These parents need some sense pounded into them.
Moose have killed people for less.
Herbivore does not equal “safe”.
This reminds me of EVERY TIME I drive through the National Parks and I see tourists letting their children FEED BEARS in the ditch.
These people aught to have their children taken away by social services for a week, while being forced to attend an intensive course with a park ranger on the stupidity of treating wild animals like toys.
ElbowStrike
Or their children could just get eaten/trampled, it’s all good.
Hahaha!
I’m sorry that’s just stupid and funny as hell. I never thought “huge antlers and a 2,000lbs body” screamed “pet me!!” and I grew up around horses.
Shit, the first thing my dad taught me was to never even walk behind one. That gave me enough respect for them to not go playing around with other wild animals that WERE’NT domesticated.
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
Or their children could just get eaten/trampled, it’s all good. [/quote]
It’s a win-win.
I disagree with the “aught to have their children taken away” bit.
An urban kid faces a lot more risks than the children approaching the moose in your video. Shit, I’ve read of donkeys and horses that killed people.
[quote]lixy wrote:
I disagree with the “aught to have their children taken away” bit.
An urban kid faces a lot more risks than the children approaching the moose in your video. Shit, I’ve read of donkeys and horses that killed people.[/quote]
I think people should be more educated and educate their kids better before wandering off into the woods like this. This isn’t much different than thinking a porcupine would be nice to scratch behind the ears.
[quote]lixy wrote:
An urban kid faces a lot more risks than the children approaching the moose in your video.[/quote]
Not at the encouragement and entertainment of their parents they don’t.
I think you severely underestimate the risk these kids were put in by their parents’ negligence.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This isn’t much different than thinking a purcupine would be nice to scratch behind the ears.[/quote]
Or encouraging a five year-old to feed stray dogs in the street.
[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
I think you severely underestimate the risk these kids were put in by their parents’ negligence.[/quote]
That’s probably it. I’ve never been around mosses.
[quote]lixy wrote:
ElbowStrike wrote:
I think you severely underestimate the risk these kids were put in by their parents’ negligence.
That’s probably it. I’ve never been around mosses.[/quote]
Most people wouldn’t be dumb enough to antagonize one. Their antlers could gorge a full grown man so why would anyone think kids would be safe petting one?
What a little pussy, I would’ve gutted it with my bare hands. This kid “wah im only five and its 20x my size wah” man up kid.
[quote]Defekt wrote:
What a little pussy, I would’ve gutted it with my bare hands. This kid “wah im only five and its 20x my size wah” man up kid.[/quote]
LOL.
There should have also been nunchucks involved.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
lixy wrote:
ElbowStrike wrote:
I think you severely underestimate the risk these kids were put in by their parents’ negligence.
That’s probably it. I’ve never been around mosses.
Most people wouldn’t be dumb enough to antagonize one. Their antlers could gorge a full grown man so why would anyone think kids would be safe petting one?[/quote]
Well, I haven’t seen the kids in the video “antagonize” it. I may be naive, but I believe that animals wouldn’t hurt you for fun. As long as the kids were instructed to be careful not to spook out the beast, I would probably have approved it.
And granted, I haven’t been around many wild animals, so I might have built up a romanticized Disney version in my head.
Wow, that thing’s huge! Pretty sweet if you ask me. I might just mess with one if it was appropriate enough. I’m pretty goddam stupid sometimes, and that video looked fun as hell, minus the possibility of death or serious injury.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
lixy wrote:
ElbowStrike wrote:
I think you severely underestimate the risk these kids were put in by their parents’ negligence.
That’s probably it. I’ve never been around mosses.
Most people wouldn’t be dumb enough to antagonize one. Their antlers could gorge a full grown man so why would anyone think kids would be safe petting one?
Well, I haven’t seen the kids in the video “antagonize” it. I may be naive, but I believe that animals wouldn’t hurt you for fun. As long as the kids were instructed to be careful not to spook out the beast, I would probably have approved it.
And granted, I haven’t been around many wild animals, so I might have built up a romanticized Disney version in my head.[/quote]
Yes, you have. You can go play around with the next moose you meet if you want to. Just remind us when you plan on doing this so we can have our camcorders ready to go.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Well, I haven’t seen the kids in the video “antagonize” it. I may be naive, but I believe that animals wouldn’t hurt you for fun. As long as the kids were instructed to be careful not to spook out the beast, I would probably have approved it.
And granted, I haven’t been around many wild animals, so I might have built up a romanticized Disney version in my head.[/quote]
Animals are stupid, they don’t do anything for any reason. They run on stupid. If they hurt you, which they will, it doesn’t need to be for any reason because they are stupid as fuck.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Well, I haven’t seen the kids in the video “antagonize” it. I may be naive, but I believe that animals wouldn’t hurt you for fun. As long as the kids were instructed to be careful not to spook out the beast, I would probably have approved it.
And granted, I haven’t been around many wild animals, so I might have built up a romanticized Disney version in my head.[/quote]
Yes! Yes, you have!
First, most animals are not social animals, and are highly territorial. Their sense of personal space stretches a lot farther than ours do.
Humans are social creatures, so we are more accepting of other humans and animals getting close to us.
For a moose and most herbivores, they have to assume that anything approaching closer than 35 meters could be a predator, and to be on red alert for anything out of the ordinary (a charge, physical contact, etc.).
I watched the vid a couple more times and at the beginning it looks like the moose attacks b/c kid in the red shirt has crossed into the moose’s personal space and gotten too close for comfort to the animal’s neck (where any predator would bite for a quick kill). It wouldn’t surprise me if moose were hyper-vigilant in keeping outsiders away from that area, as compared to a side approach.
Now, most infant mammals cry out with high-pitched calls when distressed, so that’s probably why the moose didn’t pursue when the kids ran. It had enough intelligence to cognize that these are infants of whatever-species-they-are and scared, or a very stupid, silly animal that poses no threat.
Or both.
Here a deer keeps on attacking an adult who entered its territory and personal space. Now, this guy doesn’t make any screams but instead stands to defend himself the way a territorial adult mammal would.
I’d bet if this were a kid who screamed and ran the deer would stop his pursuit.
The only human analogy I can draw here is if you are alone and exposed in the wild and a man approaches you at a steady pace. He’s making direct eye contact (NEVER make direct eye contact with wild animals. It means “I am going to eat you”.), has a blank facial expression, says nothing, and you can’t discern anything about his intent from his body language. Any attempt to communicate verbally gets no response. All you know is that he is getting closer and you have a few seconds to decide what to do.
Now if he was going to attack you and you did nothing, now you’re dead.
If you shove him away from you (basically what the moose did) and he runs away crying and screaming, you’re alive and lost nothing.
A moose can’t understand your words, body language, or facial expression, and eye contact is a sign of predatory aggression.
ElbowStrike
[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
lixy wrote:
Well, I haven’t seen the kids in the video “antagonize” it. I may be naive, but I believe that animals wouldn’t hurt you for fun. As long as the kids were instructed to be careful not to spook out the beast, I would probably have approved it.
And granted, I haven’t been around many wild animals, so I might have built up a romanticized Disney version in my head.
Yes! Yes, you have!
First, most animals are not social animals, and are highly territorial. Their sense of personal space stretches a lot farther than ours do.
Humans are social creatures, so we are more accepting of other humans and animals getting close to us.
For a moose and most herbivores, they have to assume that anything approaching closer than 35 meters could be a predator, and to be on red alert for anything out of the ordinary (a charge, physical contact, etc.).
I watched the vid a couple more times and at the beginning it looks like the moose attacks b/c kid in the red shirt has crossed into the moose’s personal space and gotten too close for comfort to the animal’s neck (where any predator would bite for a quick kill). It wouldn’t surprise me if moose were hyper-vigilant in keeping outsiders away from that area, as compared to a side approach.
Now, most infant mammals cry out with high-pitched calls when distressed, so that’s probably why the moose didn’t pursue when the kids ran. It had enough intelligence to cognize that these are infants of whatever-species-they-are and scared, or a very stupid, silly animal that poses no threat.
Or both.
Here a deer keeps on attacking an adult who entered its territory and personal space. Now, this guy doesn’t make any screams but instead stands to defend himself the way a territorial adult mammal would.
I’d bet if this were a kid who screamed and ran the deer would stop his pursuit.
The only human analogy I can draw here is if you are alone and exposed in the wild and a man approaches you at a steady pace. He’s making direct eye contact (NEVER make direct eye contact with wild animals. It means “I am going to eat you”.), has a blank facial expression, says nothing, and you can’t discern anything about his intent from his body language. Any attempt to communicate verbally gets no response. All you know is that he is getting closer and you have a few seconds to decide what to do.
Now if he was going to attack you and you did nothing, now you’re dead.
If you shove him away from you (basically what the moose did) and he runs away crying and screaming, you’re alive and lost nothing.
A moose can’t understand your words, body language, or facial expression, and eye contact is a sign of predatory aggression.
ElbowStrike[/quote]
That was interesting. I walked into this thread not even knowing how to spell the name of that damn animal. Now I feel I know a little bit more about wild animals. Thanks.
when i was in alaska i came upon several moose i wish one would have let me or my friends get that close to it, it would have made a great story
[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
Now, most infant mammals cry out with high-pitched calls when distressed, so that’s probably why the moose didn’t pursue when the kids ran. It had enough intelligence to cognize that these are infants of whatever-species-they-are and scared, or a very stupid, silly animal that poses no threat.
Or both.
Here a deer keeps on attacking an adult who entered its territory and personal space. Now, this guy doesn’t make any screams but instead stands to defend himself the way a territorial adult mammal would.
I’d bet if this were a kid who screamed and ran the deer would stop his pursuit.
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[feverishly writing down notes] “if… threatened … by … wild animal … run screaming … and crying … like … a little … girl”