[quote]J-- wrote:
Wow thats a lot lol.
I am 5’10" 157lbs
Chins BW+50x5
Dead 315x1
Press 140x1
All right so you guys aren’t fans of weight lifting, but what about weighted clothing? They make heavy hands/feet/vest, could I incorporate those into my training for sprints and sandbag?[/quote]
Nice triple post, LOL. Those are some nice numbers. Weighted vests are great for a number of different exercises, so yeah, use it if you have it.
[quote]realpeanutbutter wrote:
Running around with a sledge gets you some funny looks.
-chris[/quote]
I could see myself running to the school with the sledge and having the cops show up due to a neighbor reporting a bald guy running around with his shirt off carrying a sledgehammer.
Good idea finishing off with the tabata slams; thats a great way to finish off a nasty workout - sometimes run back home a do a tabata on the heavy bag - sometimes
[quote]XXman wrote:
realpeanutbutter wrote:
Running around with a sledge gets you some funny looks.
-chris
I could see myself running to the school with the sledge and having the cops show up due to a neighbor reporting a bald guy running around with his shirt off carrying a sledgehammer.
Good idea finishing off with the tabata slams; thats a great way to finish off a nasty workout - sometimes run back home a do a tabata on the heavy bag - sometimes[/quote]
Alternatively you can bring a sand/rice/ gravel bag and slam it against the ground for tabatas.
-chris
[quote]realpeanutbutter wrote:
Alternatively you can bring a sand/rice/ gravel bag and slam it against the ground for tabatas.
-chris[/quote]
Yeah I made my own D-ball for slamming, here’s a link to get the instructions for anyone who wants to make one:
mikesgym.org/articles/uploads
/EbookMedBall1THESLAMMER.pdf
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Axel wrote:
2. It’s not arbitrary or unrealistic.
I will explain once why this # is stupid. Hopefully you get why.
If I were building an MMA robot, I would give it inhuman strength and power. Strength and power matter. No debate.
The problem is you don’t get to build a robot from scratch. You have a human being who has finite time. In this time he has to develop strength, endurance, and most importantly, technique.
To get a 2.5x BW deadlift, you have to devote scarce time to lifting and recovery. So if someone can somehow optimize his technique while getting a 2.5 x BW deadlift, great. Really. But it’s unlikely that the time would not be better be spent training technique. There is not single expert (no, not one) who claims otherwise.
So there is a likely a very good reason few (if any) champion mixed martial artists put up big numbers.
I’m not sure why guys like you make shit up instead of focusing on what winners do. I guess you know better than everyone else, 'eh?[/quote]
Why not be nicer, C-Law? If you’re not your parents might stop paying your internet bill and your paper-route money will only go so far.
My feeling is that lifts like a 2.5 bodyweight dead are well within reach of an average person also training MMA. Of course, the heavier you get, the less likely this is to be the case. But is it really unreasonable for a 160 pounder to have a 400 lb. dead?
Of course it varies fighter to fighter. A 2.5 bodyweight dead would, I assume, be nothing to a Sean Sherk or a Rampage Jackson. Maybe,say, Anderson Silva doesn’t do them (but I’m guessing he does) yet he’s an extraordinary fighter.
I’m out after this, C-Law, say all the “naughty” words you want. I’m not getting into “flaming” with a “Troll”.
[quote]Man O’ War wrote:
SeanT wrote:
Why not do the MMA workouts by chad? Hammer Down.
I think a good MMA article would work a treat at T-Nation. Chad’s was excellent but it wasn’t something you could base your weekly training around.
MMA is tough to train for. It’s pretty much the triathlon of Martial Arts. You have to train your stand up, your grappling and etc. Then you are supposed to throw some strength and conditioning into the mix.
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Why do you say Chad’s article wasn’t something you could base your weekly training around? I am not following you.
[quote]sabarr wrote:
Why do you say Chad’s article wasn’t something you could base your weekly training around? I am not following you.
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It could be if endurance was your #1 goal as a fighter. It’s a good program and it is right on the money for improving a fighter’s endurance, but I would think that MA athletes would not base their training around endurance for all of the year.
I was reading on Iron Mike Zambidis? website that if he has 2 months to a fight he will train strength predominantly for the first month and move to higher reps stuff such as Chad?s article for the second month.
I probably should have rephrased what I said as you could definitely base your training around Chad?s program in various stages of the year.
As he states in the article, a fighter must have Maximal strength, endurance and mobility. There would be points in an MMA Athletes yearly schedule where strength would be the primary goal and would need to look at something other than the above mentioned program.
[quote]Man O’ War wrote:
sabarr wrote:
Why do you say Chad’s article wasn’t something you could base your weekly training around? I am not following you.
It could be if endurance was your #1 goal as a fighter. It’s a good program and it is right on the money for improving a fighter’s endurance, but I would think that MA athletes would not base their training around endurance for all of the year.
I was reading on Iron Mike Zambidis? website that if he has 2 months to a fight he will train strength predominantly for the first month and move to higher reps stuff such as Chad?s article for the second month.
I probably should have rephrased what I said as you could definitely base your training around Chad?s program in various stages of the year.
As he states in the article, a fighter must have Maximal strength, endurance and mobility. There would be points in an MMA Athletes yearly schedule where strength would be the primary goal and would need to look at something other than the above mentioned program.
[/quote]
Do you think the hammer down program as a whole is poor at building strength or just the Hammer down endurance alone. In other words, what if a fighter were to use Hammer down strength and hammer down endurance together as Chad suggest? I am asking because I was going to start the program as a way to build strength and endurance.
[quote]sabarr wrote:
Man O’ War wrote:
sabarr wrote:
Why do you say Chad’s article wasn’t something you could base your weekly training around? I am not following you.
It could be if endurance was your #1 goal as a fighter. It’s a good program and it is right on the money for improving a fighter’s endurance, but I would think that MA athletes would not base their training around endurance for all of the year.
I was reading on Iron Mike Zambidis? website that if he has 2 months to a fight he will train strength predominantly for the first month and move to higher reps stuff such as Chad?s article for the second month.
I probably should have rephrased what I said as you could definitely base your training around Chad?s program in various stages of the year.
As he states in the article, a fighter must have Maximal strength, endurance and mobility. There would be points in an MMA Athletes yearly schedule where strength would be the primary goal and would need to look at something other than the above mentioned program.
Do you think the hammer down program as a whole is poor at building strength or just the Hammer down endurance alone. In other words, what if a fighter were to use Hammer down strength and hammer down endurance together as Chad suggest? I am asking because I was going to start the program as a way to build strength and endurance. [/quote]
I’ve used the HD program and it worked well for me in both areas. I will say that for long-term, you’ll want to change up the endurance workouts (do Tabatas, sprints, sled dragging) b/c they do tend to lose their effectiveness, IMO, after a couple months.
I like the way the strength program is set up. I used the max. holds for a while but now am still following some of the HD: Strength protocols, but not 100%