Illegal Alien Hit and Run Driver

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Sloth wrote:
I could give two craps about his expectations. I do care about what actually happened. A law breaker, who probably wouldn’t have been in the country to hit these girls if we had been enforcing our LAWS, fled from the law. The same thing with all the kidnappings, gangs, ranchers being shot on their own property, etc.[/quote]

That invokes old German tribal law, it is not the intent that matters, but the outcome.

But even they had to make exceptions and would probably not have stood for the ridiculous theory that those girls are dead because he jumped the border.

You might as well blame his mother or the first girl he kissed.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Poor citizen: “Hey, ok, I’ll try this standing on my own two feet thing you’ve talking about, Orion. I’ll help you oppose the nanny state. However, I am going to need a job to support my family, then. Now, I don’t have a college education, or even a trade skill, but I’m a hard worker and don’t mind some back breaking work if it feeds the family. Would you happen to have a job for me?”

Orion: “That’s good news! Really the greedy nanny state is what’s actually destroying your upward mobility. Oh, and no, sorry. I just hired some South American. Yeah his family is still back home where remitted American dollars go very, very, far. Hey, you know how many people my guys cram into a single bedroom apartment? It’s crazy! But yeah, a job…Sorry man, you’re a low skilled native laborer with a family. Now, if you decide to send your family to mexico or something, rent a piece of floor from my guy and his roommates, maybe I can offer you a wage you can ‘live’ on. Remember, vote Ron Paul!”[/quote]

So because poorp people who stay poor are poor for a reason I am wrong?

That is funny, because methinks that that is an excellent point against taking their opinions too seriously.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Poor citizen: “Hey, ok, I’ll try this standing on my own two feet thing you’ve talking about, Orion. I’ll help you oppose the nanny state. However, I am going to need a job to support my family, then. Now, I don’t have a college education, or even a trade skill, but I’m a hard worker and don’t mind some back breaking work if it feeds the family. Would you happen to have a job for me?”

Orion: “That’s good news! Really the greedy nanny state is what’s actually destroying your upward mobility. Oh, and no, sorry. I just hired some South American. Yeah his family is still back home where remitted American dollars go very, very, far. Hey, you know how many people my guys cram into a single bedroom apartment? It’s crazy! But yeah, a job…Sorry man, you’re a low skilled native laborer with a family. Now, if you decide to send your family to mexico or something, rent a piece of floor from my guy and his roommates, maybe I can offer you a wage you can ‘live’ on. Remember, vote Ron Paul!”[/quote]

So because poorp people who stay poor are poor for a reason I am wrong?

That is funny, because methinks that that is an excellent point against taking their opinions too seriously.

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And this is exactly why libertarianism is a stillborn ideology. You ridicule the lower classes and their families. You’ll just truck in some foriegn workers who are satisfied with any lot in life just above that of their previous 3rd world shantytown existence. Then one day, your castaway fellow countrymen, and your third world help, realize they massively outnumber you. Back to the nanny state. Or, perhaps, again, a full blown People’s Revolution.

Or, let me guess. There’s this dream that your country-men won’t ever have to turn a shovel. You’ll all be graying, barren, highly educated managers, supervisors, engineers, scientists, and CEO’s. All overseeing a never ending, competing, sea of desperate and fertile foriegners swarming into your nation. Get real.

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Sloth you are putting the cart before the horse when you talk about open borders, no libertarian in there right mind would support open borders until laissez faire is implemented.

When you have no government interference in the market then you can open the borders, until then you have to secure the boarded.

Laissez faire is the only way an economy can survive, regulations lead to corruption, corruption leads to a bubble, bubble pops and sends country into a deflationary depression or an inflationary depression.

It seems the Republicans just don’t get it yet, the more I talk to them the more and more I am thinking about voting democrat and sinking there ship.

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[quote]John S. wrote:
Sloth you are putting the cart before the horse when you talk about open borders, no libertarian in there right mind would support open borders until laissez faire is implemented.

When you have no government interference in the market then you can open the borders, until then you have to secure the boarded.

Laissez faire is the only way an economy can survive, regulations lead to corruption, corruption leads to a bubble, bubble pops and sends country into a deflationary depression or an inflationary depression.

It seems the Republicans just don’t get it yet, the more I talk to them the more and more I am thinking about voting democrat and sinking there ship.[/quote]

Yeah, because, when a couple hundred million come swarming over your border, can’t find jobs, find themselves living on the street in a alien culture, your laissez fair isn’t going to last long. If the limited mass of native-born poor citizenry was enough to launch and grow the welfare state in this country, what in the heck has given you the confidence that the addition of wave after massive wave of poverty ridden immigrants are going to be all “Gee, we got here and we’re living like rats in our ghettos. Yay laizzes faire! I’m not voting for those guys promising to reinstate healthcare, WIC, SS and medicaid. Nossiree”

No, it’s the libertarian that doesn’t get it. Libertarians are no less living in a fantasyworld than their Marxist brothers.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:
Sloth you are putting the cart before the horse when you talk about open borders, no libertarian in there right mind would support open borders until laissez faire is implemented.

When you have no government interference in the market then you can open the borders, until then you have to secure the boarded.

Laissez faire is the only way an economy can survive, regulations lead to corruption, corruption leads to a bubble, bubble pops and sends country into a deflationary depression or an inflationary depression.

It seems the Republicans just don’t get it yet, the more I talk to them the more and more I am thinking about voting democrat and sinking there ship.[/quote]

Yeah, because, when a couple hundred million come swarming over your border, can’t find jobs, find themselves living on the street in a alien culture, your laissez fair isn’t going to last long. If the limited mass of native-born poor citizenry was enough to launch and grow the welfare state in this country, what in the heck has given you the confidence that the addition of wave after massive wave of poverty ridden immigrants are going to be all “Gee, we got here and we’re living like rats in our ghettos. Yay laizzes faire! I’m not voting for those guys promising to reinstate healthcare, WIC, SS and medicaid. Nossiree”

No, it’s the libertarian that doesn’t get it. Libertarians are no less living in a fantasyworld than their Marxist brothers. [/quote]

Yeah well, those are excellent arguments against too much democracy.

If I had any hopes that this system was able to save itself I might agree with you.

Alas, I am not.

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The real world is imperfect. The real world has limits. You want some kind of free market to remain? You had best damn make sure you haven’t tossed your working poor, your physical non-skilled labor, under the bus. Eventually, they will give up on you, make common cause with their replacements, and tear your asses down to their level. If not through the power of the vote, then through the force of numbers and violence.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Yeah well, those are excellent arguments against too much democracy.

If I had any hopes that this system was able to save itself I might agree with you.

Alas, I am not.

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Me neither. But I’m not holding out on some pipe dream that free markets will seen as the savior. I guarantee you, with or without democracy, free markets (even with whatever amount of state intervention is present) WILL get the blame. You guys are waiting for a revolution, and you’ll probably get one. But isn’t going to be the one you wanted.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
The real world is imperfect. The real world has limits. You want some kind of free market to remain? You had best damn make sure you haven’t tossed your working poor, your physical non-skilled labor, under the bus. Eventually, they will give up on you, make common cause with their replacements, and tear your asses down to their level. If not through the power of the vote, then through the force of numbers and violence.[/quote]

And why should I compromise if that is going to happen anyway?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Yeah well, those are excellent arguments against too much democracy.

If I had any hopes that this system was able to save itself I might agree with you.

Alas, I am not.

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Me neither. But I’m not holding out on some pipe dream that free markets will seen as the savior. I guarantee you, with or without democracy, free markets (with whatever amount of state intervention is present) WILL get the blame. You guys are waiting for a revolution, and you’ll probably get one. But isn’t going to be the one you wanted. [/quote]

Sooner ir later it will be.

In the mean time, il faut cultiver son jardin.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
The real world is imperfect. The real world has limits. You want some kind of free market to remain? You had best damn make sure you haven’t tossed your working poor, your physical non-skilled labor, under the bus. Eventually, they will give up on you, make common cause with their replacements, and tear your asses down to their level. If not through the power of the vote, then through the force of numbers and violence.[/quote]

And why should I compromise if that is going to happen anyway?

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For the sake, of maybe, just maybe, keeping the lives of your own limited native population tolerable. Maybe even able to turn a shovel and still raise their own children! And maybe, just maybe, averting what will happen if you swamp your country with an unlimited number of unassimilated poor, to replace your own poor. The lower/working class poor, whose depedency on the government you despise…yet, whose jobs are–too damn bad–exportable…and whose jobs which do remain are more ‘efficiently’ filled–too damn bad–by a mass of people happy to simply have something in their stomach (for a short time, then the prostests, then the riots, then the revolution starts)…Libertarianism is a dead end.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
The real world is imperfect. The real world has limits. You want some kind of free market to remain? You had best damn make sure you haven’t tossed your working poor, your physical non-skilled labor, under the bus. Eventually, they will give up on you, make common cause with their replacements, and tear your asses down to their level. If not through the power of the vote, then through the force of numbers and violence.[/quote]

And why should I compromise if that is going to happen anyway?

[/quote]

For the sake, of maybe, just maybe, keeping the lives of your own limited native population tolerable. Maybe even able to turn a shovel and still raise their own children! And maybe, just maybe, averting what will happen if you swamp your country with an unlimited number of unassimilated poor, to replace your own poor. The lower/working class poor, whose depedency on the government you despise…yet, whose jobs are–too damn bad–exportable…and whose jobs that do remain are more ‘efficiently’ by a mass of people happy to simply have something in their stomach…Libertarianism is a dead end. [/quote]

No, it means accepting reality, how ugly it might be.

You can indulge in wishful thinking if you wish, but what good wilkl it do?

You seem to think that to harbor some illusions about how the world works will do you any good, but when was that ever true of anybody?

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

The man hit 4 teenage girls that were crossing the street in a crosswalk. Then he took off but was chased down and stopped by a good samaritan. Not only is he a border jumper, he doesn’t have a license to drive a car. Obviously the laws of the USA mean nothing to this person.

Anyone that lives in San Diego knows to keep away from folks with Baja plates…

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=7452987[/quote]

Turn off the cameras let the coppers use their billy clubs on the SOB’s head…the harder the better.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
I got hit by a Caucasian woman on a crossing after one car (the one closest to me) had already stopped. She was going 60km/h (about 37-40 mph for you imperialists) when she hit me, and put me in hospital for a month. She also sped up after hitting me and tried to escape. She, however, was not in the country illegally.

It is disingenuous to relate both of these things together as you and the media are attempting to do now. He is a reckless driver. He is an illegal immigrant. These are separate issues.[/quote]

You failed to see the point that as an illegal alien, he should not have been there in the first place. Just imagine if laws were enforced, and he was detained before he hit those 4 girls.

I think we should pass a law that absolves a person of any assault charges if you try to detain an illegal alien, meaning you can whoop his ass blind and not get sued for it. This guy is a hero. I am waiting for some big shot politician to be hit by an illegal alien, maybe then we might see some action. [/quote]

Absolutely! That would be a damnned good law!!

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
I got hit by a Caucasian woman on a crossing after one car (the one closest to me) had already stopped. She was going 60km/h (about 37-40 mph for you imperialists) when she hit me, and put me in hospital for a month. She also sped up after hitting me and tried to escape. She, however, was not in the country illegally.

It is disingenuous to relate both of these things together as you and the media are attempting to do now. He is a reckless driver. He is an illegal immigrant. These are separate issues.[/quote]

You failed to see the point that as an illegal alien, he should not have been there in the first place. Just imagine if laws were enforced, and he was detained before he hit those 4 girls.

I think we should pass a law that absolves a person of any assault charges if you try to detain an illegal alien, meaning you can whoop his ass blind and not get sued for it. This guy is a hero. I am waiting for some big shot politician to be hit by an illegal alien, maybe then we might see some action. [/quote]

Absolutely! That would be a damnned good law!!
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Yes, it would be downright phantastic!

Could we somehow attach bright signs to them so that we know who we can safely beat up?

Btw, if I was one of them, I would shoot you if you came near me or my family with that intentions.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
I got hit by a Caucasian woman on a crossing after one car (the one closest to me) had already stopped. She was going 60km/h (about 37-40 mph for you imperialists) when she hit me, and put me in hospital for a month. She also sped up after hitting me and tried to escape. She, however, was not in the country illegally.

It is disingenuous to relate both of these things together as you and the media are attempting to do now. He is a reckless driver. He is an illegal immigrant. These are separate issues.[/quote]

You failed to see the point that as an illegal alien, he should not have been there in the first place. Just imagine if laws were enforced, and he was detained before he hit those 4 girls.

I think we should pass a law that absolves a person of any assault charges if you try to detain an illegal alien, meaning you can whoop his ass blind and not get sued for it. This guy is a hero. I am waiting for some big shot politician to be hit by an illegal alien, maybe then we might see some action. [/quote]

Absolutely! That would be a damnned good law!!
[/quote]

Yes, it would be downright phantastic!

Could we somehow attach bright signs to them so that we know who we can safely beat up?

Btw, if I was one of them, I would shoot you if you came near me or my family with that intentions.

[/quote]

That’s why we need to have tougher borders with machine guns and mine fields. As our people become desperate to fight off this virtual invasion, they’ll become more violent and the illegals will become more violent also. Its happening now. Nip it at the border.

Phoenix is now the #2 kidnap capital in the world, I think. Nip it at the GD border, Obama. Do your damn job, scumbucket!!!

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
I got hit by a Caucasian woman on a crossing after one car (the one closest to me) had already stopped. She was going 60km/h (about 37-40 mph for you imperialists) when she hit me, and put me in hospital for a month. She also sped up after hitting me and tried to escape. She, however, was not in the country illegally.

It is disingenuous to relate both of these things together as you and the media are attempting to do now. He is a reckless driver. He is an illegal immigrant. These are separate issues.[/quote]

You failed to see the point that as an illegal alien, he should not have been there in the first place. Just imagine if laws were enforced, and he was detained before he hit those 4 girls.

I think we should pass a law that absolves a person of any assault charges if you try to detain an illegal alien, meaning you can whoop his ass blind and not get sued for it. This guy is a hero. I am waiting for some big shot politician to be hit by an illegal alien, maybe then we might see some action. [/quote]

Absolutely! That would be a damnned good law!!
[/quote]

Yes, it would be downright phantastic!

Could we somehow attach bright signs to them so that we know who we can safely beat up?

Btw, if I was one of them, I would shoot you if you came near me or my family with that intentions.

[/quote]

That’s why we need to have tougher borders with machine guns and mine fields. As our people become desperate to fight off this virtual invasion, they’ll become more violent and the illegals will become more violent also. Its happening now. Nip it at the border.

Phoenix is now the #2 kidnap capital in the world, I think. Nip it at the GD border, Obama. Do your damn job, scumbucket!!!
[/quote]

So in order that people should not behave lkike a mindless mob the government should act like a mindless mob for them?

Excellent!

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No, reallyy, I think we should institutionalize the things we fear most.

Next, let us legalize torture and hang drug dealers.

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I got to describing how the working lower class-imported and native-would overturn laissez faire, bringing back a centralized power, that I forgot the other class who’d also work to unravel laissez faire. The capitalist himself.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
I got hit by a Caucasian woman on a crossing after one car (the one closest to me) had already stopped. She was going 60km/h (about 37-40 mph for you imperialists) when she hit me, and put me in hospital for a month. She also sped up after hitting me and tried to escape. She, however, was not in the country illegally.

It is disingenuous to relate both of these things together as you and the media are attempting to do now. He is a reckless driver. He is an illegal immigrant. These are separate issues.[/quote]

You failed to see the point that as an illegal alien, he should not have been there in the first place. Just imagine if laws were enforced, and he was detained before he hit those 4 girls.

I think we should pass a law that absolves a person of any assault charges if you try to detain an illegal alien, meaning you can whoop his ass blind and not get sued for it. This guy is a hero. I am waiting for some big shot politician to be hit by an illegal alien, maybe then we might see some action. [/quote]

Absolutely! That would be a damnned good law!!
[/quote]

Yes, it would be downright phantastic!

Could we somehow attach bright signs to them so that we know who we can safely beat up?

Btw, if I was one of them, I would shoot you if you came near me or my family with that intentions.

[/quote]

That’s why we need to have tougher borders with machine guns and mine fields. As our people become desperate to fight off this virtual invasion, they’ll become more violent and the illegals will become more violent also. Its happening now. Nip it at the border.

Phoenix is now the #2 kidnap capital in the world, I think. Nip it at the GD border, Obama. Do your damn job, scumbucket!!!
[/quote]

Unfortunately, lining a 1969 mile border with mines, soldiers, and machine guns would not only constitute nearly declaring war on Mexico itself, it would also cost an enormous sum of money, which requires tax increases to pay for it. A boatload of people are for the whole border protection deal, but nobody wants to PAY FOR IT. Add that to the fact that landmines cannot tell the difference between a kid chasing a soccer ball and a drug mule, throw a few pictures of kids on crutches into the mix, and America’s situation abroad rapidly declines.

And really, a law saying you can beat on another human with full protection? Do I really need to explain how stupid this sounds? What happens when a mob beats an illegal immigrant to death, and claims full protection of the law. Even worse, what happens when a mob beats a LEGAL immigrant to death? The government cannot create that law. It is stupid beyond measure. What happens when your dumb ass gets stabbed trying to claim that law.