he truly is in reality
When you are that far under a kick will not wake you up. That is why Cobb had to search for Saito and Fischer.
-A quick thing I noticed, when Cobb is running from the goons in Mumbasa, one of them apprehends him and says ‘You aren’t dreaming anymore’, If he were in a dream state, and the security goons were subconscious projections, they would never EVER discuss the concept of dreaming or make such a statement as it would essentially assure their enemy that he is infact dreaming and has nothing to lose[/quote] They discuss dreaming in the entire movie which we aren’t 100 percent is all reality so I don’t understand why you think this would be a big deal.
I saw this movie a second time, I pretty much got everything in my first viewing, the only thing I can say is I noticed Cobb’s totem more. The only time the totem doesn’t fall other than potentially the end is the bathroom scene with Saito. [/quote]
I’m saying that the projections wouldn’t have suggested any topic concerning dreaming to a suspected intruder
While the Matrix was a superb film, it had the stench of “Franchise” all over it. Inception, to me, sits soundly on itself as a complete story.
And I don’t really see how the two movies can be compared to each other. Inception is a hiest movie, while the Matrix was more of a escape/war(ish) movie. More akin to Terminator, humans vs. the Machines, etc.
I say Inception wins.
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I must disagree with this. Now the 2nd&3rd movie you are 100% coreect. However the first movie ended. It had an ending just like Inception. The 2 movies should stand on there own. I do not think its fair to compare the two for the reasons you gave above. Even though I did think of matrix thru the inception movie.[/quote]
Yeah, we aren’t going to agree on that one good buddy. Neo was in the phone booth saying some “I’m goona come n getchoo” type shit then credits with Rage Against the Machine. I knew from there that a sequel was coming and that Matrix was part one of a series.
I thought of Matrix a couple times during Inception as well, but I think it was in relation to the cut-aways to the characters being unconscious (dreaming), usually in the midst of some major action. A device that both movies utilized. Was that your experience as well?
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You know, the first Matrix is a truly amazing film. From concept to execution it is insanely good. Inception [to me] felt overly complicated, like it was trying too hard. It’s not that I didn’t like it necessarily, it just felt somewhat jammed together in spots. I’m going Matrix all the way.
That movie wasnt a mind fuck…it was a Mind Orgy…im sitting here at home spinnin shit now. It didnt help that on the way home a trance song came on saying “Wake up, wake up.” Makes me wonder if im still in my Coma…haha…ehh…
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
That movie wasnt a mind fuck…it was a Mind Orgy…im sitting here at home spinnin shit now. It didnt help that on the way home a trance song came on saying “Wake up, wake up.” Makes me wonder if im still in my Coma…haha…ehh…[/quote]
That was me in the backseat of your car. I just wanted to make sure we didn’t crash. It was late.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
That movie wasnt a mind fuck…it was a Mind Orgy…im sitting here at home spinnin shit now. It didnt help that on the way home a trance song came on saying “Wake up, wake up.” Makes me wonder if im still in my Coma…haha…ehh…[/quote]
That was me in the backseat of your car. I just wanted to make sure we didn’t crash. It was late.