In my society the federal government would not have the power to do those programs. The illegals would be forced to go through the states. After a few go bankrupt the states would put a stop to them.
[quote]grayman19 wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
I got hit by a Caucasian woman on a crossing after one car (the one closest to me) had already stopped. She was going 60km/h (about 37-40 mph for you imperialists) when she hit me, and put me in hospital for a month. She also sped up after hitting me and tried to escape. She, however, was not in the country illegally.
It is disingenuous to relate both of these things together as you and the media are attempting to do now. He is a reckless driver. He is an illegal immigrant. These are separate issues.[/quote]
You failed to see the point that as an illegal alien, he should not have been there in the first place. Just imagine if laws were enforced, and he was detained before he hit those 4 girls.
I think we should pass a law that absolves a person of any assault charges if you try to detain an illegal alien, meaning you can whoop his ass blind and not get sued for it. This guy is a hero. I am waiting for some big shot politician to be hit by an illegal alien, maybe then we might see some action. [/quote]
Absolutely! That would be a damnned good law!!
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Yes, it would be downright phantastic!
Could we somehow attach bright signs to them so that we know who we can safely beat up?
Btw, if I was one of them, I would shoot you if you came near me or my family with that intentions.
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That’s why we need to have tougher borders with machine guns and mine fields. As our people become desperate to fight off this virtual invasion, they’ll become more violent and the illegals will become more violent also. Its happening now. Nip it at the border.
Phoenix is now the #2 kidnap capital in the world, I think. Nip it at the GD border, Obama. Do your damn job, scumbucket!!!
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Unfortunately, lining a 1969 mile border with mines, soldiers, and machine guns would not only constitute nearly declaring war on Mexico itself, it would also cost an enormous sum of money, which requires tax increases to pay for it. A boatload of people are for the whole border protection deal, but nobody wants to PAY FOR IT. Add that to the fact that landmines cannot tell the difference between a kid chasing a soccer ball and a drug mule, throw a few pictures of kids on crutches into the mix, and America’s situation abroad rapidly declines.
And really, a law saying you can beat on another human with full protection? Do I really need to explain how stupid this sounds? What happens when a mob beats an illegal immigrant to death, and claims full protection of the law. Even worse, what happens when a mob beats a LEGAL immigrant to death? The government cannot create that law. It is stupid beyond measure. What happens when your dumb ass gets stabbed trying to claim that law. [/quote]
Any more lib things you want to throw in there? Playing soccer in a mine field?? LOL!!
We should draft libs like you and have YOU guard the border. That’d probably cure you of all your lib notions.
[quote]orion wrote:
And if he would not have eaten breakfast that morning, and if the girls would have been distracted 10 minutes earliers and arrived a little later at the place of accident and so further and so on.
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All probably true. All of which miss the point.
There is nothing wrong with not eating breakfast. There is nothing wrong with the girls being distracted. There is nothing wrong with this shitstain being born.
There is something wrong with illegally entering the US.
Entering the US didn’t cause him to run over the girls. However if we had proper border to control he would not have hit the girls. It is very simple.
The OP is stating “A positive benefit of removing illegals is illegals running people over becomes far less likely”. Then providing articles to state that illegals do in fact hit and run quite regularly.
While on its own it is almost a non-issue, because citizens also have accidents duh, it certainly adds weight to the other problems caused by illegals.
[quote]thefederalist wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
They should deport his ass back to …?
Oh wait, wut?[/quote]
I don’t get it.
I get that citizens also commit hit and run. But if not for the man being here illegally, he would not have hit those girls.
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and if you never posted on T-Nation i would never get bone while lurking.
seriously, although you are absolutely correct, a proclivity for hit and runs is not an inherent quality of illegal aliens but an incidental quality of this one. your argument can be applied to anything: were x not here y wouldn’t have happened. it’s stupid and, i don’t mean to patronize you, but you’re smarter than that. [/quote]
The bad thing about attempting to patronize me is you would look very shabby as I am absolutely correct. Because I am smart. I know of what I speak.
If not but for the fact that man was here illegally, those girls would not have been struck by the car he was driving.
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[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
They should deport his ass back to …?
Oh wait, wut?[/quote]
I don’t get it.
I get that citizens also commit hit and run. But if not for the man being here illegally, he would not have hit those girls.
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And if he would not have eaten breakfast that morning, and if the girls would have been distracted 10 minutes earliers and arrived a little later at the place of accident and so further and so on.
Establishing causality is in no way sufficient to lay any kind of blame on him.
If that was the way it worked you would have to jail a lot of people.
Shit happens and how he came into the country has little to do with it.
Interestingly enough, after the Arizona bruhaha, fleeing from an accident is the only rational reaction for any illegal alien after an accident.
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don’t be pedantic. He should not have been here. If he were not here the accident would not have happened.
The end.
[quote]phaethon wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
And if he would not have eaten breakfast that morning, and if the girls would have been distracted 10 minutes earliers and arrived a little later at the place of accident and so further and so on.
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All probably true. All of which miss the point.
There is nothing wrong with not eating breakfast. There is nothing wrong with the girls being distracted. There is nothing wrong with this shitstain being born.
There is something wrong with illegally entering the US.
Entering the US didn’t cause him to run over the girls. However if we had proper border to control he would not have hit the girls. It is very simple.
The OP is stating “A positive benefit of removing illegals is illegals running people over becomes far less likely”. Then providing articles to state that illegals do in fact hit and run quite regularly.
While on its own it is almost a non-issue, because citizens also have accidents duh, it certainly adds weight to the other problems caused by illegals.[/quote]
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If that girl had not been there she’d still be alive regardless if it was a “illegal” immigrant or not.
See? I can play around with causality, too.
You might be “smart” but it is a very simple kind of smart – very simple, indeed.
This happened in San Diego this weekend.
An hour-long 100mph chase of illegals.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
If that girl had not been there she’d still be alive regardless if it was a “illegal” immigrant or not.
See? I can play around with causality, too. [/quote]
Cough I have already covered this kind of statement…
[quote]phaethon wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
If that girl had not been there she’d still be alive regardless if it was a “illegal” immigrant or not.
See? I can play around with causality, too. [/quote]
Cough I have already covered this kind of statement…[/quote]
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So basically, if he were in the US legally and hit those girls, this would be a non-issue?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
So basically, if he were in the US legally and hit those girls, this would be a non-issue?[/quote]
No.
The issue is what he is, that being, here illegally. If he had not been allowed to enter illegally he would not have been here, he would not be continuing his criminal behavior first of border jumping, second of driving without a license, and third fleeing the scene of an accident after mowing down 4 people.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
So basically, if he were in the US legally and hit those girls, this would be a non-issue?[/quote]
If he was a citizen, he would at least be allowed to be driving in our country legally.
Think about this Mak, as an illegal alien without a drivers license, he has not shown the ability to drive a vehicle, understand the rules and laws of the road, or even read the signs written in English. Those are 3 factors that citizens can show when obtaining an American drivers license. Remember, the article said nothing about drinking or drugs, so he was not drunk or high. He was a fucking reckless piece of shit who should not have been there, he has not a care in the world for our laws, by jumping the border illegally. Fuck him.
…make the whole north-american continent one economic entity where workers can migrate freely between nations. Problem solved…
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…make the whole north-american continent one economic entity where workers can migrate freely between nations. Problem solved…[/quote]
I have a counter offer: Mexico and the Netherlands can become one economic entity where workers can migrate freely between the two nations. The US, being the kind chaps they are, will even pay the transportation costs (by boat) of the Mexican nationals.
We can start with the illegal immigrants currently living in the US. Euro’s always mention how illegals are actually an asset so I’m sure you will be delighted to take them.
[quote]phaethon wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…make the whole north-american continent one economic entity where workers can migrate freely between nations. Problem solved…[/quote]
I have a counter offer: Mexico and the Netherlands can become one economic entity where workers can migrate freely between the two nations. The US, being the kind chaps they are, will even pay the transportation costs (by boat) of the Mexican nationals.
We can start with the illegal immigrants currently living in the US. Euro’s always mention how illegals are actually an asset so I’m sure you will be delighted to take them.[/quote]
…make that Mexico and Europe, since most of Europe is one economic commonwealth where workers from those nations can move and work anywhere within the commonwealth without restrictions…
[quote]phaethon wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…make the whole north-american continent one economic entity where workers can migrate freely between nations. Problem solved…[/quote]
I have a counter offer: Mexico and the Netherlands can become one economic entity where workers can migrate freely between the two nations. The US, being the kind chaps they are, will even pay the transportation costs (by boat) of the Mexican nationals.
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You know that we have already done similar things several times, right?
Lets see, we did it with Turkey, Spain, Portugal, Poland, Roumania, Bulgaria, Estland, Lithuania, Hungaria, Slovakia and so further and so on.
Boohoo, now that thought really scares us.
As in, not in the least.
As a quick encore, take a look at the map of Europe where Austria actually is and look at exactly how many of former Eastern European countries with a living standard far below ours have borders with us.
Not only that, 15 years ago there was a genocidal war going on right across our borders where Serbian Migs actually invaded Austrian airspace to attack Slowenian outposts and our Army was drawn to our Southern border in order to defend our country if need be.
So you say there are a lot of Mexicans in your country?
That must be downright terrifying.
Well, go for it. Do it again with Mexico. Have fun.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, go for it. Do it again with Mexico. Have fun.[/quote]
So you are saying that the mighty US cannot stomach problems that itsy bitsy tiny Austria already has mastered more or less successfully?
Do you want us to send you experts?
We would you know, if you ask nicely.