In Defense of Training to FAILURE

[Old-Bodycoach2]

So, tell me about when you went through cancer treatment, and your training through it.
If I can improve, I absolutely will.
Tell me, PLEASE!

[OTay]

It is the first thread in the Bigger, Stronger, Leaner forum.

@fitafter40

so, who is the delusional one

You don’t know what delusional means.

[T3hPwnisher]

What variant of cancer are you currently recovering from? I know there is some details in Kroczaleski’s training log as it pertains to testicular cancer recovery, and we also have this one

Powerlifter's Cancer Recovery

Can a powerlifter that is on the better side of middle age, lose most of his strength because of chemotherapy and get it back? I don’t know. I am going to try and log my efforts here. I was a bicyclist that started lifting at age 40. I did my 1st meet at age 45. Now I am 55 Since then, I have competed in the USAPL and AAPF as a raw lifter in the 308 and SHW. My best competition lifts are. Squat 507 Bench 352 Deadlift 584 After 7 weeks of radiation and chemo that ended Jan 10th. I waited anot…

[OTay]

Then show a before. Show some pictures of your clients.

Who are you to be holding a bad Socratic seminar in multiple threads?

[fitafter40]

You suffer from DDS

[Old-Bodycoach2]

I appreciate the link
I’m on ‘Continuous Treatment Protocol’ for Stage Three, Metastatic Prostate Cancer. I’ll be in treatment until my ‘last day’.
I’m currently on ADT (Androgen Deprivation Therapy), and MUST do strength training. I also do Zone 2 ‘cardio’ for lactate turnover (look up: Prostate Cancer and Lactate), and once a week hard intervals to stimulate my heart valves, to prevent valve atrophy from ADT.

[T3hPwnisher]

I haven’t experienced cancer/cancer recovery, but a training method that could work with those parameters is @Dan_John 's Easy Strength protocol. Strength training can be done 2, 3 or 5 days per week, and the program is very much set up for Zone 2 cardio as a follow on (his “Easy Strength for Fat Loss” protocol especially so) with plenty of allotment for a hard interval workout weekly.

He’s released 2 really solid e-books on the subject, and has a free seminar here

Easy Strength for Fat Loss | Dan John Workshop

[T3hPwnisher]

@diewaiting

Yes, there are details and technique and programming in exercise, but it ain’t rocket science.

Yup!

“7 hour dip workouts and meatloaf sandwiches with mayo between sets get you a 600lb raw bench press”

“If you eat enough to get up to 400lbs bodyweight, you’ll get really strong, and then, if you don’t eat so much after that, you’ll be jacked.”

“Squatting in a hole and drinking milk and honey between sets can get you a gold medal and shatter world records”

“Who do you think taught Paul to squat in the hole? And deadlifted 700lbs at 181lbs bodyweight”

Examples abound. We’ve been getting big and strong for SO long using such “primitive” methods like eating a lot of good food and trying real hard.

[Old-Bodycoach2]

So, you think we achieve the pinnacle of Exercise knowledge and research? No need to improve or move forward?

[T3hPwnisher]

Is that genuinely what you feel I am expressing?

[T3hPwnisher]

@Old-Bodycoach2

Your post seems to say, “We already know everything we need.”

Does saying “we already know everything we need” mean what you originally stated: “we achieve the pinnacle of Exercise knowledge and research?”

[FlatsFarmer]

What kind of new machines are you imagining?

“Ultra-targeted” machines with great paths of motion that help lifters isolate and train muscles without any lifting skill involved? Like Arthur Jones stuff?

Or strange resistances, different than gravity, like fly-wheels and iso-kinetic stuff?

[TrainForPain]

@Old-Bodycoach2 sir, with sincere respect and empathy for how you’re tackling your health concerns, you seem to be trying to have your argument both (really three) ways:

First, you start with (what I would describe as annoying) a Socratic lecture around everything boils down to simply flexing muscle fibers against skeletal lever arms.

When asked for demonstrable results, on yourself or clients, you give the “you’re not me”. I don’t say this disrespectfully, we all do that sometimes - I’m personally fat and weak right now and give myself tons of excuses.

Then, when someone else says, “yeah, it really is that simple” (but not your preferred simple), you have a concern that there’s still plenty to learn and we’re settling a bit early.

It feels circular and pedantic enough I’d expect to see it an academic paper. Are you, by chance, an educator?

This really came off snarkier than I intended; I really am just trying to level set where the debate disconnect will likely continue to be.

[believer423]

@T3hPwnisher legitimate question: how would squatting in a hole be of benefit?

[T3hPwnisher]

@believer423

legitimate question: how would squatting in a hole be of benefit?

Legit answer: he was using Bob Peoples range of motion progression training. He dug a hole, squatted in it with those oil drums, and then, after a few sessions, would fill some of the hole with dirt to increase the ROM of the squat while keeping the weight the same. He’d continue this process until he was eventually squatting the full ROM.

Bob Peoples originally employed this method with the deadlift to great success. I’ve employed a similar approach by using rubber patio pavers underneathe the plates of the deadlift and removing a paver each week. In fact, I’m STILL using that method, haha.

[believer423]

@T3hPwnisher, I wanted a distinction between the plethora of troll posts and my genuine question.

[T3hPwnisher]

I wanted to provide you an answer TO that question.

[simon_hecubus]

THAT’S the story of Hole Squatting. T3P did not shine you on.

[believer423]

@simon_hecubus
I understand. I was being sincere.