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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Frankly it scares me worse than injecting (trace amounts of) estradiol benzoate does though. Could be irrational, I admit.[/quote]

I don’t think it is irrational. I presume you are aware that a male contraceptive pill is being developed ? It is made up of testosterone and progestin. It is likely to become available in the UK and Europe first.

Just a brief extract I came across:

"David Handelsman

Yes. In fact, the male and female systems, hormonal contraception works on very similar principals in men and women. And that’s why in fact we can use progestones quite effectively in men to switch off sperm and testosterone production. But then as in women, they have to get oestrogen back - men, we have to give back testosterone.

Narration

It turns out that if you inject men with the right amount of progesterone - the same hormone in the female pill - sperm production falls to zero. But so does testosterone - which is what makes men men. So the testosterone has to be put back. It’s not a very appealing procedure. But Handelsman’s trials show that it works. What he needs is a company to turn this prototype method into a product that men would actually want to use."

So given how they seriously they screwed up with us, specially with that Depro-Provera endicrinological bomb, I don’t think your fears are unfounded.

Again, there is little research with natural progesterone and men because it is not profitable.
There have been reports of men experiencing great benefits from applying natural progesterone cream on their pre-menopausal partners - that is where the cream benefits for men came more into light.

My supplier advertises the progesterone injections ( obviously synthetic, as my rash, which is still unfolding on my face, testifies to ) for men like this:

" * Appetite and weight loss in AIDS and cancer patients
* Lack of Libido
* Men with BPH (swelling of the prostate) and other male related problems will appreciate the speed of relief with progesterone "

The men who attend this forum are well supplied of and know better about injecting testosterone than any doctor, so as long as you guys are topped up on the test and stay away from progestin, natural progesterone at low doses might open the door to balancing your organism specially from steroid cycles ( You are correct about the nastiness of progestin based compounds; I don’t think men should use it. I don’t think women should use it but we have already been and continuously are ‘ran over by the bus’ of contraceptive pills so it is “ok” for us ).

I see potential for Biotest to come up with a natural progesterone cream ( like that 11-T supplement ) to counteract side effects like you and I are experiencing with this rash, for instance. Or even the acne from AAS use; natural progesterone cream when applied on the face is supposed to have excellent results on complexion. What if small natural progesterone cream could be used in conjunction with AAS use? If you get the right ratio, could you reap the best of both progesterone and testosterone combined? Could it lessen estrogen rebound?

Could the use of peptides like GHRP and IGF-1 and even rHGH be synergistically improved, or side effects counter balanced by a natural progesterone cream?

Bill Roberts, you have homework.

Makes us proud.

: D

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:slight_smile:

I am going to look into it. It’s certainly a reasonable idea that if levels are substantially lower than they were in say the mid-20’s, then a very small topically applied amount just barely sufficient to restore levels to that could be a good idea. Overshooting, for the reasons you say, would be a truly bad thing.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
:slight_smile:

I am going to look into it. It’s certainly a reasonable idea that if levels are substantially lower than they were in say the mid-20’s, then a very small topically applied amount just barely sufficient to restore levels to that could be a good idea. Overshooting, for the reasons you say, would be a truly bad thing.[/quote]

Sure. But when you start making millions from this new supplement remember who gave you the coordinates…

At least give me a ride on your new Gucci racer motorbike!

: D

I am awaiting for delivery of a natural progesterone cream. I will let you know if it improves the rash.

Have fun on the research!

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Thanks! :slight_smile:

And, if only on the Guzzi!

Realistically, at the point that I can do so I’d go for the Aprilia RSV4. The more normal thing (for me) to do would be to get the ZX-10R, as again it’s the best of the Japanese superbikes, but it’s actually looking like the Aprilia may have it beat all-around. (Treasonous of me to say, but it could be the case.)

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In the US, I may be mistaken but I think it is sold in health food / supplement stores. Not necessarily a supplement place such as GNC or Vitamin Shoppe, but the sort of place that has a vegetarian supermarket as well, and all kinds of pasty, dough-y looking vegetarians going up and down the aisles.

I don’t know about in the UK. Quite reasonably, a hormone cream might well not be available over the counter there.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
I am awaiting for delivery of a natural progesterone cream. I will let you know if it improves the rash.

If you can spare some of the cream, I’ll try it out :slight_smile:

BBB[/quote]

Sure. I will bring it with me when I come up for the assessment. I will also bring 1 vial of the ‘synthetic rash’ if you are feeling adventurous…( I wonder if one can apply some of the oil in the vial topically…)

…and then you are going to let me go for a drive on your Porshe, yes!?

: D

Have you all noticed just how full of conditional love I am…
Oh well, at least you know exactly what I want from you, eh?

On a serious note, BBB, you mentioned on the another thread using GHRP to heal knee ligament issues.

Can I use GHRP with Allflutops ( which I have been injecting ) to deal with a meniscus tear?

Would a GHRP, IGF-1 treatment be of any benefit for strengthening/building muscle/cartilage on bony hands and feet? I am very unlucky in the sense my extremities are not build like the rest of me and I hurt myself during martial arts and boxing because my hands and feet cannot withstand the impact.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
In the US, I may be mistaken but I think it is sold in health food / supplement stores. Not necessarily a supplement place such as GNC or Vitamin Shoppe, but the sort of place that has a vegetarian supermarket as well, and all kinds of pasty, dough-y looking vegetarians going up and down the aisles.

I don’t know about in the UK. Quite reasonably, a hormone cream might well not be available over the counter there.
[/quote]

I had one spot/red dot appear on the back of my hand today…quite bizarre.
I ordered the cream from the US. It is called Renaissance Natural Progesterone Cream.

https://shop.sixwise.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=173

It is advertised on the above link as a natural anti depressant as well and talks about use to combat estrogen dominance from environmental factors .
Like you said, it’s about restoring the balance to the original levels.

And then feeling free to get that Aprilia bike…

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“Most martial arts are only light contact anyway”

I just realised that how much have changed over the year.
Lethal contact >> light contact
I think most martial arts should be called “martial art style demostration” lol

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

The problem with joints Vs impact is that joints obviously have no muscle on them to directly absorb shock loading via impact.[/quote]

I obviously ignore this law dearly and completely - I hit the pad like there is no tomorrow. I don’t know that I can strengthen muscles on my wrists and ankles sufficiently either, since the rest of me will always greatly over power these parts.
I believe I am genetically cut out to be a butterfly swimmer, as the combination of power and grace - required for both hands and feet entering and exiting the water, means I can be fully explosive and can “hit” the water at high impact and not suffer injury.[quote]

Cartilage cannot be thickened or you completely reduce joint space, rendering the joint useless.

If boxing then it is essential to wear wrist wraps, as these close down joint space, reducing the impact shock between cartilagenous surfaces. Feet can be protcted by padding, but not much else. Personally I try to only impact something heavy with the tibia or the instep, not the actual dorsal surface of the foot/ankle.[/quote]

I had and I still suffer from a stress fracture on my left hand which now flares up easily, which affects my confidence in lifting and severely restricts the load of weight I should be training at.
As for using the tibia and the instep of the ankle, yes, I have been taught that but when it comes to side kicks I experience I much better output of power when I hit the pad with the dorsal surface of the foot - using the tibia does not feel/come natural to me, in fact I have never used it. Granted I just started kicking. I have boxed before, hence the fracture.[quote]

Most martial arts are only light contact anyway. Do you practice a full-contact varient? If so, why, lol?
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Because I am capable of formidable destructive power.
I know that and I want to master it - it will lead to being fully psychologically autonomous.
And if I want to possess myself fully and become fully autonomous I need to own all that I am capable of. In order to own all I am capable of I need to dare to expand the full limits of my boundaries - and that includes my capacity for violence.

Isn’t that what this thread is all about and the steroids forum as a whole?
Asserting the fullness and completeness of experimentation?
Pushing the outside of the envelope?

I also believe, as I have alluded to in previous conversation, that violence is beautiful. There is something intrinsically spiritual about the experience of violence. I do not advocate its practice but I am against its denial. Most relationship problems start and end just there: in the existence and the denial of violence.
To be able to fully own one’s aggressions and violent nature is what makes men men and women women.
To own it does not mean you act on it - much to the contrary, you subjugate it. You don’t ‘divide and conquer’, you unite and come off completely victorious. I firmly believe in owning with humility and grace all the broken parts of what constitutes the ‘I’. See it with vision of wisdom.
A full contact martial art should enable the individual to own his/her violence and submit it to his and her own will, translating, transmuting and transforming a destructible force into an elemental power : A creative power - The power to renew the spirit and affect life constructively. The experience of being broken and being able to rebuild the self is a formidable honor. And it calls for an indomitable spirit.

The power that true art has and the power that a true “martial”, warrior artist commands.

When you recreate you command respect. When you command respect you conquer your life, yourself.

I speak of self-mastery, my friend, Self-mastery and Magnanimity is the prized result.

“Light contact” is perhaps on a deeper level a reflection of the lives we live today, disconnected, making partial attempts, partial contacts, lives half lived, only scratching the surface…isn’t that also why we all turn to drugs? To awaken the depth of our potentials, the sleepy, dormant parts and ultimately reach full contact with our beings?

Isn’t that why we are all addicted? Because we repeatedly refrain from expression of what is most profound and primordial in us?

This is also why I am profoundly bored in the world with every one only making ‘light contact’.
I aim for fully feeling and fully responding.
I want full contact because I know I can fully impact.

Or, the short answer to your question is:

Because I am a fierce fiery volcanic artist - Explode and recreate is a must.

: D

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[quote]mephistopheles wrote:

I just realised that how much have changed over the year.

I think most martial arts should be called “martial art style demostration” lol [/quote]

It is like alcohol free beer.
Fat free butter.
Caffeine free coffee.
Sugar free carbohydrates.

It’s a “demonstration of what life used to be” sort of thing.

Are we evolving or are we all on a social progesterone cycle?
Content and happy at being pregnant with life without a date to give birth to it?

So how do you think the GHRP-6 and IGF-1 protocol are going to help us with that?

phew. Nearly went off topic there

; )

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
…and then you are going to let me go for a drive on your Porshe, yes!?

Woman, if you can’t even spell ‘Porsche’, then I doubt you’ll be able to master the gearshift :wink:

But I might take you for a drive in it and let you drive it on a reasonably straight road. That’s not meant to be insulting, it’s just that I am a terrible passenger in my own classic car, lol.

BBB[/quote]

I was kidding with you! I wouldn’t dream of touching you gearstick, I mean gearshif thingy ( sorry I don’t have the vocabulary for car parts in English )

And for your information I have been a driver since the age of 13, thanks to the freedom, ahem, corruption, of growing up in Brazil. And ‘Porshe’ is “Porsche” in Brazilian - but you can’t speak that, can you?

So I forgive you.

laughs at herself

On a serious note: I will do more research on GHRP and maybe we could spend part of the assessment discussing a treatment. If there isn’t too much wrong with me already that I need to address first ( I got the progesterone cream from Long Beach California today - so all good to go ).

**Actually can you give me another month so I can look more pumped. You must tell T-Nation I am muscular and a phenomenal athlete.

I kid I kid

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I acquiesce.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
I acquiesce.[/quote]

Actually, I don’t.
( Jeezuss, I am quoting myself - runs off to get the progesterone )

I don’t see how young healthy males who are impacting their organism with repeated cycles of synthetic substances differs from making full contact with one’s nature.

We could all stop now and chose a different path if we realized how precious a healthy liver is and a healthy sperm/egg count is, and a healthy heart. Not to mention the brain cells burnt off in the process of experimenting with mind altering substances for those who don’t mind that.

Life is a violation.

A series of violations in ways that add up to a dullness, a deadness and you need more and more just to feel alive. It is either the deficiency in my joints or the deficiency in my gut. There has been a violation and there must be a vindication. We go about vindicating our selves and justifying our existence in different ways.

If we could even fathom how precious a healthy life is, and the preciousness of other people we would have no need for such extreme levels of intensity, for every thing would touch us and we would experience satisfaction, completion and sufficiency.

And that is just my experience.

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The difference is, it’s possible to take a shipload of steroids, if done the right way, and still be in fine health. I don’t at all think my health would be better in any measurable way had I never used a drop of the stuff. Personal opinion, but there’s certainly no evidence of problem.

On the other hand, what BBB is saying is that he sees situations where repeated overloads cause irreversible and serious damage with time, as a matter of fact. Whether your situation is that or not, I cannot say. Hopefully not.

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Yes, Bill but by then I will be too old to be punching anything.

I agree about the steroids and I am all for it. Our food is pumped with it, we are all ‘shiploaded’ with it already.

What I am essentially saying is that there are far too many violations; emotional, moral, environmental, etc.

I cannot possibly escape every injury to self.

There needs to be a valve of escape. A way to redeem my original equilibrium.

Injecting synthetic substances to look and feel good doesn’t rock my boat,though now that I am aging it has it’s place.

I am not built like Bruce Lee, I cannot do speed and accuracy.

I do have explosive power.

Maybe martial arts is not for me.

But I cannot deny my nature any more than I already have.

It will mean a psychological death.

Maybe I’d rather sacrifice my joints.