Grandma down the street will put them out of business.
Well, in the real world, who you allow or don’t allow on your property could in fact have repercussions for others outside of your property. Same as with the use of your property. Anarcho-Capitalists ask us to believe that each man’s property is a personal universe. One that is somehow permeable during a transaction, when the owner wants to trade with another’s pocket universe. Yet, the consequences of the owner’s decisions and actions on his own property are self-contained, within his own personal universe. Doesn’t work that way, and never has.
State Rep Mike Moran gets hit by illegal alien driver…
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, in the real world, who you allow or don’t allow on your property could in fact have repercussions for others outside of your property. Same as with the use of your property. Anarcho-Capitalists ask us to believe that each man’s property is a personal universe. One that is somehow permeable during a transaction, when the owner wants to trade with another’s pocket universe. Yet, the consequences of the owner’s decisions and actions on his own property are self-contained, within his own personal universe. Doesn’t work that way, and never has.
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but this doesn’t matter since any decision to limit the use of property could only be political and thus arbitrary.
you do not have the right to dictate the use of someone else’s property.
If you allow one case of it you allow all cases of it and open your self up to abuses.
The use of property does involve risk and it should be up to the people closest to that property to decide what if any risk is necessary and warranted. There is no need to have a central agency regulate immigration since immigration only affects places where people immigrate to and not the State itself.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, in the real world, who you allow or don’t allow on your property could in fact have repercussions for others outside of your property. Same as with the use of your property. Anarcho-Capitalists ask us to believe that each man’s property is a personal universe. One that is somehow permeable during a transaction, when the owner wants to trade with another’s pocket universe. Yet, the consequences of the owner’s decisions and actions on his own property are self-contained, within his own personal universe. Doesn’t work that way, and never has.
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but this doesn’t matter since any decision to limit the use of property could only be political and thus arbitrary.
you do not have the right to dictate the use of someone else’s property.
If you allow one case of it you allow all cases of it and open your self up to abuses.
The use of property does involve risk and it should be up to the people closest to that property to decide what if any risk is necessary and warranted. There is no need to have a central agency regulate immigration since immigration only affects places where people immigrate to and not the State itself.[/quote]
If someone is polluting the air I breathe, I have that right. If you’re letting a shantytown build up on your property, it’s crime, trash, and unruly people creeping onto my own, I have that right. If you’re affecting others as it does me, we have that right.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Governments have no rights. Individuals do. The government’s mandate is to protect property rights, yet in order to regulate immigration it must ignore property rights. None have the right to tell me who can or cannot make use of my property.
I really don’t care about the concept of the nation state or the arbitrary rules they makes up regarding who is allowed in or not.
Natural law still reigns supreme.[/quote]
Government has the right (read authority) to do exactly what the citizens of the nation have empowered it to do - in this case they gave up unlimited immigration for national security - written law trumped natural law . . . because written law has the bigger guns
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Grandma down the street will put them out of business.[/quote]
Only if Grandma has a few Strykers with 105’s in here front yard . . .
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
So basically, if he were in the US legally and hit those girls, this would be a non-issue?[/quote]
If he was a citizen, he would at least be allowed to be driving in our country legally.
Think about this Mak, as an illegal alien without a drivers license, he has not shown the ability to drive a vehicle, understand the rules and laws of the road, or even read the signs written in English. Those are 3 factors that citizens can show when obtaining an American drivers license. Remember, the article said nothing about drinking or drugs, so he was not drunk or high. He was a fucking reckless piece of shit who should not have been there, he has not a care in the world for our laws, by jumping the border illegally. Fuck him. [/quote]
Yup. A clubbing with a nightstick is too good for him. Please PLEASE turn off the cameras and let the cops get at that guy.
He’ll never do it again.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…make the whole north-american continent one economic entity where workers can migrate freely between nations. Problem solved…[/quote]
And have a common currency…that works SO well…
The mafia cannot put every grandma out of business who wished to compete with them – especially if there is no prohibition from Grandma packin heat!
Do you wish on finding out?
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Do you wish on finding out?[/quote]
Yes! Life is not a TV movie.
Lift,
I don’t know where you are from, but I saw real mafia growing up in Italy. I think your satire towards the mafia is better suited for someone else. My point of view is based on seeing things for myself, not from TV or the movies.
Mafia and cartels cannot be compared in a realistic manner, because they are nowhere near similar. Mafia fight other mafia, cartels kill anyone who poses a threat, including innocent bystanders. It is well known among mafia that killing innocent people is absolutely unacceptable. Make no mistake, they are not going to win humanitarian awards, but there motto is about having more class than other groups. Much of what I learned came from Rosario Gambino, the consiglieri (advisor) who I spent time with at Terminal Island.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…make the whole north-american continent one economic entity where workers can migrate freely between nations. Problem solved…[/quote]
Does Holland allow for a lot of immigration and extension of benefits to non-citizens?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]phaethon wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…make the whole north-american continent one economic entity where workers can migrate freely between nations. Problem solved…[/quote]
I have a counter offer: Mexico and the Netherlands can become one economic entity where workers can migrate freely between the two nations. The US, being the kind chaps they are, will even pay the transportation costs (by boat) of the Mexican nationals.
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You know that we have already done similar things several times, right?
Lets see, we did it with Turkey, Spain, Portugal, Poland, Roumania, Bulgaria, Estland, Lithuania, Hungaria, Slovakia and so further and so on.
Boohoo, now that thought really scares us.
As in, not in the least.
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I hear Germany is just really not all that happy with Greece and Spain right now. How much was the bailout?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, in the real world, who you allow or don’t allow on your property could in fact have repercussions for others outside of your property. Same as with the use of your property. Anarcho-Capitalists ask us to believe that each man’s property is a personal universe. One that is somehow permeable during a transaction, when the owner wants to trade with another’s pocket universe. Yet, the consequences of the owner’s decisions and actions on his own property are self-contained, within his own personal universe. Doesn’t work that way, and never has.
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but this doesn’t matter since any decision to limit the use of property could only be political and thus arbitrary.
you do not have the right to dictate the use of someone else’s property.
If you allow one case of it you allow all cases of it and open your self up to abuses.
The use of property does involve risk and it should be up to the people closest to that property to decide what if any risk is necessary and warranted. There is no need to have a central agency regulate immigration since immigration only affects places where people immigrate to and not the State itself.[/quote]
Your “should” does not equal “is”.
HOAs and governments have long dictated how property can be used. Also through eminent domain, property can be seized and put to different use even if that land is in private ownership.
See the thing with you is that you are so far out of reality that it is worthless to discuss with you.
I know, I know, LONG LIVE ANARCHY!
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Lift,
I don’t know where you are from, but I saw real mafia growing up in Italy.
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That’s great but you are still missing the point. Crime syndicates in all circumstances are empowered by government first and foremost. Do you understand why this is?
Let me give you a hint: government prohibition of private justice
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]phaethon wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…make the whole north-american continent one economic entity where workers can migrate freely between nations. Problem solved…[/quote]
I have a counter offer: Mexico and the Netherlands can become one economic entity where workers can migrate freely between the two nations. The US, being the kind chaps they are, will even pay the transportation costs (by boat) of the Mexican nationals.
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You know that we have already done similar things several times, right?
Lets see, we did it with Turkey, Spain, Portugal, Poland, Roumania, Bulgaria, Estland, Lithuania, Hungaria, Slovakia and so further and so on.
Boohoo, now that thought really scares us.
As in, not in the least.
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I hear Germany is just really not all that happy with Greece and Spain right now. How much was the bailout?
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So?
What does that have to do with anything?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]phaethon wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…make the whole north-american continent one economic entity where workers can migrate freely between nations. Problem solved…[/quote]
I have a counter offer: Mexico and the Netherlands can become one economic entity where workers can migrate freely between the two nations. The US, being the kind chaps they are, will even pay the transportation costs (by boat) of the Mexican nationals.
[/quote]
You know that we have already done similar things several times, right?
Lets see, we did it with Turkey, Spain, Portugal, Poland, Roumania, Bulgaria, Estland, Lithuania, Hungaria, Slovakia and so further and so on.
Boohoo, now that thought really scares us.
As in, not in the least.
[/quote]
I hear Germany is just really not all that happy with Greece and Spain right now. How much was the bailout?
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So?
What does that have to do with anything?
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What’s your nation’s circumstances have do with our illegal immigration problem?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
I got hit by a Caucasian woman on a crossing after one car (the one closest to me) had already stopped. She was going 60km/h (about 37-40 mph for you imperialists) when she hit me, and put me in hospital for a month. She also sped up after hitting me and tried to escape. She, however, was not in the country illegally.
It is disingenuous to relate both of these things together as you and the media are attempting to do now. He is a reckless driver. He is an illegal immigrant. These are separate issues.[/quote]
You failed to see the point that as an illegal alien, he should not have been there in the first place. Just imagine if laws were enforced, and he was detained before he hit those 4 girls.
I think we should pass a law that absolves a person of any assault charges if you try to detain an illegal alien, meaning you can whoop his ass blind and not get sued for it. This guy is a hero. I am waiting for some big shot politician to be hit by an illegal alien, maybe then we might see some action. [/quote]
If he wasn’t in the country, what is to say someone else wouldn’t have been behind that wheel?
I’m not saying he should be allowed to stay, in fact illegal immigrants should be deported straight away, I’m just saying that adding this hit and run blows the issue out of proportion.[/quote]
You’re going “What If” this to death? Really?
I’d rather deal in facts. The FACT is he didn’t belong here. The FACT is the legal American now has NO RECOURSE to recover anything from this scum.
Just yesterday an ILLEGAL, MEXICAN, without a license, hit a State rep here… The mexican was LOADED… .25 (legal limit is .08). When being arrested he told the cops: Hey man, nothing is going to happen to me, I’m going home to mexico.
FTW.