[quote]chirag wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Aravind wrote:
Is it better for me to do an unclean bulk and worry about the fatloss later? For that matter is it healthy?
Your question implies that you didn’t understand what was written. No one has recommended an “unclean bulk”. this is not an “either or” situation. This isn’t about eating junk OR eating clean. It is about understanding that everyone can’t make solid gains consistently while ONLY eating what most eat when dieting.
If I eat eggs for breakfast, a protein shake two hours later, rice and beef for lunch, another protein shake two hours later and then stop off for a hamburger on the way home…has this been an “unclean bulk”?
That was a very good point.
About how many “cheat/unclean” meals do you recommend per day/week for underweight individuals looking to gain muscle mass??
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That would depend on the individual and their goals. I know my goal at this point is to basically maintain my body weight until I start dieting in a little over a month. I also know that it still takes a lot of calories just for me to do that. I couldn’t eat like many recommend on this site and maintain my current body weight without quitting my job and spending my entire day eating every hour and a half.
Obviously, if you are the type who needs upwards of 4-5,000cals a day, trying to eat the equivilent of 20 chicken breasts a day to do it just isn’t logical.
Likewise, if you can actually gain by eating cleaner, then do so.
Mr Bear > But if you are looking to really put on some pounds, and you are dedicated to dieting down, then why not eat some value meals and pizza along the way.<
Why waste calories?
Eat clean as much as possible no way eat empty calories.
If you fill your gas tank with water its full but would it do it any good?
Good food = good weight gain
Bad food = fat = bad weight gain.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I couldn’t eat like many recommend on this site and maintain my current body weight without quitting my job and spending my entire day eating every hour and a half.
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LOL. You mean you are literally “forced” to eat calorie-dense foods (ie. burguers, pizza,…) to meet your daily caloric requirements??
Had you gone for the clean eating approach, you would have to fix yourself a meal every 1.5 hours to maintain your current bodyweight??
Is that it?? I guess it gets tougher the more time you are in the iron game.
I could get away and add more weight by adding one daily whopper burguer to my current diet.
[quote]welshman wrote:
Good food = good weight gain
Bad food = fat = bad weight gain.
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This issue has always puzzled me. I believe a gram of protein is a gram of protein, whether you get it from a strip of bacon or a slice of pork loin.
Or are you worried about the fat that goes with the bacon?? Instead of ruling out high saturated fat foods, you could also balance them out by eating the other good fats from olives or fish.
Am I missing something here??
Like Professor said, I find it tough, wait, IMPOSSIBLE, to get all my calories from just boiled chicken breasts and broccoli.
[quote]welshman wrote:
Mr Bear > But if you are looking to really put on some pounds, and you are dedicated to dieting down, then why not eat some value meals and pizza along the way.<
Why waste calories?
Eat clean as much as possible no way eat empty calories.
If you fill your gas tank with water its full but would it do it any good?
Good food = good weight gain
Bad food = fat = bad weight gain.
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Waste calories? If I need 5,000cals a day to gain weight, how is a hamburger wasting calories? If the majority of my dietd is baased on a clear understanding of nutrition, how is a pizza on Friday wasting calories when I am gaining? You make it seem as if someone is ONLY going to gain lean body mass as they move up in weight. I hate to break it to you, but unless someone is gaining VERY slowly, this is highly unlikely.
[quote]chirag wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I couldn’t eat like many recommend on this site and maintain my current body weight without quitting my job and spending my entire day eating every hour and a half.
LOL. You mean you are literally “forced” to eat calorie-dense foods (ie. burguers, pizza,…) to meet your daily caloric requirements??
Had you gone for the clean eating approach, you would have to fix yourself a meal every 1.5 hours to maintain your current bodyweight??
Is that it?? I guess it gets tougher the more time you are in the iron game.
I could get away and add more weight by adding one daily whopper burguer to my current diet.
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In your case it comes down to your current metabolism and how your body responds to food. You were extremely underweight. Even though you have made very good progress, you still are. You building the majority of your diet around “clean” sources and having the occasional hamburger is not bad. I truly don’t understand anyone who would tell you otherwise. You still have a way to go.
Gotta go with the Prof. on this one. I can’t see why any growing teenager should be restricting the intake of any whole food. Just about every teen I know is on 1% or skim milk, low-fat this and no-fat that and then they can’t understand why the aren’t making any gains in strength or LBM and their
BF keeps INCREASING. Surprise???
[quote]Professor X wrote:
welshman wrote:
Mr Bear > But if you are looking to really put on some pounds, and you are dedicated to dieting down, then why not eat some value meals and pizza along the way.<
Why waste calories?
Eat clean as much as possible no way eat empty calories.
If you fill your gas tank with water its full but would it do it any good?
Good food = good weight gain
Bad food = fat = bad weight gain.
Waste calories? If I need 5,000cals a day to gain weight, how is a hamburger wasting calories? If the majority of my dietd is baased on a clear understanding of nutrition, how is a pizza on Friday wasting calories when I am gaining? You make it seem as if someone is ONLY going to gain lean body mass as they move up in weight. I hate to break it to you, but unless someone is gaining VERY slowly, this is highly unlikely.
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Wow 5000 cals to maintain weight!
chow down dude.
My intention was to say eat clean foods. 90% of the time eat good 10% eat what you want example 6 meals per day = 42 meals per week 38 good meals 4 eat what you want is ok.
pizza burgers fries or whatever to boost calories are empty or contain very little nutrition. like the water in the gas tank analogy. high calories in these foods are from fats, mixed with carbs why not get the fats from good source’s flax seed oils fish oils olive oils and give the body a benifit for the calories. No a calorie is not just a calorie thats a miss-conception.
whats wrong with a good MRP? 10 mills of flax seed oil = 125 cals. 2 of these each meal would give you an extra 1500 cals. I believe a diet is about feeding the body not just stuffing it full of calories for the sake of it. But if it works for you carry on. We are all different at the end of the day.
[quote]welshman wrote:
pizza burgers fries or whatever to boost calories are empty or contain very little nutrition. [/quote]
I don’t eat fries and there is nothing “empty” about a hamburger. It is beef with a bun with vegetables. Stop me when I get to the “empty” part. Also, a pizza, while stacked with calories, is not “empty”. We aren’t talking potato chips or cookies here. Where is the empty in a pizza?
I doubt anyone here believes that, however, I am not seeing these HUGE people who only eat like this. Could you please point them out? Perhaps you are one?
When dieting, my diet will be based on nearly everything you mentioned. I would still think of an XL sized shirt as a step up if I ate like this when gaining.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, a pizza, while stacked with calories, is not “empty”. We aren’t talking potato chips or cookies here. Where is the empty in a pizza?
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I believe Pizza (Combo) is the best well rounded faster food out there. It has everything.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Also, a pizza, while stacked with calories, is not “empty”. We aren’t talking potato chips or cookies here. Where is the empty in a pizza?
I believe Pizza (Combo) is the best well rounded faster food out there. It has everything. [/quote]
[quote]mateirox23 wrote:
ok well today i experimented on eating and finding things to eat. well for breakfast i had:
egg whites with a mixture of vegetables, and a peanu butter and jelly sandwich on 7 grain bread(whole wheat) and a cup or 2 of milk. then after a while a hid like a before lunch snack which was another peanut butter and jelly sandwich(whole wheat bread).
For lunch i had 3 Oz. of beef tenderloin, and rice with vegetables, and a cup of green tea. Then after for a snack a ate a handful of peanuts.
And for Dinner i ate:
a Chicken sandwich with tomatoes lettuce, and mustard (whole wheat bread), And now for a late night snack i ate some string cheese.
I dont know if this is a really stupid diet or if im doing good just that i need to add more stuff or take some stuff out. PLease anybody that can help me out i would highly appreciate it.
I am currently reading the Massive eating threads gaining more knowledge. Ohh by the why throughout the day im always drinking water. And just if it helps im 5’7" at 125 lbs.
Thank you everybody!![/quote]
If you ate all of that before noon, then you would be eating a lot. Most of what everyone else said makes sense. Protein powder is probably not going to help you out a ton - U NEED CALORIES. Like the Prof said, eat a cheeseburger or 5. Eat calorically dense foods like cheese, natural peanut butter, and all kinds of things that used to move on their own (cows, ostriches, pigs, chickens, fishies, emus, buffalo, etc. - avoid dogs and cats). IF you start getting fat, then get back to us. If not, then I hate you.
If you can eat enough clean food to gain weight, more power to you. It’s hard. I found milk is my best fried for gaining weight. My new post-workout shake is a quart of 1% milk with low sugar chocalate syrup. I spread that quart out over sometime, by the way. And I personally find protein powder helpful out of skinny bastardism. A scoop with some milk and oatmeal for breakfast, and a scoop or two with a couple cups of whole milk makes for some easy calories, and it does little to satiate my hunger.
No a calorie is not just a calorie thats a miss-conception.
I doubt anyone here believes that …[/quote]
Yeah, what if a calorie just being a calorie is a mister-conception? huh, what about it? i tell you what, let’s just say you and me both leave the gender bias out of this one.
I feel like I’m late to the buffet, but would like to add my input.
Someone mentioned that of all the articles here, none mention that you should eat like shit. Well, I’m writing it now.
As a FSB I have a lot of personal experience with this topic, and two of my most successful clients had Calorie issues.
While I agree that eating shit is a good idea for reaching Calorie goals, there are a few drawbacks.
You’ll probably put on a little fat (no biggie for most)
It’s not particularly healthy.
Once you get in a habit of eating like crap, it’s hard to break.
OT-In between Prof X’s rantings about rainbows and kittens wearing funny hats, I noticed that he and I have very similar views on gaining muscle. He’s not all smiles and chocolates… he’s really a smart guy.
[quote]BFG wrote:
Yeah, what if a calorie just being a calorie is a mister-conception? huh, what about it? i tell you what, let’s just say you and me both leave the gender bias out of this one.