Illegal Immigration and Crime

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]John S. wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
John S. wrote:

Send lots of money out of country.

Sorry, they send only about 10% of their money home.

“According to Terry and Bendixen, the total this year should be around US$45.9 billion [the total income of Latin American immigrants is around $450 billion].”

http://www.iadb.org/NEWS/detail.cfm?language=English&id=4595
Too bad that report is about legal immigrants. Do you even read half the shit you post or do you just google search and grab the first topic that comes up?

The ones who come here by themselves and have a family back in Mexico will send 50% of there check if not more back to Mexico. But then again I have actually dealt with these people while you have just read about them. So good try but please try harder.[/quote]

“Legal,” “illegal,” there’s no difference. That’s the point. What magically makes a “legal” immigrant more productive?

You have “dealt” with them wheread I only have hard date from across the country. Good one.

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[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
MaximusB wrote:Training them and giving them jobs doesn’t mean they will pay taxes. They never have, why would they start now? They get the perks without the drawbacks.

What are you talking about?! We already covered this. They don’t “choose” to pay taxes, they’re taken out of their paycheck, they pay them whenever they buy anything. They pay ~$7 billion a year to social security. If you don’t like brown people, say so, but don’t make stuff up.

You mean the paychecks obtained with false ID’s, you forget about the cost of fighting identity theft that this causes. The lives ruined by people who exploit other people’s SSN’s and you encourage it.

You moron. They pay in, but they aren’t real social security numbers. They don’t get the benefits. They’re not even eligible. How hard is this? No identity theft involved. Stop making things up.

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I personally have known 2 people who had their identities stolen from illegals, and you cannot even begin to imagine the nightmare of trying to correct the damage from such scumbags.

These people make little no money, and take up jobs that other tax paying citizens can have, especially now with a near 10% unemployment rate. I would much rather see a citizen who belongs here, get a job than some illegal.

Besides, why can’t they pursue citizenship or even a green card using the proper methods? Why can’t they go through the proper channels and do it legally, if they are so holy?

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
<<< Help train them and help them find jobs. It’s basic economics. >>>

Let them come here legally. It’s basic civics.

You mean try to wade through the discriminatory admission process?

Besides, why should they? The original settlers of America didn’t. White immigrants later didn’t. It wasn’t until 1924 that limits were places on the immigration of white Europeans.

That’s like… tough. No nation that plans on being around long would simply throw open it’s borders to anybody and everybody who shows up. There are dead Americans with grieving families who would be alive today if some lowlife invader had been stopped at the border.
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Again, willfully ignoring our history of high incarceration rates. Besides, there are many grieving Latin Americans whose relatives would be alive today if our military hadn’t “intervened” in their countries. I wonder which causes more suffering?

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[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
John S. wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
John S. wrote:

Send lots of money out of country.

Sorry, they send only about 10% of their money home.

“According to Terry and Bendixen, the total this year should be around US$45.9 billion [the total income of Latin American immigrants is around $450 billion].”

http://www.iadb.org/NEWS/detail.cfm?language=English&id=4595
Too bad that report is about legal immigrants. Do you even read half the shit you post or do you just google search and grab the first topic that comes up?

The ones who come here by themselves and have a family back in Mexico will send 50% of there check if not more back to Mexico. But then again I have actually dealt with these people while you have just read about them. So good try but please try harder.

“Legal,” “illegal,” there’s no difference. That’s the point. What magically makes a “legal” immigrant more productive?

You have “dealt” with them wheread I only have hard date from across the country. Good one. Anyway, prove your claim.

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Listen if you are going to even think you can debate me you better bring more then this. It’s not about productivity, while they are working it illegal someone who has the right to work here is unable to work that job. Just because you can’t understand simple concepts does not make you smart.

And I already destroyed your little report. Please think over your argument and come back and crush me if you really can, I will be waiting.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
MaximusB wrote:Training them and giving them jobs doesn’t mean they will pay taxes. They never have, why would they start now? They get the perks without the drawbacks.

What are you talking about?! We already covered this. They don’t “choose” to pay taxes, they’re taken out of their paycheck, they pay them whenever they buy anything. They pay ~$7 billion a year to social security. If you don’t like brown people, say so, but don’t make stuff up.

You mean the paychecks obtained with false ID’s, you forget about the cost of fighting identity theft that this causes. The lives ruined by people who exploit other people’s SSN’s and you encourage it.

You moron. They pay in, but they aren’t real social security numbers. They don’t get the benefits. They’re not even eligible. How hard is this? No identity theft involved. Stop making things up.

I personally have known 2 people who had their identities stolen from illegals, and you cannot even begin to imagine the nightmare of trying to correct the damage from such scumbags.

These people make little no money, and take up jobs that other tax paying citizens can have, especially now with a near 10% unemployment rate. I would much rather see a citizen who belongs here, get a job than some illegal.

Besides, why can’t they pursue citizenship or even a green card using the proper methods? Why can’t they go through the proper channels and do it legally, if they are so holy? [/quote]

So there are x number of jobs and thats it? Well, it’s a good thing America already had millions of jobs available when we came here back in the 1600s, or else we’d all be unemployed!

The “proper channels” are unreasonably demanding.

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He has already lost, it was over before it started.

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[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
MaximusB wrote:Training them and giving them jobs doesn’t mean they will pay taxes. They never have, why would they start now? They get the perks without the drawbacks.

What are you talking about?! We already covered this. They don’t “choose” to pay taxes, they’re taken out of their paycheck, they pay them whenever they buy anything. They pay ~$7 billion a year to social security. If you don’t like brown people, say so, but don’t make stuff up.

You mean the paychecks obtained with false ID’s, you forget about the cost of fighting identity theft that this causes. The lives ruined by people who exploit other people’s SSN’s and you encourage it.

You moron. They pay in, but they aren’t real social security numbers. They don’t get the benefits. They’re not even eligible. How hard is this? No identity theft involved. Stop making things up.

I personally have known 2 people who had their identities stolen from illegals, and you cannot even begin to imagine the nightmare of trying to correct the damage from such scumbags.

These people make little no money, and take up jobs that other tax paying citizens can have, especially now with a near 10% unemployment rate. I would much rather see a citizen who belongs here, get a job than some illegal.

Besides, why can’t they pursue citizenship or even a green card using the proper methods? Why can’t they go through the proper channels and do it legally, if they are so holy?

So there are x number of jobs and thats it? Well, it’s a good thing America already had millions of jobs available when we came here back in the 1600s, or else we’d all be unemployed!

The “proper channels” are unreasonably demanding.[/quote]

Proper channels being demanding is not my problem, and doesn’t justify breaking the law. That is their animal to fight should they want to be here legally, love it or leave it. If they get deported, they cry knowing the risk.

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[quote]John S. wrote:Listen if you are going to even think you can debate me you better bring more then this. It’s not about productivity, while they are working it illegal someone who has the right to work here is unable to work that job. Just because you can’t understand simple concepts does not make you smart.

And I already destroyed your little report. Please think over your argument and come back and crush me if you really can, I will be waiting.[/quote]

Ignoring numbers, getting basic economic facts wrong, and saying “I saw them destroy a city with my own eyes!” doesn’t “destroy” anything, except maybe your credibility.

http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/69.pdf

Have fun reading.

Oh, but on second thought, I’m sure the ignorant rednecks and xenophobes calling for mass deportation are much more analytical and in touch with the facts.

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I agree with you, those blacks should have just dealt with discrimination and segragation and accepted their lot in life as second class citizens. I mean, it was the law, and it was tough, but it wasn’t my problem.

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[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
MaximusB wrote:Proper channels being demanding is not my problem, and doesn’t justify breaking the law. That is their animal to fight should they want to be here legally, love it or leave it. If they get deported, they cry knowing the risk.

I agree with you, those blacks should have just dealt with discrimination and segragation and accepted their lot in life as second class citizens. I mean, it was the law, and it was tough, but it wasn’t my problem.

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The Civil Rights Movement was wrong with the racism behind it, and those in positions of authority were wrong with how they managed the law. That was a race issue and we still deal with it, immigration is a legal issue. This is not limited to a specific race, this is about the legal issue. You break the law, you have nothing but trouble coming.

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Is the Dept of Justice legitimate enough for you?

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Is the Dept of Justice legitimate enough for you?

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/27/114208.shtml [/quote]

You’re wasting your time with this guy.

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[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
John S. wrote:Listen if you are going to even think you can debate me you better bring more then this. It’s not about productivity, while they are working it illegal someone who has the right to work here is unable to work that job. Just because you can’t understand simple concepts does not make you smart.

And I already destroyed your little report. Please think over your argument and come back and crush me if you really can, I will be waiting.

Ignoring numbers, getting basic economic facts wrong, and saying “I saw them destroy a city with my own eyes!” doesn’t “destroy” anything, except maybe your credibility.

http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/69.pdf

Have fun reading.

Oh, but on second thought, I’m sure the ignorant rednecks and xenophobes calling for mass deportation are much more analytical and in touch with the facts.[/quote]

Ignorant redneck, I can honestly say I have never been called that before. First off that first artical is misleading. Because it does not talk about how those who are unable to get that job because an illegal has it is unable to get social security because they have no job. But I am sure you never figured that out. Oh and by the way you even bother to read the third artical? I’m half way through it and I would just like to point out some fun information.

Among the findings:
â?¢ Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the
federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal
deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.
â?¢ Among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2
billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches
($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to
schools ($1.4 billion).
â?¢ With nearly two-thirds of illegal aliens lacking a high school degree, the primary reason
they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and
tax payments, not their legal status or heavy use of most social services.
â?¢ On average, the costs that illegal households impose on federal coffers are less than half
that of other households, but their tax payments are only one-fourth that of other
households.
â?¢ Many of the costs associated with illegals are due to their American-born children, who
are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth. Thus, greater efforts at barring illegals from
federal programs will not reduce costs because their citizen children can continue to
access them.
â?¢ If illegal aliens were given amnesty and began to pay taxes and use services like households
headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual
net fiscal deficit would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a
total net cost of $29 billion.

This last one is very important. It is why we don’t let a lot of unskilled labor into the country because they will have a hard time making it.

Your article proves one thing. That there is a good reason we have a process they have to go through.

Now begone you are beginning to bore me.

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Be nice to him John, his profile says he is a student.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Be nice to him John, his profile says he is a student. [/quote]

I’m a student too. I just you know have to work to live while going to school. I get kind of pissed when I see that my hard earned money is being stolen from me to pay for these people.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
They also have little to no education, they do not get high paying jobs, in which IF they pay any taxes, it’s minimal at best. How do you justify the healthcare costs of illegals against their alleged tax payments? The healthcare costs are legit, those social security payments are not verified. Please dude, come here and take a look at what we see here in the Southwest.

Sorry if you don’t like the numbers, but did you read the paper at all? Help train them and help them find jobs. It’s basic economics. A lot of young, healthy people who are willing to do productive work will help you make more stuff.

Training them and giving them jobs doesn’t mean they will pay taxes. They never have, why would they start now? They get the perks without the drawbacks.

John, I spent time in Des Moines, Newton, and Pella, and I was shocked at how many illegals I would see even in small towns. I really couldn’t believe it. [/quote]

Great Mexican food in those towns though. There aren’t many small towns in IA you can’t get good mexican food in these days.

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[quote]dhickey wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
They also have little to no education, they do not get high paying jobs, in which IF they pay any taxes, it’s minimal at best. How do you justify the healthcare costs of illegals against their alleged tax payments? The healthcare costs are legit, those social security payments are not verified. Please dude, come here and take a look at what we see here in the Southwest.

Sorry if you don’t like the numbers, but did you read the paper at all? Help train them and help them find jobs. It’s basic economics. A lot of young, healthy people who are willing to do productive work will help you make more stuff.

Training them and giving them jobs doesn’t mean they will pay taxes. They never have, why would they start now? They get the perks without the drawbacks.

John, I spent time in Des Moines, Newton, and Pella, and I was shocked at how many illegals I would see even in small towns. I really couldn’t believe it.

Great Mexican food in those towns though. There aren’t many small towns in IA you can’t get good mexican food in these days.[/quote]

I actually live in a town called Grinnell that is 10-15 minutes away from newton 35-45 minutes away from Pella and Des Moines. Here the problem is getter worse. I don’t know how long it has been since you have been to newton but they pretty much abandoned that town once maytag shut down.

And yes there is some amazing mexican food here. We have one in my town it is probably the best I have ever had and I have been to mexico.

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2005 was the last time I was in Iowa, mainly in Des Moines. One thing about the midwest I like, the people are cool. Not many places I have been to, where I felt the people were pretty genuine. I bet there is some good Mexican food in Iowa, never tried any. I remember being there in 1997 and going to a place called the Iowa Machine Shed. It’s kinda like a Paul Bunyan place, great food.