[quote]sid132 wrote:
legs always hurt because the quads are largest muscle on the body. just think of it cos u walk on ur legs after u train them, just like if u walked on ur hands after training arms u would fail miserably.
and ive done barbell benches for a while like you have said but i find it seems to devlop outer pecs an the inner pecs are left thin, so i switched to db presses an the inner pecs seem to be thickening up nicely, not to mention on incline presses my shoulders feel alot more comfatble[/quote]
Who’s making it a problem? I simply have added my 2 cents. You / everyone else has the option of taking it or leaving it you obviously have left it so why are you still typing rebutals of my post. I stated I have a Powerlifting lean on my opinion because It’s worked out well for me. [/quote]
Because you are giving advice to beginners here, and they could easily not understand what’s wrong with your advice.
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Yes the barbell benchpress isn’t the BEST PEC developerbut it has its place. The guy says he didn’t “feel it” so to me that was a form issue. Would you not agree?[/quote]
So your solution to him not “feeling it” is to modify the exercise such that the pecs are removed as much as possible? Makes sense…
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
How have you been progressing? How much of a beginner are you? If you’ve been working out a while and primarily focused on upper body your chest is not going to get as sore anymore, doesn’t mean it’s not growing. Legs tend to get the most sore, I don’t know why but thats just how it is.
Any time you are trying to make your chest grow, I think some sort of flye should be in your routine. Whether you use it for a pre-fatigue, or alone.
You should definitely do a heavy barbell bench, the bodybuilding way is a little more stress on the shoulder so when going real heavy you may want to get closer to the pl method to be on the safe side.
Add more sets of bench/ whether it is dumbell or barbell and go up in weight and reps every week.
When you hit the bottom of your sets pause think about the chest muscle and concentrate on squeezing them to move the weight up. Try to do it explosively, if it goes up too fast, next workout go up in weight.[/quote]
I had been doing pretty lame attempts at working out for the last few months now, but I had no idea what I was doing diet-wise or had any sort of plan. I would say I have been training a muscle group a day for about 2 weeks now (working opposing muscles and taking adequate rest days).
I have never maxed out since I have no spotter, but I’ve added around 5-8lbs to my bench since I’ve start, which seems to line up with newbie gains.
I did dead-lifts yesterday and didn’t really get that sore at all which I’m surprised at…I may have to purchase some gloves though, as my bar gave my hands blisters from lifting.
When you guy’s are doing dumbbell press’s, do you use the solid dumbbells or the one’s where you can adjust the weight?
Who’s making it a problem? I simply have added my 2 cents. You / everyone else has the option of taking it or leaving it you obviously have left it so why are you still typing rebutals of my post. I stated I have a Powerlifting lean on my opinion because It’s worked out well for me.
Because you are giving advice to beginners here, and they could easily not understand what’s wrong with your advice.
I get you now, I didn’t think of that kid of thing.
Yes the barbell benchpress isn’t the BEST PEC developerbut it has its place. The guy says he didn’t “feel it” so to me that was a form issue. Would you not agree?
So your solution to him not “feeling it” is to modify the exercise such that the pecs are removed as much as possible? Makes sense…
dude said his bar has no marking on it. I was thinking that he was possible doing a close grip bench contributing to his not feeling it. Your right I’ll STFU now…
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
sid132 wrote:
well i found barbell presses made the pecs thicker on the outer parts an dumbells seem to thicken it up all over.
Muscle fibers run from one side to the other. Either the fiber contracts, or it doesn’t.
I don’t see how it could be physiologically possible.[/quote]
im sure you know your stuff better then i do but if that is the case how does the stuff where people recommend wide grip benches for outer chest an close grip benches for inner chest?
[quote]sid132 wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
sid132 wrote:
well i found barbell presses made the pecs thicker on the outer parts an dumbells seem to thicken it up all over.
Muscle fibers run from one side to the other. Either the fiber contracts, or it doesn’t.
I don’t see how it could be physiologically possible.
im sure you know your stuff better then i do but if that is the case how does the stuff where people recommend wide grip benches for outer chest an close grip benches for inner chest?
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[quote]DougLance wrote:
Check out this video, it might be exactly what you’re looking for:
If you follow this guys advice will your hair end up looking like that and moving your hands around a lot when you talk?
But seriously…Just lift lots of weight and eat lots of food. You say you have been doing a full body spit for 2 weeks and are worried about gains already???
Give it time. My mistake was wanting to see gains right away and when I wasn’t satisfied I moved to new things. I didn’t give anything enough time to give me good gains. I didn’t eat enough and I was too worried about dropping body fat to get the gains I wanted.
Just keep doing the program you are doing for another few weeks, adding more weight each week, as long as you don’t lose form…Then move on to a new program, maybe just change up the excercise, or the sets and reps or the order you do the excercises. But then keep on that program for at least 4 weeks.
Just eat lots of good foods and lift lots of weights. I am not going to try to tell you what excercises to do because I don’t have the experience needed and I am not you. Use what works for you, but you won’t know what works unless you give it time.
You want to feel the muscle being worked then contract it when lifting. With the bench reach for the ceiling and flex your pecs. With the flyes hug a big huge tree and contract the pecs when you hug…the flyes are your isolation excercise…concentrate on feeling your chest working.
you can go flat, incline, decline. do what feels good to you. You are a beginner and will see results if you give it a chance. Good luck and just keep keeping on.
Thank’s Jarc- And as to the worried about gains, I’m just worried because I’ve been reading around and a lot of people really fuck up there training because they believe their gains will come in time, but never do. I just want to make sure I have as much info as possible.
@Sid- Whats with the hijack! Lol.
But from what I’ve gathered barbell bench is more of a compound movement that doesn’t specifically target the pecs, but a larger group of muscles whereas a dumbbell press/flys will target the pecs more then anywhere else.
Am I on the right track?
now even im getting confused? what hijack?
think il stick to just reading an learning then trying give advice lol [/quote]
Eh, must have been bad reading comprehension on my part. For some reason I had thought you were starting another topic asking about barbell vs dumbbell…Dunno. Feel free to keep contributing though, that was my bad attempt at humor I suppose xD
ha ha barbell vs dumbell now that would be fun but easy answer, db is more range of motion, barbell is more weight, combination of both is best id guess. im fairly new to all this stuff only been lifting 6 month or so so i just learn what i can an crack on xD
ha no barbell vs dumbell is easy, dumbell more range of motion, barbell heavyer weight. im fairly new to all this only been lifting about 6 month so i try to just learn what i can an crack on, sharing what ive learned to along the way xD
Do a few sets of 15 on an exercise that isolates the chest (cross-overs, flyes, or even bench). Use very light weight. Enough that you get a good chest pump, but don’t get really fatigued. Do this on your off days, and keep doing your regular workouts.
The increased stimulation may not have a huge effect, but the increased blood flow very well might. Try it for a month and let me know what happens.
NOTE: If you need to take a day off, TAKE A DAY OFF. Watch for indicators of overtraining, and adjust accordingly.[/quote]
A bit off topic - does this also work with other body parts, biceps or delts? If so, I might have to start going more often…
[quote]blue_star_cadet wrote:
Aleksandr wrote:
Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness.
Want to see some hilarious chest growth?
Do a few sets of 15 on an exercise that isolates the chest (cross-overs, flyes, or even bench). Use very light weight. Enough that you get a good chest pump, but don’t get really fatigued. Do this on your off days, and keep doing your regular workouts.
The increased stimulation may not have a huge effect, but the increased blood flow very well might. Try it for a month and let me know what happens.
NOTE: If you need to take a day off, TAKE A DAY OFF. Watch for indicators of overtraining, and adjust accordingly.
A bit off topic - does this also work with other body parts, biceps or delts? If so, I might have to start going more often…[/quote]
yep.
On smaller muscle groups, you can do more than one at a time. If you are going to do biceps, do triceps, too.
I would strongly recommend not doing anterior delt, though. Unless you hate having healthy shoulders, that is.
[quote]sid132 wrote:
ha no barbell vs dumbell is easy, dumbell more range of motion, barbell heavyer weight. im fairly new to all this only been lifting about 6 month so i try to just learn what i can an crack on, sharing what ive learned to along the way xD[/quote]