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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, go for it. Do it again with Mexico. Have fun.[/quote]

So you are saying that the mighty US cannot stomach problems that itsy bitsy tiny Austria already has mastered more or less successfully?

Do you want us to send you experts?

We would you know, if you ask nicely.

[/quote]

Wouldn’t work anyway: We’re no “master race” like you all.

We’re just your everyday, garden-variety, world-dominating nation.

Remember? You never tire of telling us how EVERYTHING we do affects you.

Try to remember that running a small village-state and running a real country are a bit different, ok?[/quote]

…why not form a pan-american economic alliance then? That alone will bring in a shitload in taxes. Has to war on drugs taught you nothing?

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, go for it. Do it again with Mexico. Have fun.[/quote]

So you are saying that the mighty US cannot stomach problems that itsy bitsy tiny Austria already has mastered more or less successfully?

Do you want us to send you experts?

We would you know, if you ask nicely.

[/quote]

Wouldn’t work anyway: We’re no “master race” like you all.

We’re just your everyday, garden-variety, world-dominating nation.

Remember? You never tire of telling us how EVERYTHING we do affects you.

Try to remember that running a small village-state and running a real country are a bit different, ok?[/quote]

Yeah well it is different in that

a) your immigrants more or less speak the same language and come from one and the same culture.

Ours dont.

b) the US has far more people than Mexico whereas practically all our neighbors are actually bigger than us, and they have neighbors that are faaar bigger than us.

c) if you think your welfare system is attractive, what do you think our, far bigger, system is?

Maybe your problem is that you are so “world dominating” that you think every problem can be solved with violence.

Maybe a bit less “world domination” and a bit more “common sense” would work wonders when it comes to solving your problems.

I sometimes wonder why the most powerful nation on earth seems to consist of a bunch of hysteric little girls.

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[quote]orion wrote:
You know that we have already done similar things several times, right?
[/quote]

Really? Because from everything I have read Austria has a pretty damn low immigration rate. My country (Australia) has an immigration rate more than 3x as high and the US has an immigration rate more than 2x as high.

I mean I don’t want to ruin your tough guy image but until you have at least doubled your immigration rate you should sit down and shut up.

Hell your second largest ethnic group, slavs, make up only 4% of the population; the next is less than 2%. Contrast that to 15% Hispanic and >12% African American in the US.

To be honest Austria isn’t very diverse at all. No more than Australia. Certainly nothing like the US.

Oh no not immigrants from Poland, Romania, Croatia, Bulgaria, Estonia, Lithuania and Hungary :S. Those countries all have literacy rates >97%.

The only country on the list you gave that is comparable with Mexico is Turkey. And I don’t think Austria and Turkey have an open borders agreement. Is 4% of your population illegal immigrants from Turkey? With another 8-10% of your population from Turkey? No? Then to compare the situations is downright silly.

Ok good. Please send letters to your politicians to take the Mexicans off the United States hands.

Edit: Some references: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2112rank.html

And good old wiki: List of countries by literacy rate - Wikipedia

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[quote]phaethon wrote:
My country (Australia)[/quote]
Criminal!

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, go for it. Do it again with Mexico. Have fun.[/quote]

So you are saying that the mighty US cannot stomach problems that itsy bitsy tiny Austria already has mastered more or less successfully?

Do you want us to send you experts?

We would you know, if you ask nicely.

[/quote]

Just see Phaethon’s post. Lol. I don’t think anyone buys your stupid comparison. But as I said, feel free to make immigration wide open for our illegals. I’m sure we’d be glad to save ourselves some money by purchasing airline tickets to your nation, for them. We could even hand them out at the border.

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[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
You know that we have already done similar things several times, right?
[/quote]

Really? Because from everything I have read Austria has a pretty damn low immigration rate. My country (Australia) has an immigration rate more than 3x as high and the US has an immigration rate more than 2x as high.

I mean I don’t want to ruin your tough guy image but until you have at least doubled your immigration rate you should sit down and shut up.

Hell your second largest ethnic group, slavs, make up only 4% of the population; the next is less than 2%. Contrast that to 15% Hispanic and >12% African American in the US.

To be honest Austria isn’t very diverse at all. No more than Australia. Certainly nothing like the US.

Oh no not immigrants from Poland, Romania, Croatia, Bulgaria, Estonia, Lithuania and Hungary :S. Those countries all have literacy rates >97%.

The only country on the list you gave that is comparable with Mexico is Turkey. And I don’t think Austria and Turkey have an open borders agreement. Is 4% of your population illegal immigrants from Turkey? With another 8-10% of your population from Turkey? No? Then to compare the situations is downright silly.

Ok good. Please send letters to your politicians to take the Mexicans off the United States hands.

Edit: Some references: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2112rank.html

And good old wiki: List of countries by literacy rate - Wikipedia [/quote]

You forget that all those foreigners are concentrated in the big cities, i.e. Vienna.

So at least in Vienna we do have quite a lot of them and EU citizens are not even counted.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, go for it. Do it again with Mexico. Have fun.[/quote]

So you are saying that the mighty US cannot stomach problems that itsy bitsy tiny Austria already has mastered more or less successfully?

Do you want us to send you experts?

We would you know, if you ask nicely.

[/quote]

Wouldn’t work anyway: We’re no “master race” like you all.

We’re just your everyday, garden-variety, world-dominating nation.

Remember? You never tire of telling us how EVERYTHING we do affects you.

Try to remember that running a small village-state and running a real country are a bit different, ok?[/quote]

I sometimes wonder why the most powerful nation on earth seems to consist of a bunch of hysteric little girls.

[/quote]

Hmmm…

Just doesn’t fit, does it?

And yet there it is: We ARE “the most powerful nation on earth.”

So clearly your understanding of us is seriously lacking.

Must be something about your “knowledge” of the American Indians that’s the problem… No, I know! It’s your profound “understanding” of the American Civil War. Or maybe your extensive experience dealing with US law enforcement officers?

Eh, who knows?

Maybe someday you’ll actually spend time in the US.

Imagine that!

Wonder of wonders, you might even have some idea of what you’re pontificating about then!

[/quote]

Sense.

This post makes none.

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Orion - every once and awhile you have an great post, but a friendly reminder any time you are on the same side as Mak that’s a pretty good indication that you’ve brkoen into the funny farm again. Mak’s perspectives make me wonder if he could pour water out of a bucket if the instructions were written on the bottom . . . .

Seriously - OP’s point is that one criminal activity lead to another criminal activty that lead to the accident.

Common sense tells you that if you had prevented or detained the criminal for the first criminal act, the second criminal act could not have occurred, thus the accident could not have occurred. - A foundational principle in law enforcement - you enforce all of the laws to prevent lawlessness.

Not that hard and all of the psuedo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo about causality is just obfuscation of a simple point - enforce the laws to prevent further criminal activities . . . do i need to type slower?

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But you miss the finer point. The US government does not know how to enforce anything.

So yeah, I’ll just echo orion’s main thesis: boohoo!

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
But you miss the finer point. The US government does not know how to enforce anything.

So yeah, I’ll just echo orion’s main thesis: boohoo![/quote]

And thus the level of frustration regarding our unsecured borders . . .

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
But you miss the finer point. The US government does not know how to enforce anything.

So yeah, I’ll just echo orion’s main thesis: boohoo![/quote]

And thus the level of frustration regarding our unsecured borders . . . [/quote]

Immigration comes down to nothing more than property rights.

The government does not have a right to tell private property owners who can work for them or who can rent from them.

I should be able to invite anyone I want to come across the border to work for me or live on my property. It would then be my responsibility to ensure they do not “misbehave”.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
But you miss the finer point. The US government does not know how to enforce anything.

So yeah, I’ll just echo orion’s main thesis: boohoo![/quote]

And thus the level of frustration regarding our unsecured borders . . . [/quote]

Immigration comes down to nothing more than property rights.

The government does not have a right to tell private property owners who can work for them or who can rent from them.

I should be able to invite anyone I want to come across the border to work for me or live on my property. It would then be my responsibility to ensure they do not “misbehave”.[/quote]

What happens when those same people overpower you? And since the government has no say (according to what you want in your claim that the govt butt out), they will not come to help you out. After all, they should not have a say.

Would you allow child molestors, rapists, and murderers in the effort of maintaining slave wages?

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
But you miss the finer point. The US government does not know how to enforce anything.

So yeah, I’ll just echo orion’s main thesis: boohoo![/quote]

And thus the level of frustration regarding our unsecured borders . . . [/quote]

Immigration comes down to nothing more than property rights.

The government does not have a right to tell private property owners who can work for them or who can rent from them.

I should be able to invite anyone I want to come across the border to work for me or live on my property. It would then be my responsibility to ensure they do not “misbehave”.[/quote]

The national government, as part of its constitutional mandate to provide for the common defense, does have the right to control border access. There is a compelling interest on the part of the national government to know who is coming and going through its various parts of entry as well as who is circumventing that legal entry method. The needs/rights of the individual to have someone come to work for them is not violated as there are immigration policies for such circumstances. The current US systems fails on two points - failure to enforce the law and failure to streamline the visa application process. - both are failures to provide adequate resources for the task.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
But you miss the finer point. The US government does not know how to enforce anything.

So yeah, I’ll just echo orion’s main thesis: boohoo![/quote]

And thus the level of frustration regarding our unsecured borders . . . [/quote]

Immigration comes down to nothing more than property rights.

The government does not have a right to tell private property owners who can work for them or who can rent from them.

I should be able to invite anyone I want to come across the border to work for me or live on my property. It would then be my responsibility to ensure they do not “misbehave”.[/quote]

What happens when those same people overpower you? And since the government has no say (according to what you want in your claim that the govt butt out), they will not come to help you out. After all, they should not have a say.

Would you allow child molestors, rapists, and murderers in the effort of maintaining slave wages?[/quote]

You allow Hollywood to influence your thinking too much. The vast majority of those people you describe would not be here if government had any respect for you and your property rights.

Why would anyone invite people “in” to live that they did not know?

And even still, under the system I advocate I could not use government services to “protect” my property and neither is immigration a relevant topic since borders would essentially just become property lines.

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
But you miss the finer point. The US government does not know how to enforce anything.

So yeah, I’ll just echo orion’s main thesis: boohoo![/quote]

And thus the level of frustration regarding our unsecured borders . . . [/quote]

Immigration comes down to nothing more than property rights.

The government does not have a right to tell private property owners who can work for them or who can rent from them.

I should be able to invite anyone I want to come across the border to work for me or live on my property. It would then be my responsibility to ensure they do not “misbehave”.[/quote]

The national government, as part of its constitutional mandate to provide for the common defense, does have the right to control border access. There is a compelling interest on the part of the national government to know who is coming and going through its various parts of entry as well as who is circumventing that legal entry method. The needs/rights of the individual to have someone come to work for them is not violated as there are immigration policies for such circumstances. The current US systems fails on two points - failure to enforce the law and failure to streamline the visa application process. - both are failures to provide adequate resources for the task.[/quote]

Governments have no rights. Individuals do. The government’s mandate is to protect property rights, yet in order to regulate immigration it must ignore property rights. None have the right to tell me who can or cannot make use of my property.

I really don’t care about the concept of the nation state or the arbitrary rules they makes up regarding who is allowed in or not.

Natural law still reigns supreme.

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I think drug cartels would love your system, if they had to fight only you instead of a government agency like the Border Patrol, they would gladly accept that system. These people have kidnapped and murdered politicians, what do you think they will do to you?

I don’t think people understand what is happening in Arizona, it is like the Wild West down there, literally. Border Patrol agents are getting ambushed with AK-47’s, not slingshots or BB guns.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I think drug cartels would love your system, if they had to fight only you instead of a government agency like the Border Patrol, they would gladly accept that system. These people have kidnapped and murdered politicians, what do you think they will do to you?

I don’t think people understand what is happening in Arizona, it is like the Wild West down there, literally. Border Patrol agents are getting ambushed with AK-47’s, not slingshots or BB guns. [/quote]

Drug cartels in a world of no prohibition?

Do tell.

Again, turn off the boob-tube and do some critical thinking.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I think drug cartels would love your system, if they had to fight only you instead of a government agency like the Border Patrol, they would gladly accept that system. These people have kidnapped and murdered politicians, what do you think they will do to you?

I don’t think people understand what is happening in Arizona, it is like the Wild West down there, literally. Border Patrol agents are getting ambushed with AK-47’s, not slingshots or BB guns. [/quote]

Drug cartels in a world of no prohibition?

Do tell.

Again, turn off the boob-tube and do some critical thinking.[/quote]

Do you think they will all of a sudden stop competing among each other? They will all gather in a moment of kumbaya?