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[quote]debraD wrote:
You guys are acting like results at American powerlifting meets for female lifters is a valid benchmark for women’s strength. It is not. On the world stage, American women are weak. The top ranking American woman weightlifter is somewhere in the hundreds worldwide. Think about that for a minute, the BEST in the whole country.

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They would be. We’re talking about drug tested clean women . America has had hold medal winners in the Olympics, Tara Nott. She was doing double bodyweight c&js . But she’s rare . She’s a record setter. And she’s much under the men’s record for the same weight.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

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[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
I don’t see why it’s so hard to believe she has touched PEDs. The difference in a regular man’s testosterone levels and a woman’s is tremendous . You achieve a certain level of muscularity and you will be suspect whether or not you do.

For men it’s nothing to see a natural 225-315 raw bench . Women 225 is maybe more rare than 405 for a guy .[/quote]

225 for a lady is not rare. Unless the handful of ladies I encountered in a short span of time, in a pretty small location, were all taking PEDs. [/quote]
Unless the lady is pretty big, like > 150 lbs then 225 is pretty rare (and even then it isn’t common).
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2010/2010_Raw_Nationals_Results.htm
At the USAPL raw nationals, there was exactly 1 woman who did it. There were a lot of top women missing from this but still, it isn’t common.
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2011/2011_Arnold_Results.htm
At the Arnold’s it looks like there were 3 total.[/quote]

You’re basing that on who showed up at these events? 7+ billion people in the world… Just saying. While one of the ladies I mentioned is a big’un, the one that really sticks out in my mind was the finest got-damn Navy chick I’d ever laid eyes on. And she was all of 135. She repped out with 205. Again, it’s not that rare. Just my opinion, though. [/quote]

Given that the events are the USAPL national championships and the Arnold which has fairly difficult qualifying requirments and is one of the most prestigous PL events out there… Yeah I’m quite comfortable basing that on who showed up.

If it is rare among women who compete competitively at the national level do you really think it is common at the local gym?[/quote]

I never said it was common, but it’s just not that rare, at least not in my travels and such. Not everyone who trains looks to compete in events such as those. Just sayin… [/quote]

And quite simply I’m telling you that you’re wrong. It is very rare.[/quote]

Wait, are you saying that what he saw with his own eyes was wrong? Someone from the US who has spent many years abroad working out in various gyms? Really?[/quote]
Pretty much yes that’s what I’m saying. The facts don’t support what he claims to have seen.[/quote]

Sorry but this gets back to another argument on here (TNation) that because it is not on the internet or logged on at a PL meet then it couldnt happen. We also have already discussed this over the last page, did you read the discussion?

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I saw numerous women (without steroids no less) fly by flapping their arms.
I’ve seen lots of women run sub 11 seconds 100m locally.
I’ve seen lots of women win dunk contests.

Prove me wrong.

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[quote]debraD wrote:
You guys are acting like results at American powerlifting meets for female lifters is a valid benchmark for women’s strength. It is not. On the world stage, American women are weak. The top ranking American woman weightlifter is somewhere in the hundreds worldwide. Think about that for a minute, the BEST in the whole country.

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If you have to go beyond the national level, I’d say that qualifies as “rare”.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
I don’t see why it’s so hard to believe she has touched PEDs. The difference in a regular man’s testosterone levels and a woman’s is tremendous . You achieve a certain level of muscularity and you will be suspect whether or not you do.

For men it’s nothing to see a natural 225-315 raw bench . Women 225 is maybe more rare than 405 for a guy .[/quote]

225 for a lady is not rare. Unless the handful of ladies I encountered in a short span of time, in a pretty small location, were all taking PEDs. [/quote]
Unless the lady is pretty big, like > 150 lbs then 225 is pretty rare (and even then it isn’t common).
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2010/2010_Raw_Nationals_Results.htm
At the USAPL raw nationals, there was exactly 1 woman who did it. There were a lot of top women missing from this but still, it isn’t common.
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2011/2011_Arnold_Results.htm
At the Arnold’s it looks like there were 3 total.[/quote]

You’re basing that on who showed up at these events? 7+ billion people in the world… Just saying. While one of the ladies I mentioned is a big’un, the one that really sticks out in my mind was the finest got-damn Navy chick I’d ever laid eyes on. And she was all of 135. She repped out with 205. Again, it’s not that rare. Just my opinion, though. [/quote]

Given that the events are the USAPL national championships and the Arnold which has fairly difficult qualifying requirments and is one of the most prestigous PL events out there… Yeah I’m quite comfortable basing that on who showed up.

If it is rare among women who compete competitively at the national level do you really think it is common at the local gym?[/quote]

I never said it was common, but it’s just not that rare, at least not in my travels and such. Not everyone who trains looks to compete in events such as those. Just sayin… [/quote]

And quite simply I’m telling you that you’re wrong. It is very rare.[/quote]

Wait, are you saying that what he saw with his own eyes was wrong? Someone from the US who has spent many years abroad working out in various gyms? Really?[/quote]
Pretty much yes that’s what I’m saying. The facts don’t support what he claims to have seen.[/quote]

Sorry but this gets back to another argument on here (TNation) that because it is not on the internet or logged on at a PL meet then it couldnt happen. We also have already discussed this over the last page, did you read the discussion?

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I saw numerous women (without steroids no less) fly by flapping their arms.
I’ve seen lots of women run sub 11 seconds 100m locally.
I’ve seen lots of women win dunk contests.

Prove me wrong.[/quote]

Sorry sir, I give people respect no matter the internet or not, I also have seen things in the medical field that if you listen to instructors or read in a book is not possible. The human body is an amazing thing.

You want to have an intelligent conversion I am fine with that, however if you must resort to antics and stupidity then I will bow out.

There are valid and legitimate reasons why and how Rod made the statement he did. You are equating what he wrote to some silly childish argument. Why? Do you really feel superior to Rod and his experiences in life?

Your only rebuttal is internet results, Tom has more valid argument then you do and he approaches it with the demeanor of an adult.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
You guys are acting like results at American powerlifting meets for female lifters is a valid benchmark for women’s strength. It is not. On the world stage, American women are weak. The top ranking American woman weightlifter is somewhere in the hundreds worldwide. Think about that for a minute, the BEST in the whole country.

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If you have to go beyond the national level, I’d say that qualifies as “rare”.[/quote]

Exactly. People need to look up a standard distribution curve.

Rebecca Swanson might be arguably the strongest woman ever. She was the strongest I have seen.

Take away steroids and gear and who knows what she would lift. I saw her hit 500 in a bench shirt at a Wpo meet . And guys close to 100 pounds lighter were doing the same weights.

So if we take away steroids, and take away bench shirts we’ll see more raw 405 benches than 225 women’s benches.

I shouldn’t need to remind anyone about the Chinese and other countries and drug tests . Many countries try to keep lifters clean and eligible . They don’t police.

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My son has no were near my experience and he’s never seen a 225 raw women’s bench . Even if we tame all women and train them for a weight sport , it’s going to fall in the same pattern.

And if all men train we’re not going to get to many more Bridges,Coans,or Gants. But it’s not like only three women have ever lifted compared to 500 men. We have a huge sample to draw from

Take Holley Mangold, from True Life. This year she did a 130 c&j,about 286 pounds. She weighs over 300. She has great genetics and I’m sure she could bench 225. So we have a female from a family with an NFL player for a brother who is trying to get in the Olympics. Compare that to men of any weight doing the same lift.

Holley is rare while those other guys would range from the 120 to over 300 lbs. The light guys would be very rate while the bigger guys would be much more common.

How many d1 football players could clean that weight? How many d2,d3,andhigh school? 1000?2000? And we might have 5-10 women in the 198 plus range.

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But this thread was started by a guy who wondered if a female athlete was using . Chinese women weightlifters might not be the best example to compare to if we’re talking drug free.

A below average woman or average woman or above average woman all can improve their strength levels tremendously naturally but the same general distribution is going to fall with strength levels much lower than a man 's due to the hormonal differences primarily . It’s not like this has never been studied .

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

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[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
I don’t see why it’s so hard to believe she has touched PEDs. The difference in a regular man’s testosterone levels and a woman’s is tremendous . You achieve a certain level of muscularity and you will be suspect whether or not you do.

For men it’s nothing to see a natural 225-315 raw bench . Women 225 is maybe more rare than 405 for a guy .[/quote]

225 for a lady is not rare. Unless the handful of ladies I encountered in a short span of time, in a pretty small location, were all taking PEDs. [/quote]
Unless the lady is pretty big, like > 150 lbs then 225 is pretty rare (and even then it isn’t common).
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2010/2010_Raw_Nationals_Results.htm
At the USAPL raw nationals, there was exactly 1 woman who did it. There were a lot of top women missing from this but still, it isn’t common.
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2011/2011_Arnold_Results.htm
At the Arnold’s it looks like there were 3 total.[/quote]

You’re basing that on who showed up at these events? 7+ billion people in the world… Just saying. While one of the ladies I mentioned is a big’un, the one that really sticks out in my mind was the finest got-damn Navy chick I’d ever laid eyes on. And she was all of 135. She repped out with 205. Again, it’s not that rare. Just my opinion, though. [/quote]

Given that the events are the USAPL national championships and the Arnold which has fairly difficult qualifying requirments and is one of the most prestigous PL events out there… Yeah I’m quite comfortable basing that on who showed up.

If it is rare among women who compete competitively at the national level do you really think it is common at the local gym?[/quote]

I never said it was common, but it’s just not that rare, at least not in my travels and such. Not everyone who trains looks to compete in events such as those. Just sayin… [/quote]

And quite simply I’m telling you that you’re wrong. It is very rare.[/quote]

Wait, are you saying that what he saw with his own eyes was wrong? Someone from the US who has spent many years abroad working out in various gyms? Really?[/quote]
Pretty much yes that’s what I’m saying. The facts don’t support what he claims to have seen.[/quote]

Sorry but this gets back to another argument on here (TNation) that because it is not on the internet or logged on at a PL meet then it couldnt happen. We also have already discussed this over the last page, did you read the discussion?

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I saw numerous women (without steroids no less) fly by flapping their arms.
I’ve seen lots of women run sub 11 seconds 100m locally.
I’ve seen lots of women win dunk contests.

Prove me wrong.[/quote]

Sorry sir, I give people respect no matter the internet or not, I also have seen things in the medical field that if you listen to instructors or read in a book is not possible. The human body is an amazing thing.

You want to have an intelligent conversion I am fine with that, however if you must resort to antics and stupidity then I will bow out.

There are valid and legitimate reasons why and how Rod made the statement he did. You are equating what he wrote to some silly childish argument. Why? Do you really feel superior to Rod and his experiences in life?

Your only rebuttal is internet results, Tom has more valid argument then you do and he approaches it with the demeanor of an adult. [/quote]

So my only rebuttal is “facts”? What exactly could be more valid?

Please, show me vidoes of these lifts? Show me results where these lifts are common.
In ~15 PL meets that I’ve attened, I’ve never seen a raw 225 bench and of the women I know in the sport (maybe 100 total) I can think of one that can do it fairly easily and another that is close. Both compete at ~160 so heavier than at least some of the women he claims to see regularly.

Rod’s statement is no different than the brand new poster that comes on here an claims a 500 lb squat at under 200 lb bodyweight. The FIRST thing people do is ask for proof.

Rod has made claims that simply aren’t backed up by competition results. Until he can PROOVE that he somehow associates with women who are stronger on average than PLs I won’t believe him.

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If I understand well, only some competing female powerlifters are capable of pressing 225lb, -that’s what… 100kgs, right?.. Any other woman - non competing or who doesn’t belong to a PLs federation - out there can’t do the same, since there is no video proving it. It is rare. Right?

In the entire whole world… wow, guys you need to get out a little bit more. It’s not only in America that women bench press, ya know…? And some strong, natural women don’t need to attend some powerlifting meets to press that much to prove their strength.

I travel quite a lot in Europe and I’ve seen and trained with girls lifting that much. Even more. One of the girls was French, 62kg if I remember well, and the max she lifted when I spotted her was 105kgs. I don’t know what that is in pounds, sorry, can’t be bothered to check, lol. And that was 2 years ago. Ah sorry, I didn’t film that!!! So yeah you won’t believe me… damn!

Meh, those girls aren’t in the pls record books. Totally unknown badass bitches who just go to their local gym to lift because they enjoy the pump and don’t want to be bothered with all that number shit. So when I read there aren’t many women who can do this apart from some pro powerlifters, I just want to laugh. Seriously.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
If I understand well, only some competing female powerlifters are capable of pressing 225lb, -that’s what… 100kgs, right?.. Any other woman - non competing or who doesn’t belong to a PLs federation - out there can’t do the same, since there is no video proving it. It is rare. Right?

In the entire whole world… wow, guys you need to get out a little bit more. It’s not only in America that women bench press, ya know…? And some strong, natural women don’t need to attend some powerlifting meets to press that much to prove their strength.

I travel quite a lot in Europe and I’ve seen and trained with girls lifting that much. Even more. One of the girls was French, 62kg if I remember well, and the max she lifted when I spotted her was 105kgs. I don’t know what that is in pounds, sorry, can’t be bothered to check, lol. And that was 2 years ago. Ah sorry, I didn’t film that!!! So yeah you won’t believe me… damn!

Meh, those girls aren’t in the pls record books. Totally unknown badass bitches who just go to their local gym to lift because they enjoy the pump and don’t want to be bothered with all that number shit. So when I read there aren’t many women who can do this apart from some pro powerlifters, I just want to laugh. Seriously.

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105kg = approx 230lbs.

I don’t think anyone is saying that there aren’t women out there that can bench 225 raw/natural. There are.

However, OBoile is looking at PL records and numbers etc. That is an environment in which women and men are ‘statistically more likely’ to be able to bench larger numbers since that is what they train and compete to do. If you aren’t seeing it in an environment that intuitively should contain a larger percentage of the heavy benching population, one can assume that it is likely even lower in the general population.

That doesn’t mean that this phenomenon doesn’t exist. It just means that it isn’t terribly common.

I’m just jealous though because 225 would bury me :slight_smile:

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
If I understand well, only some competing female powerlifters are capable of pressing 225lb, -that’s what… 100kgs, right?.. Any other woman - non competing or who doesn’t belong to a PLs federation - out there can’t do the same, since there is no video proving it. It is rare. Right?

In the entire whole world… wow, guys you need to get out a little bit more. It’s not only in America that women bench press, ya know…? And some strong, natural women don’t need to attend some powerlifting meets to press that much to prove their strength.

I travel quite a lot in Europe and I’ve seen and trained with girls lifting that much. Even more. One of the girls was French, 62kg if I remember well, and the max she lifted when I spotted her was 105kgs. I don’t know what that is in pounds, sorry, can’t be bothered to check, lol. And that was 2 years ago. Ah sorry, I didn’t film that!!! So yeah you won’t believe me… damn!

Meh, those girls aren’t in the pls record books. Totally unknown badass bitches who just go to their local gym to lift because they enjoy the pump and don’t want to be bothered with all that number shit. So when I read there aren’t many women who can do this apart from some pro powerlifters, I just want to laugh. Seriously.

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None of the girls in my gym bench over 45 pounds. So there.

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
If I understand well, only some competing female powerlifters are capable of pressing 225lb, -that’s what… 100kgs, right?.. Any other woman - non competing or who doesn’t belong to a PLs federation - out there can’t do the same, since there is no video proving it. It is rare. Right?

In the entire whole world… wow, guys you need to get out a little bit more. It’s not only in America that women bench press, ya know…? And some strong, natural women don’t need to attend some powerlifting meets to press that much to prove their strength.

I travel quite a lot in Europe and I’ve seen and trained with girls lifting that much. Even more. One of the girls was French, 62kg if I remember well, and the max she lifted when I spotted her was 105kgs. I don’t know what that is in pounds, sorry, can’t be bothered to check, lol. And that was 2 years ago. Ah sorry, I didn’t film that!!! So yeah you won’t believe me… damn!

Meh, those girls aren’t in the pls record books. Totally unknown badass bitches who just go to their local gym to lift because they enjoy the pump and don’t want to be bothered with all that number shit. So when I read there aren’t many women who can do this apart from some pro powerlifters, I just want to laugh. Seriously.

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105kg = approx 230lbs.

I don’t think anyone is saying that there aren’t women out there that can bench 225 raw/natural. There are.

However, OBoile is looking at PL records and numbers etc. That is an environment in which women and men are ‘statistically more likely’ to be able to bench larger numbers since that is what they train and compete to do. If you aren’t seeing it in an environment that intuitively should contain a larger percentage of the heavy benching population, one can assume that it is likely even lower in the general population.

That doesn’t mean that this phenomenon doesn’t exist. It just means that it isn’t terribly common.

I’m just jealous though because 225 would bury me :slight_smile:
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At your last meet how many PL Women competed?

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
If I understand well, only some competing female powerlifters are capable of pressing 225lb, -that’s what… 100kgs, right?.. Any other woman - non competing or who doesn’t belong to a PLs federation - out there can’t do the same, since there is no video proving it. It is rare. Right?

In the entire whole world… wow, guys you need to get out a little bit more. It’s not only in America that women bench press, ya know…? And some strong, natural women don’t need to attend some powerlifting meets to press that much to prove their strength.

I travel quite a lot in Europe and I’ve seen and trained with girls lifting that much. Even more. One of the girls was French, 62kg if I remember well, and the max she lifted when I spotted her was 105kgs. I don’t know what that is in pounds, sorry, can’t be bothered to check, lol. And that was 2 years ago. Ah sorry, I didn’t film that!!! So yeah you won’t believe me… damn!

Meh, those girls aren’t in the pls record books. Totally unknown badass bitches who just go to their local gym to lift because they enjoy the pump and don’t want to be bothered with all that number shit. So when I read there aren’t many women who can do this apart from some pro powerlifters, I just want to laugh. Seriously.

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105kg = approx 230lbs.

I don’t think anyone is saying that there aren’t women out there that can bench 225 raw/natural. There are.

However, OBoile is looking at PL records and numbers etc. That is an environment in which women and men are ‘statistically more likely’ to be able to bench larger numbers since that is what they train and compete to do. If you aren’t seeing it in an environment that intuitively should contain a larger percentage of the heavy benching population, one can assume that it is likely even lower in the general population.

That doesn’t mean that this phenomenon doesn’t exist. It just means that it isn’t terribly common.

I’m just jealous though because 225 would bury me :slight_smile:
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I hear ya :slight_smile:

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
If I understand well, only some competing female powerlifters are capable of pressing 225lb, -that’s what… 100kgs, right?.. Any other woman - non competing or who doesn’t belong to a PLs federation - out there can’t do the same, since there is no video proving it. It is rare. Right?

In the entire whole world… wow, guys you need to get out a little bit more. It’s not only in America that women bench press, ya know…? And some strong, natural women don’t need to attend some powerlifting meets to press that much to prove their strength.

I travel quite a lot in Europe and I’ve seen and trained with girls lifting that much. Even more. One of the girls was French, 62kg if I remember well, and the max she lifted when I spotted her was 105kgs. I don’t know what that is in pounds, sorry, can’t be bothered to check, lol. And that was 2 years ago. Ah sorry, I didn’t film that!!! So yeah you won’t believe me… damn!

Meh, those girls aren’t in the pls record books. Totally unknown badass bitches who just go to their local gym to lift because they enjoy the pump and don’t want to be bothered with all that number shit. So when I read there aren’t many women who can do this apart from some pro powerlifters, I just want to laugh. Seriously.

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None of the girls in my gym bench over 45 pounds. So there.[/quote]

Big shame.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
If I understand well, only some competing female powerlifters are capable of pressing 225lb, -that’s what… 100kgs, right?.. Any other woman - non competing or who doesn’t belong to a PLs federation - out there can’t do the same, since there is no video proving it. It is rare. Right?

In the entire whole world… wow, guys you need to get out a little bit more. It’s not only in America that women bench press, ya know…? And some strong, natural women don’t need to attend some powerlifting meets to press that much to prove their strength.

I travel quite a lot in Europe and I’ve seen and trained with girls lifting that much. Even more. One of the girls was French, 62kg if I remember well, and the max she lifted when I spotted her was 105kgs. I don’t know what that is in pounds, sorry, can’t be bothered to check, lol. And that was 2 years ago. Ah sorry, I didn’t film that!!! So yeah you won’t believe me… damn!

Meh, those girls aren’t in the pls record books. Totally unknown badass bitches who just go to their local gym to lift because they enjoy the pump and don’t want to be bothered with all that number shit. So when I read there aren’t many women who can do this apart from some pro powerlifters, I just want to laugh. Seriously.

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DN,

Unfortunately, you will see that attitude alot on here. I had a thread where I was answering questions about how I train and when they asked me some of the weights I was using, it turned into the same type of clusterfuck. A person who loves to lift and push him or herself does it for the love of doing it, and for those people, the truest form of competition is with themselves. Like DJHT stated, human beings are capable of some pretty incredible things. Just because it’s outside of your frame of reference, doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened or isn’t possible.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
If I understand well, only some competing female powerlifters are capable of pressing 225lb, -that’s what… 100kgs, right?.. Any other woman - non competing or who doesn’t belong to a PLs federation - out there can’t do the same, since there is no video proving it. It is rare. Right?

In the entire whole world… wow, guys you need to get out a little bit more. It’s not only in America that women bench press, ya know…? And some strong, natural women don’t need to attend some powerlifting meets to press that much to prove their strength.

I travel quite a lot in Europe and I’ve seen and trained with girls lifting that much. Even more. One of the girls was French, 62kg if I remember well, and the max she lifted when I spotted her was 105kgs. I don’t know what that is in pounds, sorry, can’t be bothered to check, lol. And that was 2 years ago. Ah sorry, I didn’t film that!!! So yeah you won’t believe me… damn!

Meh, those girls aren’t in the pls record books. Totally unknown badass bitches who just go to their local gym to lift because they enjoy the pump and don’t want to be bothered with all that number shit. So when I read there aren’t many women who can do this apart from some pro powerlifters, I just want to laugh. Seriously.

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105kg = approx 230lbs.

I don’t think anyone is saying that there aren’t women out there that can bench 225 raw/natural. There are.

However, OBoile is looking at PL records and numbers etc. That is an environment in which women and men are ‘statistically more likely’ to be able to bench larger numbers since that is what they train and compete to do. If you aren’t seeing it in an environment that intuitively should contain a larger percentage of the heavy benching population, one can assume that it is likely even lower in the general population.

That doesn’t mean that this phenomenon doesn’t exist. It just means that it isn’t terribly common.

I’m just jealous though because 225 would bury me :slight_smile:
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At your last meet how many PL Women competed? [/quote]

My last completed was nationals. There were 9 women in bench only and 39 full meet.

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
If I understand well, only some competing female powerlifters are capable of pressing 225lb, -that’s what… 100kgs, right?.. Any other woman - non competing or who doesn’t belong to a PLs federation - out there can’t do the same, since there is no video proving it. It is rare. Right?

In the entire whole world… wow, guys you need to get out a little bit more. It’s not only in America that women bench press, ya know…? And some strong, natural women don’t need to attend some powerlifting meets to press that much to prove their strength.

I travel quite a lot in Europe and I’ve seen and trained with girls lifting that much. Even more. One of the girls was French, 62kg if I remember well, and the max she lifted when I spotted her was 105kgs. I don’t know what that is in pounds, sorry, can’t be bothered to check, lol. And that was 2 years ago. Ah sorry, I didn’t film that!!! So yeah you won’t believe me… damn!

Meh, those girls aren’t in the pls record books. Totally unknown badass bitches who just go to their local gym to lift because they enjoy the pump and don’t want to be bothered with all that number shit. So when I read there aren’t many women who can do this apart from some pro powerlifters, I just want to laugh. Seriously.

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105kg = approx 230lbs.

I don’t think anyone is saying that there aren’t women out there that can bench 225 raw/natural. There are.

However, OBoile is looking at PL records and numbers etc. That is an environment in which women and men are ‘statistically more likely’ to be able to bench larger numbers since that is what they train and compete to do. If you aren’t seeing it in an environment that intuitively should contain a larger percentage of the heavy benching population, one can assume that it is likely even lower in the general population.

That doesn’t mean that this phenomenon doesn’t exist. It just means that it isn’t terribly common.

I’m just jealous though because 225 would bury me :slight_smile:
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At your last meet how many PL Women competed? [/quote]

My last completed was nationals. There were 9 women in bench only and 39 full meet.
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As a female who competes do you think the number of women competing on a national level is a true statistical representation for ALL woman who lift?

PL is not the NFL, you do not have literally millions of people trying to get into it. You know I respect you and every other women who I have interacted with in the past. So I am not making any sexist comments. :slight_smile:

My point being that do you think maybe there are a SHIT ton of woman who just lift weights cause they are employed, married and mothers? Do you think maybe there is shit going on in life that doesnt make the internet?

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
If I understand well, only some competing female powerlifters are capable of pressing 225lb, -that’s what… 100kgs, right?.. Any other woman - non competing or who doesn’t belong to a PLs federation - out there can’t do the same, since there is no video proving it. It is rare. Right?

In the entire whole world… wow, guys you need to get out a little bit more. It’s not only in America that women bench press, ya know…? And some strong, natural women don’t need to attend some powerlifting meets to press that much to prove their strength.

I travel quite a lot in Europe and I’ve seen and trained with girls lifting that much. Even more. One of the girls was French, 62kg if I remember well, and the max she lifted when I spotted her was 105kgs. I don’t know what that is in pounds, sorry, can’t be bothered to check, lol. And that was 2 years ago. Ah sorry, I didn’t film that!!! So yeah you won’t believe me… damn!

Meh, those girls aren’t in the pls record books. Totally unknown badass bitches who just go to their local gym to lift because they enjoy the pump and don’t want to be bothered with all that number shit. So when I read there aren’t many women who can do this apart from some pro powerlifters, I just want to laugh. Seriously.

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DN,

Unfortunately, you will see that attitude alot on here. I had a thread where I was answering questions about how I train and when they asked me some of the weights I was using, it turned into the same type of clusterfuck. A person who loves to lift and push him or herself does it for the love of doing it, and for those people, the truest form of competition is with themselves. Like DJHT stated, human beings are capable of some pretty incredible things. Just because it’s outside of your frame of reference, doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened or isn’t possible. [/quote]

I understand.

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My point being that do you think maybe there are a SHIT ton of woman who just lift weights cause they are employed, married and mothers? Do you think maybe there is shit going on in life that doesnt make the internet? [/quote]

Of course not. The internet is the center of EVERYTHING, isn’t it? :wink: