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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
If I understand well, only some competing female powerlifters are capable of pressing 225lb, -that’s what… 100kgs, right?.. Any other woman - non competing or who doesn’t belong to a PLs federation - out there can’t do the same, since there is no video proving it. It is rare. Right?

In the entire whole world… wow, guys you need to get out a little bit more. It’s not only in America that women bench press, ya know…? And some strong, natural women don’t need to attend some powerlifting meets to press that much to prove their strength.

I travel quite a lot in Europe and I’ve seen and trained with girls lifting that much. Even more. One of the girls was French, 62kg if I remember well, and the max she lifted when I spotted her was 105kgs. I don’t know what that is in pounds, sorry, can’t be bothered to check, lol. And that was 2 years ago. Ah sorry, I didn’t film that!!! So yeah you won’t believe me… damn!

Meh, those girls aren’t in the pls record books. Totally unknown badass bitches who just go to their local gym to lift because they enjoy the pump and don’t want to be bothered with all that number shit. So when I read there aren’t many women who can do this apart from some pro powerlifters, I just want to laugh. Seriously.

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105kg = approx 230lbs.

I don’t think anyone is saying that there aren’t women out there that can bench 225 raw/natural. There are.

However, OBoile is looking at PL records and numbers etc. That is an environment in which women and men are ‘statistically more likely’ to be able to bench larger numbers since that is what they train and compete to do. If you aren’t seeing it in an environment that intuitively should contain a larger percentage of the heavy benching population, one can assume that it is likely even lower in the general population.

That doesn’t mean that this phenomenon doesn’t exist. It just means that it isn’t terribly common.

I’m just jealous though because 225 would bury me :slight_smile:
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At your last meet how many PL Women competed? [/quote]

My last completed was nationals. There were 9 women in bench only and 39 full meet.
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As a female who competes do you think the number of women competing on a national level is a true statistical representation for ALL woman who lift?

PL is not the NFL, you do not have literally millions of people trying to get into it. You know I respect you and every other women who I have interacted with in the past. So I am not making any sexist comments. :slight_smile:

My point being that do you think maybe there are a SHIT ton of woman who just lift weights cause they are employed, married and mothers? Do you think maybe there is shit going on in life that doesnt make the internet? [/quote]

Of course there are people out there lifting whose numbers don’t make national results or the internet or even the evening news.

I don’t think that the number of people competing on a national level are representative of anything more than people competing on a national level. However, I would expect that their skill level would be higher than the average population because they train to compete and have made it over a number of hurdles to qualify for national competition.

My point is not that there aren’t people who have better numbers in the general population but that the ‘average’ calibre is likely to be higher at that level than the general population due to the above mentioned qualifiers. This doesn’t speak to specifics or specific individuals; it speaks to general populations. If on average 10% of women competing in higher level powerlifting achieved a 225lb bench, the percentage is likely to be lower in the general population because there aren’t the same qualifiers that have culled the population sample. (btw 10% is completely made up as a sample)

It’s kind of like lifting at the gym and some jojo always has a cousins, uncles half-brother who can bench a horse. Maybe they can. We can all find population outliers. Outliers aren’t the question though, it’s the average population sample that is under discussion.

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

My point being that do you think maybe there are a SHIT ton of woman who just lift weights cause they are employed, married and mothers? Do you think maybe there is shit going on in life that doesnt make the internet? [/quote]

Of course not. The internet is the center of EVERYTHING, isn’t it? ;)[/quote]

Hey Lew hope you been well sir. I need to stay out of this dont I?

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
If I understand well, only some competing female powerlifters are capable of pressing 225lb, -that’s what… 100kgs, right?.. Any other woman - non competing or who doesn’t belong to a PLs federation - out there can’t do the same, since there is no video proving it. It is rare. Right?

In the entire whole world… wow, guys you need to get out a little bit more. It’s not only in America that women bench press, ya know…? And some strong, natural women don’t need to attend some powerlifting meets to press that much to prove their strength.

I travel quite a lot in Europe and I’ve seen and trained with girls lifting that much. Even more. One of the girls was French, 62kg if I remember well, and the max she lifted when I spotted her was 105kgs. I don’t know what that is in pounds, sorry, can’t be bothered to check, lol. And that was 2 years ago. Ah sorry, I didn’t film that!!! So yeah you won’t believe me… damn!

Meh, those girls aren’t in the pls record books. Totally unknown badass bitches who just go to their local gym to lift because they enjoy the pump and don’t want to be bothered with all that number shit. So when I read there aren’t many women who can do this apart from some pro powerlifters, I just want to laugh. Seriously.

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105kg = approx 230lbs.

I don’t think anyone is saying that there aren’t women out there that can bench 225 raw/natural. There are.

However, OBoile is looking at PL records and numbers etc. That is an environment in which women and men are ‘statistically more likely’ to be able to bench larger numbers since that is what they train and compete to do. If you aren’t seeing it in an environment that intuitively should contain a larger percentage of the heavy benching population, one can assume that it is likely even lower in the general population.

That doesn’t mean that this phenomenon doesn’t exist. It just means that it isn’t terribly common.

I’m just jealous though because 225 would bury me :slight_smile:
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At your last meet how many PL Women competed? [/quote]

My last completed was nationals. There were 9 women in bench only and 39 full meet.
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As a female who competes do you think the number of women competing on a national level is a true statistical representation for ALL woman who lift?

PL is not the NFL, you do not have literally millions of people trying to get into it. You know I respect you and every other women who I have interacted with in the past. So I am not making any sexist comments. :slight_smile:

My point being that do you think maybe there are a SHIT ton of woman who just lift weights cause they are employed, married and mothers? Do you think maybe there is shit going on in life that doesnt make the internet? [/quote]

Of course there are people out there lifting whose numbers don’t make national results or the internet or even the evening news.

I don’t think that the number of people competing on a national level are representative of anything more than people competing on a national level. However, I would expect that their skill level would be higher than the average population because they train to compete and have made it over a number of hurdles to qualify for national competition.

My point is not that there aren’t people who have better numbers in the general population but that the ‘average’ calibre is likely to be higher at that level than the general population due to the above mentioned qualifiers. This doesn’t speak to specifics or specific individuals; it speaks to general populations. If on average 10% of women competing in higher level powerlifting achieved a 225lb bench, the percentage is likely to be lower in the general population because there aren’t the same qualifiers that have culled the population sample. (btw 10% is completely made up as a sample)[/quote]

Can not disagree with that. You have a perspective that I do not have that was why I asked you. If 225 seems to be a benchmark that is higher than what I guess it is.

I just have a hard time when someone with there own experience in life and has credible credentials is basically told they are a liar. (Not referring to you). Having a discussion about the different perspectives in life is one thing.

Okay carry on.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

Okay carry on.[/quote]

Okey dokey :slight_smile:

I’ll be the first one on here if I ever hit a 225 bench raw/shirted or anything else. There will be a video and a lot of dancing afterwards.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

My point being that do you think maybe there are a SHIT ton of woman who just lift weights cause they are employed, married and mothers? Do you think maybe there is shit going on in life that doesnt make the internet? [/quote]

Of course not. The internet is the center of EVERYTHING, isn’t it? ;)[/quote]

Hey Lew hope you been well sir. I need to stay out of this dont I? [/quote]

Things have been cool. My real life is more important than the stuff on here, so I pop in and out. And yes, that is why I am not on here as often. All you are doing is the internet equivalent of banging your head up against the wall. For most of these guys, it doesn’t matter what you have actually seen or experienced, some nebulous statistic is more real.

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

Okay carry on.[/quote]

Okey dokey :slight_smile:

I’ll be the first one on here if I ever hit a 225 bench raw/shirted or anything else. There will be a video and a lot of dancing afterwards.

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I will also clap and dance for you.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
If I understand well, only some competing female powerlifters are capable of pressing 225lb, -that’s what… 100kgs, right?.. Any other woman - non competing or who doesn’t belong to a PLs federation - out there can’t do the same, since there is no video proving it. It is rare. Right?

In the entire whole world… wow, guys you need to get out a little bit more. It’s not only in America that women bench press, ya know…? And some strong, natural women don’t need to attend some powerlifting meets to press that much to prove their strength.

I travel quite a lot in Europe and I’ve seen and trained with girls lifting that much. Even more. One of the girls was French, 62kg if I remember well, and the max she lifted when I spotted her was 105kgs. I don’t know what that is in pounds, sorry, can’t be bothered to check, lol. And that was 2 years ago. Ah sorry, I didn’t film that!!! So yeah you won’t believe me… damn!

Meh, those girls aren’t in the pls record books. Totally unknown badass bitches who just go to their local gym to lift because they enjoy the pump and don’t want to be bothered with all that number shit. So when I read there aren’t many women who can do this apart from some pro powerlifters, I just want to laugh. Seriously.

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As ouroboro said I’m sure there are women out there that can do it and I’m sure there are ones that don’t compete at PL.

That doesn’t mean it isn’t rare.

I used the USAPL results because it is tested (which was the point of this thread in the first place) along with the fact that the IPF hasn’t done a raw world’s yet. I also used it because I think it is a safe assumption that PLs competing at a regional level, let alone at the national level or at the Arnold, are in general far stronger than the average person at the gym. So, if it is rare there, it is likely rare everywhere.

So yes, I do believe you if you say you’ve seen one. Jennifer Thompson does ~290 at a weight of 132 (and there are vids of that). My point is that it is rare, not that it never happens.

If it wasn’t rare, there would be likely be some women on this site who could do it but to my knowledge there aren’t any. There certainly are guys that can do 405.

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
If I understand well, only some competing female powerlifters are capable of pressing 225lb, -that’s what… 100kgs, right?.. Any other woman - non competing or who doesn’t belong to a PLs federation - out there can’t do the same, since there is no video proving it. It is rare. Right?

In the entire whole world… wow, guys you need to get out a little bit more. It’s not only in America that women bench press, ya know…? And some strong, natural women don’t need to attend some powerlifting meets to press that much to prove their strength.

I travel quite a lot in Europe and I’ve seen and trained with girls lifting that much. Even more. One of the girls was French, 62kg if I remember well, and the max she lifted when I spotted her was 105kgs. I don’t know what that is in pounds, sorry, can’t be bothered to check, lol. And that was 2 years ago. Ah sorry, I didn’t film that!!! So yeah you won’t believe me… damn!

Meh, those girls aren’t in the pls record books. Totally unknown badass bitches who just go to their local gym to lift because they enjoy the pump and don’t want to be bothered with all that number shit. So when I read there aren’t many women who can do this apart from some pro powerlifters, I just want to laugh. Seriously.

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DN,

Unfortunately, you will see that attitude alot on here. I had a thread where I was answering questions about how I train and when they asked me some of the weights I was using, it turned into the same type of clusterfuck. A person who loves to lift and push him or herself does it for the love of doing it, and for those people, the truest form of competition is with themselves. Like DJHT stated, human beings are capable of some pretty incredible things. Just because it’s outside of your frame of reference, doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened or isn’t possible. [/quote]

I don’t think anyone is saying it doesn’t happen… just that it is rare.

A 500 lb squat for a guy is rare (less rare than a girl benching 225 IMO). There are lots of examples, but I bet fewer than 1% of guys that have been inside a gym in the last month are capable of doing it.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

My point being that do you think maybe there are a SHIT ton of woman who just lift weights cause they are employed, married and mothers? Do you think maybe there is shit going on in life that doesnt make the internet? [/quote]

I’m sure there are.

But, do you think this group of women would, on average, be stronger than powerlifters or members of T-Nation? If so, why?

Chances are, if a 225 bench is rare among women who train and compete specifically to maximize their bench, its rare everywhere.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
If I understand well, only some competing female powerlifters are capable of pressing 225lb, -that’s what… 100kgs, right?.. Any other woman - non competing or who doesn’t belong to a PLs federation - out there can’t do the same, since there is no video proving it. It is rare. Right?

In the entire whole world… wow, guys you need to get out a little bit more. It’s not only in America that women bench press, ya know…? And some strong, natural women don’t need to attend some powerlifting meets to press that much to prove their strength.

I travel quite a lot in Europe and I’ve seen and trained with girls lifting that much. Even more. One of the girls was French, 62kg if I remember well, and the max she lifted when I spotted her was 105kgs. I don’t know what that is in pounds, sorry, can’t be bothered to check, lol. And that was 2 years ago. Ah sorry, I didn’t film that!!! So yeah you won’t believe me… damn!

Meh, those girls aren’t in the pls record books. Totally unknown badass bitches who just go to their local gym to lift because they enjoy the pump and don’t want to be bothered with all that number shit. So when I read there aren’t many women who can do this apart from some pro powerlifters, I just want to laugh. Seriously.

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105kg = approx 230lbs.

I don’t think anyone is saying that there aren’t women out there that can bench 225 raw/natural. There are.

However, OBoile is looking at PL records and numbers etc. That is an environment in which women and men are ‘statistically more likely’ to be able to bench larger numbers since that is what they train and compete to do. If you aren’t seeing it in an environment that intuitively should contain a larger percentage of the heavy benching population, one can assume that it is likely even lower in the general population.

That doesn’t mean that this phenomenon doesn’t exist. It just means that it isn’t terribly common.

I’m just jealous though because 225 would bury me :slight_smile:
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At your last meet how many PL Women competed? [/quote]

My last completed was nationals. There were 9 women in bench only and 39 full meet.
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As a female who competes do you think the number of women competing on a national level is a true statistical representation for ALL woman who lift?

PL is not the NFL, you do not have literally millions of people trying to get into it. You know I respect you and every other women who I have interacted with in the past. So I am not making any sexist comments. :slight_smile:

My point being that do you think maybe there are a SHIT ton of woman who just lift weights cause they are employed, married and mothers? Do you think maybe there is shit going on in life that doesnt make the internet? [/quote]

No it obviously isn’t a true statistical representation of ALL women. It is in fact very biased as the average PL’er is almost certainly stronger than the “average woman who lifts”.

FYI, here are the benchpress standards from exrx.net. 217 is considered “elite” in the heaviest weight catagory.
http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/BenchStandards.html
The definition for elite: [quote]Refers specifically to athletes competing in strength sports. Less than 1% of the weight training population will attain this level.[/quote]

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
If I understand well, only some competing female powerlifters are capable of pressing 225lb, -that’s what… 100kgs, right?.. Any other woman - non competing or who doesn’t belong to a PLs federation - out there can’t do the same, since there is no video proving it. It is rare. Right?

In the entire whole world… wow, guys you need to get out a little bit more. It’s not only in America that women bench press, ya know…? And some strong, natural women don’t need to attend some powerlifting meets to press that much to prove their strength.

I travel quite a lot in Europe and I’ve seen and trained with girls lifting that much. Even more. One of the girls was French, 62kg if I remember well, and the max she lifted when I spotted her was 105kgs. I don’t know what that is in pounds, sorry, can’t be bothered to check, lol. And that was 2 years ago. Ah sorry, I didn’t film that!!! So yeah you won’t believe me… damn!

Meh, those girls aren’t in the pls record books. Totally unknown badass bitches who just go to their local gym to lift because they enjoy the pump and don’t want to be bothered with all that number shit. So when I read there aren’t many women who can do this apart from some pro powerlifters, I just want to laugh. Seriously.

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105kg = approx 230lbs.

I don’t think anyone is saying that there aren’t women out there that can bench 225 raw/natural. There are.

However, OBoile is looking at PL records and numbers etc. That is an environment in which women and men are ‘statistically more likely’ to be able to bench larger numbers since that is what they train and compete to do. If you aren’t seeing it in an environment that intuitively should contain a larger percentage of the heavy benching population, one can assume that it is likely even lower in the general population.

That doesn’t mean that this phenomenon doesn’t exist. It just means that it isn’t terribly common.

I’m just jealous though because 225 would bury me :slight_smile:
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At your last meet how many PL Women competed? [/quote]

My last completed was nationals. There were 9 women in bench only and 39 full meet.
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As a female who competes do you think the number of women competing on a national level is a true statistical representation for ALL woman who lift?

PL is not the NFL, you do not have literally millions of people trying to get into it. You know I respect you and every other women who I have interacted with in the past. So I am not making any sexist comments. :slight_smile:

My point being that do you think maybe there are a SHIT ton of woman who just lift weights cause they are employed, married and mothers? Do you think maybe there is shit going on in life that doesnt make the internet? [/quote]

Of course there are people out there lifting whose numbers don’t make national results or the internet or even the evening news.

I don’t think that the number of people competing on a national level are representative of anything more than people competing on a national level. However, I would expect that their skill level would be higher than the average population because they train to compete and have made it over a number of hurdles to qualify for national competition.

My point is not that there aren’t people who have better numbers in the general population but that the ‘average’ calibre is likely to be higher at that level than the general population due to the above mentioned qualifiers. This doesn’t speak to specifics or specific individuals; it speaks to general populations. If on average 10% of women competing in higher level powerlifting achieved a 225lb bench, the percentage is likely to be lower in the general population because there aren’t the same qualifiers that have culled the population sample. (btw 10% is completely made up as a sample)[/quote]

Can not disagree with that. You have a perspective that I do not have that was why I asked you. If 225 seems to be a benchmark that is higher than what I guess it is.

I just have a hard time when someone with there own experience in life and has credible credentials is basically told they are a liar. (Not referring to you). Having a discussion about the different perspectives in life is one thing.

Okay carry on.[/quote]

I don’t think he is a liar (why would he lie about this anyway), I simply think he is wrong. Either he’s looking at an exceptional group of women (possibly due to drug use as that would almost certainly lead to far bigger benches) or he is remembering the select few that he’s seen while forgetting all the girls he saw benching little more than the bar. Either way, among the general population it is very rare.

And FYI, I have almost exactly the same perspective as ouro on this. She’s my friend and my wife (and I) compete in the same federation as her and generally in the same contests since we both live in the same area.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

My point being that do you think maybe there are a SHIT ton of woman who just lift weights cause they are employed, married and mothers? Do you think maybe there is shit going on in life that doesnt make the internet? [/quote]

I’m sure there are.

But, do you think this group of women would, on average, be stronger than powerlifters or members of T-Nation? If so, why?

Chances are, if a 225 bench is rare among women who train and compete specifically to maximize their bench, its rare everywhere.[/quote]

Why cause not many women go into PL that is evident by what was stated earlier. Not many women go into porn but there are women who do have sex outside video and the internet.

Your second point may be true, however like I have already stated, my argument was about what Rod stated. HE HAS in his experience which is NOT associated with PL meets, BUT in a totally different country and culture it is not AS rare. He has spent the last X number of years with women who can train daily, exercise, sleep and eat well with the military. They also are probably not competing in a PL meet in the US. You do not believe him WHY?

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
If I understand well, only some competing female powerlifters are capable of pressing 225lb, -that’s what… 100kgs, right?.. Any other woman - non competing or who doesn’t belong to a PLs federation - out there can’t do the same, since there is no video proving it. It is rare. Right?

In the entire whole world… wow, guys you need to get out a little bit more. It’s not only in America that women bench press, ya know…? And some strong, natural women don’t need to attend some powerlifting meets to press that much to prove their strength.

I travel quite a lot in Europe and I’ve seen and trained with girls lifting that much. Even more. One of the girls was French, 62kg if I remember well, and the max she lifted when I spotted her was 105kgs. I don’t know what that is in pounds, sorry, can’t be bothered to check, lol. And that was 2 years ago. Ah sorry, I didn’t film that!!! So yeah you won’t believe me… damn!

Meh, those girls aren’t in the pls record books. Totally unknown badass bitches who just go to their local gym to lift because they enjoy the pump and don’t want to be bothered with all that number shit. So when I read there aren’t many women who can do this apart from some pro powerlifters, I just want to laugh. Seriously.

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105kg = approx 230lbs.

I don’t think anyone is saying that there aren’t women out there that can bench 225 raw/natural. There are.

However, OBoile is looking at PL records and numbers etc. That is an environment in which women and men are ‘statistically more likely’ to be able to bench larger numbers since that is what they train and compete to do. If you aren’t seeing it in an environment that intuitively should contain a larger percentage of the heavy benching population, one can assume that it is likely even lower in the general population.

That doesn’t mean that this phenomenon doesn’t exist. It just means that it isn’t terribly common.

I’m just jealous though because 225 would bury me :slight_smile:
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At your last meet how many PL Women competed? [/quote]

My last completed was nationals. There were 9 women in bench only and 39 full meet.
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As a female who competes do you think the number of women competing on a national level is a true statistical representation for ALL woman who lift?

PL is not the NFL, you do not have literally millions of people trying to get into it. You know I respect you and every other women who I have interacted with in the past. So I am not making any sexist comments. :slight_smile:

My point being that do you think maybe there are a SHIT ton of woman who just lift weights cause they are employed, married and mothers? Do you think maybe there is shit going on in life that doesnt make the internet? [/quote]

Of course there are people out there lifting whose numbers don’t make national results or the internet or even the evening news.

I don’t think that the number of people competing on a national level are representative of anything more than people competing on a national level. However, I would expect that their skill level would be higher than the average population because they train to compete and have made it over a number of hurdles to qualify for national competition.

My point is not that there aren’t people who have better numbers in the general population but that the ‘average’ calibre is likely to be higher at that level than the general population due to the above mentioned qualifiers. This doesn’t speak to specifics or specific individuals; it speaks to general populations. If on average 10% of women competing in higher level powerlifting achieved a 225lb bench, the percentage is likely to be lower in the general population because there aren’t the same qualifiers that have culled the population sample. (btw 10% is completely made up as a sample)[/quote]

Can not disagree with that. You have a perspective that I do not have that was why I asked you. If 225 seems to be a benchmark that is higher than what I guess it is.

I just have a hard time when someone with there own experience in life and has credible credentials is basically told they are a liar. (Not referring to you). Having a discussion about the different perspectives in life is one thing.

Okay carry on.[/quote]

I don’t think he is a liar (why would he lie about this anyway), I simply think he is wrong. Either he’s looking at an exceptional group of women (possibly due to drug use as that would almost certainly lead to far bigger benches) or he is remembering the select few that he’s seen while forgetting all the girls he saw benching little more than the bar. Either way, among the general population it is very rare.

And FYI, I have almost exactly the same perspective as ouro on this. She’s my friend and my wife (and I) compete in the same federation as her and generally in the same contests since we both live in the same area.[/quote]

Okay read my last post. My point should hopefully make it clear what I am saying. Also read what I said to ouro (I have no idea what her screen name means, is that a canadian thing?) in regards to perspective.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

My point being that do you think maybe there are a SHIT ton of woman who just lift weights cause they are employed, married and mothers? Do you think maybe there is shit going on in life that doesnt make the internet? [/quote]

I’m sure there are.

But, do you think this group of women would, on average, be stronger than powerlifters or members of T-Nation? If so, why?

Chances are, if a 225 bench is rare among women who train and compete specifically to maximize their bench, its rare everywhere.[/quote]

Why cause not many women go into PL that is evident by what was stated earlier. Not many women go into porn but there are women who do have sex outside video and the internet.

Your second point may be true, however like I have already stated, my argument was about what Rod stated. HE HAS in his experience which is NOT associated with PL meets, BUT in a totally different country and culture it is not AS rare. He has spent the last X number of years with women who can train daily, exercise, sleep and eat well with the military. They also are probably not competing in a PL meet in the US. You do not believe him WHY?

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I don’t believe him because it is very unlikely that the women he associates with are on average significantly stronger than female powerlifters. And even if by for some crazy reason they are, they certainly aren’t representative of the average population (who is almost certainly weaker than PL’ers on average). I’d be willing to accept that the military may have some strong benchers. Certainly when my wife competed at the World Police and Fire games, there were a lot of good benches but basicaly no good deadlifters. But again, that isn’t representative of the average female.

Mainly, I don’t believe him because, having followed female powerlifting very closely (my wife is quite competitive in it) at both the national (Canadian) and international level, I know how rare this actually is. Particularly for women who aren’t very big (as per my original comment) and don’t use steroids.

If I were to tell you that 500 lb benches were common for guys, you would (obviously) think I was wrong. If I were to tell you that sub 11 seconds in the 100m for women was common, you’d immediately know I was wrong.

My point is that saying 225 is common for females - particularly small ones (and ones that aren’t on drugs) - is so far from being realistic that it can be dismissed out of hand (much like my comment about seeing a woman fly by flapping her arms). IMO it is far more likely that he is either looking at a very extreme sample, or he is simply forgetting all the average lifters he’s seen.

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she looks like she is on PEDs, that’s my take on it.

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i like her shoes though.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

My point being that do you think maybe there are a SHIT ton of woman who just lift weights cause they are employed, married and mothers? Do you think maybe there is shit going on in life that doesnt make the internet? [/quote]

I’m sure there are.

But, do you think this group of women would, on average, be stronger than powerlifters or members of T-Nation? If so, why?

Chances are, if a 225 bench is rare among women who train and compete specifically to maximize their bench, its rare everywhere.[/quote]

Why cause not many women go into PL that is evident by what was stated earlier. Not many women go into porn but there are women who do have sex outside video and the internet.

Your second point may be true, however like I have already stated, my argument was about what Rod stated. HE HAS in his experience which is NOT associated with PL meets, BUT in a totally different country and culture it is not AS rare. He has spent the last X number of years with women who can train daily, exercise, sleep and eat well with the military. They also are probably not competing in a PL meet in the US. You do not believe him WHY?

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I don’t believe him because it is very unlikely that the women he associates with are on average significantly stronger than female powerlifters. And even if by for some crazy reason they are, they certainly aren’t representative of the average population (who is almost certainly weaker than PL’ers on average). I’d be willing to accept that the military may have some strong benchers. Certainly when my wife competed at the World Police and Fire games, there were a lot of good benches but basicaly no good deadlifters. But again, that isn’t representative of the average female.

Mainly, I don’t believe him because, having followed female powerlifting very closely (my wife is quite competitive in it) at both the national (Canadian) and international level, I know how rare this actually is. Particularly for women who aren’t very big (as per my original comment) and don’t use steroids.

If I were to tell you that 500 lb benches were common for guys, you would (obviously) think I was wrong. If I were to tell you that sub 11 seconds in the 100m for women was common, you’d immediately know I was wrong.

My point is that saying 225 is common for females - particularly small ones (and ones that aren’t on drugs) - is so far from being realistic that it can be dismissed out of hand (much like my comment about seeing a woman fly by flapping her arms). IMO it is far more likely that he is either looking at a very extreme sample, or he is simply forgetting all the average lifters he’s seen.[/quote]

You have valid points with this post, and yes his perspective is skewed that is what I was saying. BUT does that make his statement for himself wrong?

A Quaker would probably tell you that he rarely sees black people, there are a lot of black people in the world. He just never sees them and would say that maybe there are not that many out there. THAT was my point and also you have the same perspective you have blinders on to the PL world and so you want to associate that fact to every aspect.

I personally just dont find it as impossible as you do, am I wrong hell yes could be. I dont have a perspective like you or Rod, I just dont think anybody should be quick to dismiss someone else perspective in life.

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I like her and support women like her. It only makes our species stronger.

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I think this thread is a good demonstration of a common logical fallacy: appeal to probability. We know women CAN bench 225. In Rod’s case, he’s seen it more than once, apparently. The fallacy is thinking that because it can happen or because the individual has seen it that it must happen often, or that it isn’t rare. I have to agree with O’Boile and Tom in that it is far more likely he’s seen it a few times but has forgotten the innumerable non-225 benches. I would be willing to guarantee that even among women in the military it is rare, let’s say less than 5%. We all are victim to logical fallacies far too often for me to believe otherwise.