What’s sad is that he (the illegal alien) is right. Nothing will happen but deportation, maybe.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The mafia cannot put every grandma out of business who wished to compete with them – especially if there is no prohibition from Grandma packin heat![/quote]
LIFT you do not understand human nature. The cartels just need to make examples of a couple of dozen grandmothers and the grandmothers will stop dealing drugs.
The cartels in Mexico have at least as much power as the Mexican government. If the cartels are not a proper deterant then neither is the government.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]phaethon wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…make the whole north-american continent one economic entity where workers can migrate freely between nations. Problem solved…[/quote]
I have a counter offer: Mexico and the Netherlands can become one economic entity where workers can migrate freely between the two nations. The US, being the kind chaps they are, will even pay the transportation costs (by boat) of the Mexican nationals.
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You know that we have already done similar things several times, right?
Lets see, we did it with Turkey, Spain, Portugal, Poland, Roumania, Bulgaria, Estland, Lithuania, Hungaria, Slovakia and so further and so on.
Boohoo, now that thought really scares us.
As in, not in the least.
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I hear Germany is just really not all that happy with Greece and Spain right now. How much was the bailout?
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So?
What does that have to do with anything?
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What’s your nation’s circumstances have do with our illegal immigration problem?[/quote]
A lot, whereas her example is another topic altogether.
Of course it stinks that we have to bail these fuckers out, but that is like Texas bailing out California and has nothing to do with how many illegal immigrants you have and how to deal with them.
[quote]orion wrote:
Of course it stinks that we have to bail these fuckers out, but that is like Texas bailing out California and has nothing to do with how many illegal immigrants you have and how to deal with them.
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And if someone then came along and told you to triple the bailout money you are giving Greece and to bail out all the other countries in the EU that are having financial difficulties… well would you consider that person a fool/jerk?
Because you are telling US citizens to suck it up. And then telling them it is no big deal.
[quote]orion wrote:
You forget that all those foreigners are concentrated in the big cities, i.e. Vienna.
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You forget that it is the same in Australia and the US. Face the facts: Austria hasn’t had to deal with immigration on the same scale as the United States. Not with legal immigration and not with illegal immigration. Nor with the same type of immigrants. Stating that strict immigration controls aren’t important and using Austria as an example to someone in the US is a joke. You can use Austria as an example to someone in Saudi.
Don’t get upset though; people in the US are jealous of Austria because you guys enforce strict immigration controls. In reality it is a good thing.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]phaethon wrote:
My country (Australia)[/quote]
Criminal![/quote]
Hey don’t be jealous that I’m from the lucky country cuz. You can still come over if you want. Just catch a plane. Then you don’t have to put up with horrible weather all day; No more wearing jumpers at the beach :).
I just think it is funny that Orion is treating a small amount of immigration from countries with a reasonably similar culture as equivalent to high levels of immigration (legal and otherwise) from a completely different culture. It is simply a different kettle of fish.
About 2.5% of the Australian population are Kiwis. Another 5%+ are from the UK. Now imagine if I had said it had worked well for us so it will work for America to open its borders to Mexico. I would be contributing nothing of value because the situations are so different. I would rightly be told I didn’t know what I was talking about.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Lift,
I don’t know where you are from, but I saw real mafia growing up in Italy. I think your satire towards the mafia is better suited for someone else. My point of view is based on seeing things for myself, not from TV or the movies.
Mafia and cartels cannot be compared in a realistic manner, because they are nowhere near similar. Mafia fight other mafia, cartels kill anyone who poses a threat, including innocent bystanders. It is well known among mafia that killing innocent people is absolutely unacceptable. Make no mistake, they are not going to win humanitarian awards, but there motto is about having more class than other groups. Much of what I learned came from Rosario Gambino, the consiglieri (advisor) who I spent time with at Terminal Island.
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Brought back some memories: When I was a little kid, my aunt was married to one of Mooney Giancana’s ‘staff’ of insiders. He was always nice around us kids and would give us dollars. He once gave me a $20 for bringing him a beer at a party at their house. He couldn’t remember our names what would say: “Hey, you little shit, get me a beer!” or something similar, then give us money. His name was Fiore Buccieri.
This same man would go after Giancana’s enemies with an ice pick.
[quote]phaethon wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]phaethon wrote:
My country (Australia)[/quote]
Criminal![/quote]
Hey don’t be jealous that I’m from the lucky country cuz. You can still come over if you want. Just catch a plane. Then you don’t have to put up with horrible weather all day; No more wearing jumpers at the beach :).
I just think it is funny that Orion is treating a small amount of immigration from countries with a reasonably similar culture as equivalent to high levels of immigration (legal and otherwise) from a completely different culture. It is simply a different kettle of fish.
About 2.5% of the Australian population are Kiwis. Another 5%+ are from the UK. Now imagine if I had said it had worked well for us so it will work for America to open its borders to Mexico. I would be contributing nothing of value because the situations are so different. I would rightly be told I didn’t know what I was talking about.[/quote]
“Reasonably similar culture?”
As in, goat herders from Anatolia?
btw we have 20 % foreigners in Vienna, 1/3 of all people in Vienna have parents that were not born in Vienna.
So I guess I know what I am talking about after all.
[quote]phaethon wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The mafia cannot put every grandma out of business who wished to compete with them – especially if there is no prohibition from Grandma packin heat![/quote]
LIFT you do not understand human nature. The cartels just need to make examples of a couple of dozen grandmothers and the grandmothers will stop dealing drugs.
The cartels in Mexico have at least as much power as the Mexican government. If the cartels are not a proper deterant then neither is the government.[/quote]
You do not understand the nature of government and why Mexicans ultimately suffer. Hello?! Prohibition!
How many different ways does it need to be said?
I guarantee you without the corrupt Mexican government standing in the way those suffering Mexicans would have pushed out the cartels by now. Private justice works and governmental justice never has.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]phaethon wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The mafia cannot put every grandma out of business who wished to compete with them – especially if there is no prohibition from Grandma packin heat![/quote]
LIFT you do not understand human nature. The cartels just need to make examples of a couple of dozen grandmothers and the grandmothers will stop dealing drugs.
The cartels in Mexico have at least as much power as the Mexican government. If the cartels are not a proper deterant then neither is the government.[/quote]
You do not understand the nature of government and why Mexicans ultimately suffer. Hello?! Prohibition!
How many different ways does it need to be said?
I guarantee you without the corrupt Mexican government standing in the way those suffering Mexicans would have pushed out the cartels by now. Private justice works and governmental justice never has.[/quote]
There’s been many a hanged man, without benefit of trial, that would testify to private justice not working. Blood feuds aren’t exactly inspiring testaments to private justice, either.
Sure…but ultimately private justice is better in the long run.
Now, answer my assertion that the Mexican government does not have the Mexican people’s justice in mind.
Heck, your government even interferes with its war on drugs that if forces other countries into and you wonder why Mexicans flee to the US to escape their crooked government officials that feed at the American money trough…?
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…make the whole north-american continent one economic entity where workers can migrate freely between nations. Problem solved…[/quote]
Does Holland allow for a lot of immigration and extension of benefits to non-citizens?[/quote]
…if you are talking about worker-migration from people within the Euro-zone [Schengen agreement] then it’s not a question of allowing; they can come as they please and look for work. If a foreign worker from a Schengen country is gainfully employed s/he enjoyes the same benefits as a dutch national. Mosttimes such workers are temp workers though, and there’s even been cases where dutch farmers exploited [polish] workers turning them into virtual slaves…
When a government does not have justice in mind, then it becomes illegitimate. Where there is hope to reverse this through peaceful means, they should be undertaken. Where this is not the case, the people should consider the overthrow and replacement of their government. Afterwards, they’d be fools to put themselves at the mercy of private justice. Mob justice and Corporate justice are foolish ideas. I’d rather not be at the mercy of an unthinking mob, or of somone whose bottom line is profit.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…make the whole north-american continent one economic entity where workers can migrate freely between nations. Problem solved…[/quote]
Does Holland allow for a lot of immigration and extension of benefits to non-citizens?[/quote]
…if you are talking about worker-migration from people within the Euro-zone [Schengen agreement] then it’s not a question of allowing; they can come as they please and look for work. If a foreign worker from a Schengen country is gainfully employed s/he enjoyes the same benefits as a dutch national. Mosttimes such workers are temp workers though, and there’s even been cases where dutch farmers exploited [polish] workers turning them into virtual slaves…
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well then what is up with this article?
EU: Netherlands Leading Trend To More Stringent Immigration Rules
If you don’t speak Dutch, and the thought of nude beaches or homosexual marriage makes you uncomfortable, then the Netherlands is not for you. That’s the message from Dutch immigration authorities, who have just instituted some of Europe’s most stringent requirements for would-be immigrants. Several other European states are following suit, as European politicians react to growing anti-immigration sentiment among voters.
PRAGUE, April 5, 2006 (RFE/RL) – Dutch Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk says there are over 600,000 people in her country who don’t speak proper Dutch and are mostly unemployed.
Verdonk argues that the Netherlands can no longer afford to welcome immigrants who will not integrate into mainstream society, which is why she has advocated a new restrictive visa system. (I just cut and pasted the first couple of paragraphs.)
They do not fuck around with illegal immigration in Europe, they will throw your ass out before you have a chance to even speak. Most of those countries don’t care what sob story you have, you are out, period.
Illegal aliens kill police officer.
http://www.khou.com/news/Tape-recording-reveals-fallen-officers-last-moments-94803264.html
I thought they came for jobs and a better life. I thought they came to work as dishwashers, landscapers, and construction workers.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I thought they came for jobs and a better life. I thought they came to work as dishwashers, landscapers, and construction workers. [/quote]
I welcome even the unskilled so long as they do it legally.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I thought they came for jobs and a better life. I thought they came to work as dishwashers, landscapers, and construction workers. [/quote]
They do. And a lot of them end up owning their own businesses in the long run.