If Your Life Changed Overnight...

Gerg · June 12, 2008, 4:57pm

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
MsM wrote:
Your comments were really beyond inappropriate. I don’t care about my feelings and I don’t care about yours - I care about my 11 year old child whose relationship with his father has been changed forever, through no fault of his own.

You may have had a certain intention with posting this story…my interpretation is my own.

I would never presume to tell people how to live but I think maybe you should quit wasting your time online responding to strangers and go spend it with your son instead. Don’t waste any more of your precious life on me…because I don’t give a rip.

One last question: do you mourn at all for the man who lost the use of his legs or just for your son who still has a father…?[/quote]

To MsM- I wish you and your son well during this crisis. I hope your Ex recovers. It must be difficult for him to see his father is such a state, as anyone who has been in this position can attest.

To LIFTICVSMAXIMVS-

I realize you have yout own personal agenda in your posts, but it appears that they are not really welcome. I would suggest that people choose to just ignore you and your inappropriate comments and questions, thus taing away your purpose. If you don’t give a rip, then you don’t really need to post, other than to be an ass.

Miss_Parker · June 12, 2008, 5:06pm

MsM, thanks for letting us know what’s going on with you and your loved ones. I wish you all the best.

LIFTICVSMAXIMVS · June 12, 2008, 5:27pm

[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
This type of response is completely uncalled for.
Personal attacks like this do nothing except reveal the true character (or lack thereof) of the attacker.

What you wrote is far from appropriate. It is hurtful and insensitive.
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Oh please! The OP is whining about her son to a bunch of strangers when HE STILL HAS A PAIR OF FUNCTIONING LEGS and a LIVING FATHER.

People that take someone else’s tragedy and turn it into something about themselves are false martyrs – and nothing more than victims. Hopefully, she won’t raise her son with the same mentality and hopefully he’ll eventually gets over his father’s accident despite his mother.

LIFTICVSMAXIMVS · June 12, 2008, 5:28pm

[quote]Gerg wrote:
To LIFTICVSMAXIMVS-

I realize you have yout own personal agenda in your posts, but it appears that they are not really welcome. I would suggest that people choose to just ignore you and your inappropriate comments and questions, thus taing away your purpose. If you don’t give a rip, then you don’t really need to post, other than to be an ass. [/quote]

This is better demonstrated by not responding to my comments in the first place.

Rockscar · June 12, 2008, 5:29pm

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
One last question: do you mourn at all for the man who lost the use of his legs or just for your son who still has a father…?[/quote]

Now you’re just being a super-ass. Do you have a costume and cape to go with the big A on your chest???

LIFTICVSMAXIMVS · June 12, 2008, 5:36pm

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Now you’re just being a super-ass. Do you have a costume and cape to go with the big A on your chest???[/quote]

No, But do have one with a giant middle finger on it and I am wearing it now.

OctoberGirl · June 12, 2008, 5:55pm

all you folks jumping on Lift are just heaping ugly on this thread.

just ignore it and stop this stupid stuff

if you want to continue the argument take it to PMs

LIFTICVSMAXIMVS · June 12, 2008, 6:08pm

To all you internet do-gooders out there…

My original post was in response to the title of this thread.

“If your life changed overnight…”

Well, I hope I would have had fun the night before I lost the use of my legs…and I don’t think there was anything wrong with that comment.

LIFTICVSMAXIMVS · June 12, 2008, 6:11pm

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
just ignore it…

[/quote]
Finally, a voice of reason…

nephorm · June 12, 2008, 8:03pm

[quote]Otep wrote:
Can wonders and miracles come right out of the blue, smack you in the face and yell ‘I’m HERE!’
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Just the gay ones.

Sorry, I couldn’t help it.

MsM, sorry to hear about the situation. My condolences.

Makavali · June 12, 2008, 8:18pm

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

all you folks jumping on Lift are just heaping ugly on this thread.

just ignore it and stop this stupid stuff

if you want to continue the argument take it to PMs[/quote]

In case anyone missed it.

Frank_Castle · June 12, 2008, 8:57pm

[quote]MsM wrote:
rsg wrote:
Frank Castle wrote:

I have a close friend who the same exact thing happened to about 10 years ago when he was in college, and hes absolutely fine now. He passed out on his bed for 12 hours with a VCR (?) underneath one leg.

He was in a wheelchair then crutches. Within a year he was almost 100%. Details are hazy at this point, but Im positive he was told he would never walk again, only because I hear that part of the story often… His one leg was severely atrophied and I also recall hearing things about kidneys.

I am also positive that he didnt do a damn thing to rehab himself, except make his sister and mother wait on him hand and foot for a few months. He would smoke weed and say things like “fuck that doctor”. True story. If you have any other questions I’ll ask my boy.

Sounds promising.

Does it ever, rsg.

Yes please, Frank, I’d love to hear about someone overcoming a severe case. I would really appreciate that. Your friend is a very lucky man and I’m glad he’s made a full recovery.

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All I can say is again, hes fine now. After posting I also recall him saying they thought they may even have to amputate the affected leg initially. It was apparently pretty serious at the time, and he didnt get better overnight, but eventually he did.

Im no doctor, but all I can say is I have the actual experience of knowing someone who this happened too, and hes fine today. He was so grateful to make a full recovery, that he continued to use drugs and be hospitalized several more times in the years that followed before getting clean.

My point is the generally the human body can take alot of abuse, and although this may seem serious now I have a feeling he will be fine.

StevenF · June 12, 2008, 9:08pm

I’ll say a prayer for him, god is my homie.

tigerbalm · June 12, 2008, 10:43pm

I actually have McCardle’s disease that MSM listed under the Genetic Causes. I have had some serious bouts in the hospital before I knew what it was and how it affected me.

After numerous tests the doctors told me to quit working out or doing anything active as it can cause deterioration of the muscle which would ultimately lead to rhabdomyalasys.

I’ve since been back in the gym with great results… I can’t do anything high rep however. My point is that although the doctors are great… they still don’t always know what they are talking about. I’m doing fine and hopefully with any luck your son’s dad will recover partially or fully. Wish you the best.

[quote]MsM wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Otep wrote:
I wonder-

If it’s possible for crazy random shit to happen to us and totally screw up life, is there a flip-side? Can wonders and miracles come right out of the blue, smack you in the face and yell ‘I’m HERE!’

It happens. And when it does - it’s great.

It sure does!

Thank you, Nate.

After not receiving any updates yet, I began to do my own research in an effort to understand this condition better. Much to my surprise, it is not just compression of an area that can cause rhabdomyolysis.

In fact, anything which causes ATP depletion can contribute. Muscle exertion is one of the most common causes. From what I’ve seen, it is mostly an occurrence with marathon runners but I could see this being a possibility for a population of weight lifters on this site too (the powerlifters come to mind). Based on how many people here haven’t heard of that, I’ll say that I think those risks are minimal but just so you know, it’s a possibility.

Other causes:

Medications and Toxic Substances That Increase the Risk of Rhabdomyolysis

Direct myotoxicity
HMG-CoA reductase inhibitors, especially in combination with fibrate-derived lipid-lowering agents such as niacin (nicotinic acid; Nicolar)
Cyclosporine (Sandimmune)
Itraconazole (Sporanox)
Erythromycin
Colchicine
Zidovudine (Retrovir)
Corticosteroids

Indirect muscle damage
Alcohol
Central nervous system depressants
Cocaine
Amphetamine
Ecstasy (MDMA)
LSD
Neuromuscular blocking agents

Traumatic, Heat-Related, Ischemic and Exertional Causes of Rhabdomyolysis

Traumatic causes
Lightning strike
Immobilization
Extensive third-degree burn
Crush injury

Heat-related causes
Heatstroke
Malignant hyperthermia
Neuroleptic malignant syndrome

Ischemic causes
Ischemic limb injury

Exertional causes
Marathon running
Physical overexertion in untrained athletes
Pathologic muscle exertion
Heat dissipation impairment
Physical overexertion in persons with sickle cell disease

Infectious, Inflammatory, Metabolic and Endocrinologic Causes of Rhabdomyolysis

Infectious causes
Viruses: influenza virus B, parainfluenza virus, adenovirus, coxsackievirus, echovirus, herpes simplex virus, cytomegalovirus, Epstein-Barr virus, human immunodeficiency virus
Bacteria: Streptococcus, Salmonella, Legionella, Staphyloccus and Listeria species

Inflammatory causes
Polymyositis
Dermatomyositis
Capillary leak syndrome
Snake bites (mostly in South America, Asia and Africa)

Metabolic and endocrinologic causes
Electrolyte imbalances: hyponatremia, hypernatremia, hypokalemia, hypophosphatemia, hypocalcemia
Hypothyroidism
Thyrotoxicosis
Diabetic ketoacidosis
Nonketotic hyperosmolar syndrome

Genetic Causes of Rhabdomyolysis

Lipid metabolism
Carnitine palmitoyltransferase deficiency
Carnitine deficiency
Short-chain and long-chain acyl-coenzyme A dehydrogenase deficiency
Carbohydrate metabolism
Myophosphorylase deficiency (McArdle’s disease)
Phosphorylase kinase deficiency
Phosphofructokinase deficiency
Phosphoglycerate mutase deficiency
Lactate dehydrogenase deficiency (characteristic elevation of creatine kinase level with normal lactate dehydrogenase level)
Purine metabolism
Myoadenylate deaminase deficiency
Duchenne’s muscular dystrophy

Clinical Features of Rhabdomyolysis

Local features
Muscle pain
Tenderness
Swelling
Bruising
Weakness

Systemic features
Tea-colored urine
Fever
Malaise
Nausea
Emesis
Confusion
Agitation
Delirium
Anuria

Complications of Rhabdomyolysis

Early complications
Hyperkalemia
Hypocalcemia
Hepatic inflammation
Cardiac arrhythmia
Cardiac arrest

Late complications
Acute renal failure
Disseminated intravascular coagulation

Early or late complication
Compartment syndrome
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Uncle_Gabby · June 13, 2008, 12:47am

I’m sorry to hear about your son’s father. Remember that things could be worse and losing a leg isn’t the end of your life. My father lost both of his legs to a land mine in Vietnam, came home to marry my mom, and is a great father to his 3 children. If his injuries ever got him down, he never let us see it.

I could tell endless stories about how awesome my dad is, but this isn’t the time nor the place. My advice is, help your son to realize how lucky he is to still have his dad, and that his dad is as much as a man as he ever was.

MsM · June 13, 2008, 12:24pm

[quote]Frank Castle wrote:

All I can say is again, hes fine now. After posting I also recall him saying they thought they may even have to amputate the affected leg initially. It was apparently pretty serious at the time, and he didnt get better overnight, but eventually he did.

Im no doctor, but all I can say is I have the actual experience of knowing someone who this happened too, and hes fine today. He was so grateful to make a full recovery, that he continued to use drugs and be hospitalized several more times in the years that followed before getting clean.

My point is the generally the human body can take alot of abuse, and although this may seem serious now I have a feeling he will be fine.[/quote]

Thank you for sharing that. Recovery stories are helping right now. I’m relived to hear that he has made a full recovery.

The human body is a remarkable thing; it’s ability to bounce back astounds me.

[quote]I actually have McCardle’s disease that MSM listed under the Genetic Causes. I have had some serious bouts in the hospital before I knew what it was and how it affected me.

After numerous tests the doctors told me to quit working out or doing anything active as it can cause deterioration of the muscle which would ultimately lead to rhabdomyalasys.

I’ve since been back in the gym with great results… I can’t do anything high rep however. My point is that although the doctors are great… they still don’t always know what they are talking about. I’m doing fine and hopefully with any luck your son’s dad will recover partially or fully. Wish you the best.[/quote]

Yes, tigerbalm. Thankfully the doctors are sometimes wrong. They are only human and I think in this case, they were going over best and worst case scenarios.

I do remember reading about how high repetition lifting was considered to be dangerous. Did they have a take on what was an ideal rep/set range? I suppose I am a little confused because from what I know, the danger zone lies in ATP depletion, which also occurs in low reps with heavy weight.

Thank goodness you’ve proved everybody wrong and are in good health and thank you for filling in some of the gaps for me.

MsM · June 13, 2008, 12:32pm

The well-wishes and prayers, I am grateful for, everyone. Thank you.

Last evening, upon returning home from work, I received an update. Just as the kidneys were beginning to stabilize and it looked like he was in the clear, his respiratory system shut down and he’s now dependent upon assisted oxygen consistently. We are still hoping for good news and he is in good hands right now.

From what I know, and I could have the wrong figures, kidney failure will result in about 1 in 5 people diagnosed with rhabdomyolysis and of that 1 in 5, 3% of those will suffer acute respiratory failure. It’s said to not be entirely common but thankfully, he appears to be in good care with health professionals that understand the situation and have responded both very quickly and with the appropriate measures.

tigerbalm · June 14, 2008, 2:36pm

Thank you for your well-wishes MSM… When I was first diagnosed the doctors actually told me to stay away from lifting period. They said that if I was going to lift at all it should be very light weights and high reps. I actually find that a high rep workout does a lot more damage than good. Working in a 2-5 rep range is what I find works best for me. I think the reason for this is that the body is using the ATP stores and not actually damaging the muscle. I should add however that when I first began lifting I did have to use very light weights and use higher reps but I did not get anywere close to approaching failure. Staying very very hydrated to help flush the kidneys is also very important. I hope some of this information helps. If you have any other questions please feel free to PM me. Hope things are improving.

[quote]MsM wrote:
Frank Castle wrote: