A bunch of rationalizing you pulled out of your ass. I’m not surprised. They pay sales taxes, gasoline taxes, real estate tax.
“on average, the costs that illegal households impose on federal coffers are less than half that of other households, but their tax payments are only one-fourth that of other households.”
“…the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments, not their legal status or heavy use of most social services.”
They also have little to no education, they do not get high paying jobs, in which IF they pay any taxes, it’s minimal at best. How do you justify the healthcare costs of illegals against their alleged tax payments? The healthcare costs are legit, those social security payments are not verified. Please dude, come here and take a look at what we see here in the Southwest.
Are people just now beginning to figure out that illegal’s bring crime? Not only do they cost California an arm and a leg but while I can’t say for certain maybe it’s different in cali then it is here in Iowa, but most illegals come here get a job then send half of there check if not more to there family in Mexico. So lets take a look at the damage these illegals are doing.
Costing state and federal(meaning us taxpayers) a retarded amount of money.
Bring Crime.
Take jobs.
Send lots of money out of country.
[quote]John S. wrote:
Are people just now beginning to figure out that illegal’s bring crime? Not only do they cost California an arm and a leg but while I can’t say for certain maybe it’s different in cali then it is here in Iowa, but most illegals come here get a job then send half of there check if not more to there family in Mexico. So lets take a look at the damage these illegals are doing.
Costing state and federal(meaning us taxpayers) a retarded amount of money.
Bring Crime.
Take jobs.
Send lots of money out of country.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
They also have little to no education, they do not get high paying jobs, in which IF they pay any taxes, it’s minimal at best. How do you justify the healthcare costs of illegals against their alleged tax payments? The healthcare costs are legit, those social security payments are not verified. Please dude, come here and take a look at what we see here in the Southwest. [/quote]
Sorry if you don’t like the numbers, but did you read the paper at all? Help train them and help them find jobs. It’s basic economics. A lot of young, healthy people who are willing to do productive work will help you make more stuff.
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
They also have little to no education, they do not get high paying jobs, in which IF they pay any taxes, it’s minimal at best. How do you justify the healthcare costs of illegals against their alleged tax payments? The healthcare costs are legit, those social security payments are not verified. Please dude, come here and take a look at what we see here in the Southwest.
Sorry if you don’t like the numbers, but did you read the paper at all? Help train them and help them find jobs. It’s basic economics. A lot of young, healthy people who are willing to do productive work will help you make more stuff.
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There are already people here that need the job. There are ones that come from Mexico legally that can do the job. They have no business being here.
I have lived in small towns most of my life and one thing you will find out is they are a cancer to towns that I live in. When I lived in Marshalltown IA, there was this plant called Swift. Its a meat packing plant, But had hundreds of illegals working there. They where no openings because they where able to get away with paying them so little that there where many people in that town that where out of a job.
Well anyways they get busted and a total of 1500 people get deported(Workers plus family’s). The town of Marshalltown is only 15000. It took one month for them to get everyone replaced by the town folks.
Maybe you have a hard time understanding this but when you actually get to experience it you begin to see things a lot differently.
[quote]John S. wrote:Costing state and federal(meaning us taxpayers) a retarded amount of money.
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Wrong. I’ll just refer you to my earlier post.
We’ve had the highest incarceration rate in the world for a long time before massive immigration, so what’s your point? That things are the same now as they always were?
Oh no! Not our jobs!
This assumes that the number of jobs is rigid, which it is not. But don’t take my word for it:
“…no consistent pattern emerges to show that native-born workers suffered or benefitted from increased numbers of foreign-born workers.”
Sorry, they send only about 10% of their money home.
“According to Terry and Bendixen, the total this year should be around US$45.9 billion [the total income of Latin American immigrants is around $450 billion].”
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
They also have little to no education, they do not get high paying jobs, in which IF they pay any taxes, it’s minimal at best. How do you justify the healthcare costs of illegals against their alleged tax payments? The healthcare costs are legit, those social security payments are not verified. Please dude, come here and take a look at what we see here in the Southwest.
Sorry if you don’t like the numbers, but did you read the paper at all? Help train them and help them find jobs. It’s basic economics. A lot of young, healthy people who are willing to do productive work will help you make more stuff.
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Training them and giving them jobs doesn’t mean they will pay taxes. They never have, why would they start now? They get the perks without the drawbacks.
John, I spent time in Des Moines, Newton, and Pella, and I was shocked at how many illegals I would see even in small towns. I really couldn’t believe it.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
<<< Help train them and help them find jobs. It’s basic economics. >>>
Let them come here legally. It’s basic civics.[/quote]
You mean try to wade through the discriminatory admission process?
Besides, why should they? The original settlers of America didn’t. White immigrants later didn’t. It wasn’t until 1924 that limits were places on the immigration of white Europeans.
What are you talking about?! We already covered this. They don’t “choose” to pay taxes, they’re taken out of their paycheck, they pay them whenever they buy anything. They pay ~$7 billion a year to social security. If you don’t like brown people, say so, but don’t make stuff up.
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
MaximusB wrote:Training them and giving them jobs doesn’t mean they will pay taxes. They never have, why would they start now? They get the perks without the drawbacks.
What are you talking about?! We already covered this. They don’t “choose” to pay taxes, they’re taken out of their paycheck, they pay them whenever they buy anything. They pay ~$7 billion a year to social security. If you don’t like brown people, say so, but don’t make stuff up.
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You mean the paychecks obtained with false ID’s, you forget about the cost of fighting identity theft that this causes. The lives ruined by people who exploit other people’s SSN’s and you encourage it.
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
MaximusB wrote:Training them and giving them jobs doesn’t mean they will pay taxes. They never have, why would they start now? They get the perks without the drawbacks.
What are you talking about?! We already covered this. They don’t “choose” to pay taxes, they’re taken out of their paycheck, they pay them whenever they buy anything. They pay ~$7 billion a year to social security. If you don’t like brown people, say so, but don’t make stuff up.
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Tell me what is a brown person? And you call me a moron?
Sorry, they send only about 10% of their money home.
“According to Terry and Bendixen, the total this year should be around US$45.9 billion [the total income of Latin American immigrants is around $450 billion].”
The ones who come here by themselves and have a family back in Mexico will send 50% of there check if not more back to Mexico. But then again I have actually dealt with these people while you have just read about them. So good try but please try harder.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
MaximusB wrote:Training them and giving them jobs doesn’t mean they will pay taxes. They never have, why would they start now? They get the perks without the drawbacks.
What are you talking about?! We already covered this. They don’t “choose” to pay taxes, they’re taken out of their paycheck, they pay them whenever they buy anything. They pay ~$7 billion a year to social security. If you don’t like brown people, say so, but don’t make stuff up.
You mean the paychecks obtained with false ID’s, you forget about the cost of fighting identity theft that this causes. The lives ruined by people who exploit other people’s SSN’s and you encourage it. [/quote]
You moron. They pay in, but they aren’t real social security numbers. They don’t get the benefits. They’re not even eligible. How hard is this? No identity theft involved. Stop making things up.
Besides, all that Heritage Foundation report says is that households headed by a person without a high school diploma don’t pay much in taxes. Surprise, surprise. This group includes many natives and not all immigrants. Again, what’s your point?
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
<<< Help train them and help them find jobs. It’s basic economics. >>>
Let them come here legally. It’s basic civics.
You mean try to wade through the discriminatory admission process?
Besides, why should they? The original settlers of America didn’t. White immigrants later didn’t. It wasn’t until 1924 that limits were places on the immigration of white Europeans.
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That’s like… tough. No nation that plans on being around long would simply throw open it’s borders to anybody and everybody who shows up. There are dead Americans with grieving families who would be alive today if some lowlife invader had been stopped at the border.
[quote]John S. wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
John S. wrote:
Send lots of money out of country.
Sorry, they send only about 10% of their money home.
“According to Terry and Bendixen, the total this year should be around US$45.9 billion [the total income of Latin American immigrants is around $450 billion].”
The ones who come here by themselves and have a family back in Mexico will send 50% of there check if not more back to Mexico. But then again I have actually dealt with these people while you have just read about them. So good try but please try harder.[/quote]
John you are right, recent reports have shown that many of these people are now asking for money to be sent BACK to them here, because of lack of jobs and a slow economy rather than them sending it to Latin or South America.