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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Not having constant knee and lower back pain? Not lumbering around everywhere you go. Being able to buy clothes that fit. Lifting weights and not needing 5 minutes between every set to catch your breath.
[/quote]
Curious: what do you base these ‘consequences of being huge’ on? It seems like you’re just assuming those outcomes based on what you imagine to be the case, but I don’t feel like people like Kai Greene etc seem to be known for being out of breath easily or having lower back pain…?[/quote]
Gregron is making an assumption.
HOWEVER, it is generally understood that a lot of the top IFBB competitors, (and even the lesser ones), utilize painkillers to cope with various joint ailments/injuries. Duvall is rumored (it’s basically a consensus now) to have been “hooked” on nubain for example.
and to whoever is saying that they “want to look like an IFBB pro”… (assuming they are talking about the top of the top bodybuilders) if you had the slightest understanding of what is involved in that lifestyle, you would change your mind…
instantly… (unless you are truly a freak on the inside as well)[/quote]
I feel like people are placing rules on a thread that is based entirely on fantasy.
I want to win the lottery. I don’t buy any tickets. I’m not going to do what it takes to win, but that doesn’t lessen the fact that I still want it. It’s the same here.
Its funny the people that post pics of IFBB pros are probably to afraid to pin too
konstantin konstantinov http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/sUEVZrYeWco/mqdefault.jpg The guy looks like a freaking bear in human flesh.
[quote]DSSG wrote:
konstantin konstantinov http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/sUEVZrYeWco/mqdefault.jpg The guy looks like a freaking bear in human flesh. [/quote]
just trying to help 
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
steeve reeves[/quote]
He looks like Tony Stark if he’s spent his money on a new body instead of an iron man suit!
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Question for those of you who are posting photos of IFBB Pros:
Do you really want to be that size?[/quote]
Most definitely. My personal goal when i submerged myself into bodybuilding was to go All In or not at all. My mindset comes from sadness and anger so when I pack on the muscle, its a feeling I cannot describe. I PERSONALLY desire to become a freak although, it’s not an easy feat.
[/quote]
I get it big man. Makes sense. For a lot of people, my self included somewhat, packing in muscle and getting bigger/stronger is like modern day “armor.” Covers up some sadness or insecurities and makes you feel good about yourself Nd what you’ve been able to build/accomplish.
I totally respect that.
(Sorry if my assumption of what you were meaning is incorrect)
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
I always thought that Vernon Davis’s build and athleticism were unreal.
6’ 3"/250lbs with near single digit bodyfat with his speed is pretty amzing.[/quote]
I almost positive that’s not vernon davis. =0
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Not having constant knee and lower back pain? Not lumbering around everywhere you go. Being able to buy clothes that fit. Lifting weights and not needing 5 minutes between every set to catch your breath.
[/quote]
Curious: what do you base these ‘consequences of being huge’ on? It seems like you’re just assuming those outcomes based on what you imagine to be the case, but I don’t feel like people like Kai Greene etc seem to be known for being out of breath easily or having lower back pain…?[/quote]
Gregron is making an assumption.
HOWEVER, it is generally understood that a lot of the top IFBB competitors, (and even the lesser ones), utilize painkillers to cope with various joint ailments/injuries. Duvall is rumored (it’s basically a consensus now) to have been “hooked” on nubain for example.
and to whoever is saying that they “want to look like an IFBB pro”… (assuming they are talking about the top of the top bodybuilders) if you had the slightest understanding of what is involved in that lifestyle, you would change your mind…
instantly… (unless you are truly a freak on the inside as well)[/quote]
^^pretty much this. Good post Walkway.
I’ve known/been around/worked with/played sports with a lot of big guys and have seen what the effects of bring that large does to most people.
Of course it’s not always 100% true but in general, I believe, it’s pretty accurate.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I feel like people are placing rules on a thread that is based entirely on fantasy.
I want to win the lottery. I don’t buy any tickets. I’m not going to do what it takes to win, but that doesn’t lessen the fact that I still want it. It’s the same here.[/quote]
Naaaah not rules, I was just asking a follow up question because it popped into my head.
This is all just for fun anyway. Entertainment.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Winning the lotto would be sweet huh? I bought a ticket last year when it was close to $500 mill… I didn’t win 
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Not having constant knee and lower back pain? Not lumbering around everywhere you go. Being able to buy clothes that fit. Lifting weights and not needing 5 minutes between every set to catch your breath.
[/quote]
Curious: what do you base these ‘consequences of being huge’ on? It seems like you’re just assuming those outcomes based on what you imagine to be the case, but I don’t feel like people like Kai Greene etc seem to be known for being out of breath easily or having lower back pain…?[/quote]
Gregron is making an assumption.
HOWEVER, it is generally understood that a lot of the top IFBB competitors, (and even the lesser ones), utilize painkillers to cope with various joint ailments/injuries. Duvall is rumored (it’s basically a consensus now) to have been “hooked” on nubain for example.
and to whoever is saying that they “want to look like an IFBB pro”… (assuming they are talking about the top of the top bodybuilders) if you had the slightest understanding of what is involved in that lifestyle, you would change your mind…
instantly… (unless you are truly a freak on the inside as well)[/quote]
i couldnt imagine the toll that all those years of gear abuse has also put on their bodys.
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Not having constant knee and lower back pain? Not lumbering around everywhere you go. Being able to buy clothes that fit. Lifting weights and not needing 5 minutes between every set to catch your breath.
[/quote]
Curious: what do you base these ‘consequences of being huge’ on? It seems like you’re just assuming those outcomes based on what you imagine to be the case, but I don’t feel like people like Kai Greene etc seem to be known for being out of breath easily or having lower back pain…?[/quote]
Gregron is making an assumption.
HOWEVER, it is generally understood that a lot of the top IFBB competitors, (and even the lesser ones), utilize painkillers to cope with various joint ailments/injuries. Duvall is rumored (it’s basically a consensus now) to have been “hooked” on nubain for example.
and to whoever is saying that they “want to look like an IFBB pro”… (assuming they are talking about the top of the top bodybuilders) if you had the slightest understanding of what is involved in that lifestyle, you would change your mind…
instantly… (unless you are truly a freak on the inside as well)[/quote]
i couldnt imagine the toll that all those years of gear abuse has also put on their bodys. [/quote]
actually, the:
-painkillers
-stimulants
-being 260+ at 5’9-5’11
-overreating
-blood pressure (a combination of everything else + AAS)
-GH (GH and IGF1 get off scott-free for some reason even though they are the primary culprit for cardiac events)
etc… are considerably more detrimenental than the AAS abuse.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Not having constant knee and lower back pain? Not lumbering around everywhere you go. Being able to buy clothes that fit. Lifting weights and not needing 5 minutes between every set to catch your breath.
[/quote]
Curious: what do you base these ‘consequences of being huge’ on? It seems like you’re just assuming those outcomes based on what you imagine to be the case, but I don’t feel like people like Kai Greene etc seem to be known for being out of breath easily or having lower back pain…?[/quote]
Gregron is making an assumption.
HOWEVER, it is generally understood that a lot of the top IFBB competitors, (and even the lesser ones), utilize painkillers to cope with various joint ailments/injuries. Duvall is rumored (it’s basically a consensus now) to have been “hooked” on nubain for example.
and to whoever is saying that they “want to look like an IFBB pro”… (assuming they are talking about the top of the top bodybuilders) if you had the slightest understanding of what is involved in that lifestyle, you would change your mind…
instantly… (unless you are truly a freak on the inside as well)[/quote]
i couldnt imagine the toll that all those years of gear abuse has also put on their bodys. [/quote]
actually, the:
-painkillers
-stimulants
-being 260+ at 5’9-5’11
-overreating
-blood pressure (a combination of everything else + AAS)
-GH (GH and IGF1 get off scott-free for some reason even though they are the primary culprit for cardiac events)
etc… are considerably more detrimenental than the AAS abuse.[/quote]
Couldnt you argue that the AAS is the gateway that leads to it all, indirect side effects?
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Not having constant knee and lower back pain? Not lumbering around everywhere you go. Being able to buy clothes that fit. Lifting weights and not needing 5 minutes between every set to catch your breath.
[/quote]
Curious: what do you base these ‘consequences of being huge’ on? It seems like you’re just assuming those outcomes based on what you imagine to be the case, but I don’t feel like people like Kai Greene etc seem to be known for being out of breath easily or having lower back pain…?[/quote]
Gregron is making an assumption.
HOWEVER, it is generally understood that a lot of the top IFBB competitors, (and even the lesser ones), utilize painkillers to cope with various joint ailments/injuries. Duvall is rumored (it’s basically a consensus now) to have been “hooked” on nubain for example.
and to whoever is saying that they “want to look like an IFBB pro”… (assuming they are talking about the top of the top bodybuilders) if you had the slightest understanding of what is involved in that lifestyle, you would change your mind…
instantly… (unless you are truly a freak on the inside as well)[/quote]
i couldnt imagine the toll that all those years of gear abuse has also put on their bodys. [/quote]
actually, the:
-painkillers
-stimulants
-being 260+ at 5’9-5’11
-overreating
-blood pressure (a combination of everything else + AAS)
-GH (GH and IGF1 get off scott-free for some reason even though they are the primary culprit for cardiac events)
etc… are considerably more detrimenental than the AAS abuse.[/quote]
Couldnt you argue that the AAS is the gateway that leads to it all, indirect side effects? [/quote]
sounds like a stretch, and a weak one at that. I would say the desire to be an enormous competitive bodybuilder is the gateway, and all of the above are results of that desire. Plenty of steroid users don’t abuse painkillers, over eat, use GH, or weigh 260+. In fact most don’t. Just look at the users on this site as a sample population.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Not having constant knee and lower back pain? Not lumbering around everywhere you go. Being able to buy clothes that fit. Lifting weights and not needing 5 minutes between every set to catch your breath.
[/quote]
Curious: what do you base these ‘consequences of being huge’ on? It seems like you’re just assuming those outcomes based on what you imagine to be the case, but I don’t feel like people like Kai Greene etc seem to be known for being out of breath easily or having lower back pain…?[/quote]
Gregron is making an assumption.
HOWEVER, it is generally understood that a lot of the top IFBB competitors, (and even the lesser ones), utilize painkillers to cope with various joint ailments/injuries. Duvall is rumored (it’s basically a consensus now) to have been “hooked” on nubain for example.
and to whoever is saying that they “want to look like an IFBB pro”… (assuming they are talking about the top of the top bodybuilders) if you had the slightest understanding of what is involved in that lifestyle, you would change your mind…
instantly… (unless you are truly a freak on the inside as well)[/quote]
i couldnt imagine the toll that all those years of gear abuse has also put on their bodys. [/quote]
actually, the:
-painkillers
-stimulants
-being 260+ at 5’9-5’11
-overreating
-blood pressure (a combination of everything else + AAS)
-GH (GH and IGF1 get off scott-free for some reason even though they are the primary culprit for cardiac events)
etc… are considerably more detrimenental than the AAS abuse.[/quote]
Couldnt you argue that the AAS is the gateway that leads to it all, indirect side effects? [/quote]
Just like the way marijuana is a gateway drug.
[quote]JerryRicePwns wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
I always thought that Vernon Davis’s build and athleticism were unreal.
6’ 3"/250lbs with near single digit bodyfat with his speed is pretty amzing.[/quote]
I almost positive that’s not vernon davis. =0[/quote]
We got that on page 2 brother, I posted the wrong pic…thanks for the help tho!
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Not having constant knee and lower back pain? Not lumbering around everywhere you go. Being able to buy clothes that fit. Lifting weights and not needing 5 minutes between every set to catch your breath.
[/quote]
Curious: what do you base these ‘consequences of being huge’ on? It seems like you’re just assuming those outcomes based on what you imagine to be the case, but I don’t feel like people like Kai Greene etc seem to be known for being out of breath easily or having lower back pain…?[/quote]
Gregron is making an assumption.
HOWEVER, it is generally understood that a lot of the top IFBB competitors, (and even the lesser ones), utilize painkillers to cope with various joint ailments/injuries. Duvall is rumored (it’s basically a consensus now) to have been “hooked” on nubain for example.
and to whoever is saying that they “want to look like an IFBB pro”… (assuming they are talking about the top of the top bodybuilders) if you had the slightest understanding of what is involved in that lifestyle, you would change your mind…
instantly… (unless you are truly a freak on the inside as well)[/quote]
i couldnt imagine the toll that all those years of gear abuse has also put on their bodys. [/quote]
actually, the:
-painkillers
-stimulants
-being 260+ at 5’9-5’11
-overreating
-blood pressure (a combination of everything else + AAS)
-GH (GH and IGF1 get off scott-free for some reason even though they are the primary culprit for cardiac events)
etc… are considerably more detrimenental than the AAS abuse.[/quote]
Couldnt you argue that the AAS is the gateway that leads to it all, indirect side effects? [/quote]
well, aas abuse will lead to high blood pressure unless support supplements/drugs are used, and lifestyle changes (cardio) are implemented…
aas will also lead to increases in weight
but no, taking one drug will not force you to take another drug
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
but no, taking one drug will not force you to take another drug[/quote]
This isn’t completely true. You even said yourself that AAS abuse can/will lead to high BP u less you take other drugs to counter act that
Plus you’ll need drugs for your PCT to avoid a shut down, Gyno, etc etc.
Just giving you a hard time.
Lots of good info and informative discussion in here. I like it.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
but no, taking one drug will not force you to take another drug[/quote]
This isn’t completely true. You even said yourself that AAS abuse can/will lead to high BP u less you take other drugs to counter act that
Plus you’ll need drugs for your PCT to avoid a shut down, Gyno, etc etc.
Just giving you a hard time.
Lots of good info and informative discussion in here. I like it.[/quote]
-BP is largely genetic, things like vitamin E, magnesium, cardio, potassium… etc. will help keep it in check
-pct isnt necessary… about 90% of the guys i know are on for life.
-Gyno only if you run aromatizing drugs
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Not having constant knee and lower back pain? Not lumbering around everywhere you go. Being able to buy clothes that fit. Lifting weights and not needing 5 minutes between every set to catch your breath.
[/quote]
Curious: what do you base these ‘consequences of being huge’ on? It seems like you’re just assuming those outcomes based on what you imagine to be the case, but I don’t feel like people like Kai Greene etc seem to be known for being out of breath easily or having lower back pain…?[/quote]
Gregron is making an assumption.
HOWEVER, it is generally understood that a lot of the top IFBB competitors, (and even the lesser ones), utilize painkillers to cope with various joint ailments/injuries. Duvall is rumored (it’s basically a consensus now) to have been “hooked” on nubain for example.
and to whoever is saying that they “want to look like an IFBB pro”… (assuming they are talking about the top of the top bodybuilders) if you had the slightest understanding of what is involved in that lifestyle, you would change your mind…
instantly… (unless you are truly a freak on the inside as well)[/quote]
i couldnt imagine the toll that all those years of gear abuse has also put on their bodys. [/quote]
actually, the:
-painkillers
-stimulants
-being 260+ at 5’9-5’11
-overreating
-blood pressure (a combination of everything else + AAS)
-GH (GH and IGF1 get off scott-free for some reason even though they are the primary culprit for cardiac events)
etc… are considerably more detrimenental than the AAS abuse.[/quote]
Couldnt you argue that the AAS is the gateway that leads to it all, indirect side effects? [/quote]
sounds like a stretch, and a weak one at that. I would say the desire to be an enormous competitive bodybuilder is the gateway, and all of the above are results of that desire. Plenty of steroid users don’t abuse painkillers, over eat, use GH, or weigh 260+. In fact most don’t. Just look at the users on this site as a sample population.
[/quote]
Yeah, I have known and worked out with a lot of guys that use AAS but something I have noticed is that most of the people I know that use them are in no way ready to make that jump. I mean it seems kind of idiotic to me to start using them when you weigh 150 pounds, have been lifting for all of 6 months and never even attempted to get their diet right. Its like they look at it as some magic muscle potion that can use as a shortcut to their goals. Its freaking annoying. Alright end rant.
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