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You’re correct. I’ve seen lifting meets for thirty years, been in multiple gyms and maybe know one gal that wasn’t 200+ that did 225,a not to impressive weight for a man . She was a very masculine lady weighing about 225 and I’m pretty sure she had a girlfriend the last time I saw her.

Gals that were doing 135-145 were pretty uncommon. My ex wife and sister both did 135 weighing less than that . And that was not to common then .

Take away shirts and drugs and 225 isn’t happening very often . It’s that guys have 10x the testosterone on average thing .

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
I don’t see why it’s so hard to believe she has touched PEDs. The difference in a regular man’s testosterone levels and a woman’s is tremendous . You achieve a certain level of muscularity and you will be suspect whether or not you do.

For men it’s nothing to see a natural 225-315 raw bench . Women 225 is maybe more rare than 405 for a guy .[/quote]

225 for a lady is not rare. Unless the handful of ladies I encountered in a short span of time, in a pretty small location, were all taking PEDs. [/quote]
Unless the lady is pretty big, like > 150 lbs then 225 is pretty rare (and even then it isn’t common).
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2010/2010_Raw_Nationals_Results.htm
At the USAPL raw nationals, there was exactly 1 woman who did it. There were a lot of top women missing from this but still, it isn’t common.
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2011/2011_Arnold_Results.htm
At the Arnold’s it looks like there were 3 total.[/quote]

You’re basing that on who showed up at these events? 7+ billion people in the world… Just saying. While one of the ladies I mentioned is a big’un, the one that really sticks out in my mind was the finest got-damn Navy chick I’d ever laid eyes on. And she was all of 135. She repped out with 205. Again, it’s not that rare. Just my opinion, though. [/quote]

Given that the events are the USAPL national championships and the Arnold which has fairly difficult qualifying requirments and is one of the most prestigous PL events out there… Yeah I’m quite comfortable basing that on who showed up.

If it is rare among women who compete competitively at the national level do you really think it is common at the local gym?[/quote]

I never said it was common, but it’s just not that rare, at least not in my travels and such. Not everyone who trains looks to compete in events such as those. Just sayin… [/quote]

And quite simply I’m telling you that you’re wrong. It is very rare.[/quote]

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
I don’t see why it’s so hard to believe she has touched PEDs. The difference in a regular man’s testosterone levels and a woman’s is tremendous . You achieve a certain level of muscularity and you will be suspect whether or not you do.

For men it’s nothing to see a natural 225-315 raw bench . Women 225 is maybe more rare than 405 for a guy .[/quote]

225 for a lady is not rare. Unless the handful of ladies I encountered in a short span of time, in a pretty small location, were all taking PEDs. [/quote]
Unless the lady is pretty big, like > 150 lbs then 225 is pretty rare (and even then it isn’t common).
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2010/2010_Raw_Nationals_Results.htm
At the USAPL raw nationals, there was exactly 1 woman who did it. There were a lot of top women missing from this but still, it isn’t common.
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2011/2011_Arnold_Results.htm
At the Arnold’s it looks like there were 3 total.[/quote]

You’re basing that on who showed up at these events? 7+ billion people in the world… Just saying. While one of the ladies I mentioned is a big’un, the one that really sticks out in my mind was the finest got-damn Navy chick I’d ever laid eyes on. And she was all of 135. She repped out with 205. Again, it’s not that rare. Just my opinion, though. [/quote]

Given that the events are the USAPL national championships and the Arnold which has fairly difficult qualifying requirments and is one of the most prestigous PL events out there… Yeah I’m quite comfortable basing that on who showed up.

If it is rare among women who compete competitively at the national level do you really think it is common at the local gym?[/quote]

I never said it was common, but it’s just not that rare, at least not in my travels and such. Not everyone who trains looks to compete in events such as those. Just sayin… [/quote]

And quite simply I’m telling you that you’re wrong. It is very rare.[/quote]

Wanna take this outside, bruh???

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He’s saying it’s not rare. I also know a lottery winner for one of those big prizes. Because I saw something or know someone who did something doesn’t mean it isn’t rare.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
He’s saying it’s not rare. I also know a lottery winner for one of those big prizes. Because I saw something or know someone who did something doesn’t mean it isn’t rare.[/quote]

Again, when you’ve seen it, personally, in many locations and such, rare gets tossed. Just my opinion on the matter. Take it for what it’s worth.

Where can I find this lottery winner? :stuck_out_tongue:

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In the early .80s a 123 woman cracked the plusa top 100 . Vicky Steenrod,sp. She used. Her bench was over 250 btw. She was the only woman who made it at that class.

Ruthi Shafer also cracked the male top 100 and also used. She benched over 250 also. I know of very few competitive lifters or gym lifters doing that level naturally, hence the term rare. I literally know more raw 405 benches done by natural male lifters.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
He’s saying it’s not rare. I also know a lottery winner for one of those big prizes. Because I saw something or know someone who did something doesn’t mean it isn’t rare.[/quote]

Tom question to think about this topic Rod is in the military and would that not skew the bell curve? There you chances of an increase in upper body strength due to PT of the military would make a larger portion of woman that could do higher weights.

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[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
He’s saying it’s not rare. I also know a lottery winner for one of those big prizes. Because I saw something or know someone who did something doesn’t mean it isn’t rare.[/quote]

Again, when you’ve seen it, personally, in many locations and such, rare gets tossed. Just my opinion on the matter. Take it for what it’s worth.

Where can I find this lottery winner? :P[/quote]

It’s a standard distribution and your own bias . I see many great athletes eveyone PSU game I go to. A whole slew of high school all Americans and all staters. As does 100,000 other people. That makes it common to see a d1 football player. But they’re still rare compared to the pool of high school football players . 1/100 or less is rare. Or 1/20, 1/30. It’s not to common.

Now take guys who lift and check their benches
. Then take guys who don’t lift now who didn’t. Then go to a local high school team.

Then check out women athletes and ex athletes the same way. You’ll find many more lifts of 225+ in the men’s group.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
He’s saying it’s not rare. I also know a lottery winner for one of those big prizes. Because I saw something or know someone who did something doesn’t mean it isn’t rare.[/quote]

Tom question to think about this topic Rod is in the military and would that not skew the bell curve? There you chances of an increase in upper body strength due to PT of the military would make a larger portion of woman that could do higher weights. [/quote]

Sure it could. But he’s confusing rare in numbers and seeing something. I posted about psu football . D 1 athletes are rare compared to high school athletes. But 105,000 people + go to those games. See we all see them. But how many are at our school?

My son took the ap calculus test this summer. He scored a five, the top level which allows him to test out of two college courses of calculus. That’s rare in the general population but more common at MIT for example. But just going to MIT is rare compared to all the kids who graduate high school.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
He’s saying it’s not rare. I also know a lottery winner for one of those big prizes. Because I saw something or know someone who did something doesn’t mean it isn’t rare.[/quote]

Tom question to think about this topic Rod is in the military and would that not skew the bell curve? There you chances of an increase in upper body strength due to PT of the military would make a larger portion of woman that could do higher weights. [/quote]

Sure it could. But he’s confusing rare in numbers and seeing something. I posted about psu football . D 1 athletes are rare compared to high school athletes. But 105,000 people + go to those games. See we all see them. But how many are at our school?

My son took the ap calculus test this summer. He scored a five, the top level which allows him to test out of two college courses of calculus. That’s rare in the general population but more common at MIT for example. But just going to MIT is rare compared to all the kids who graduate high school.[/quote]

I see your point, but mine was just that, if you asked a kid at MIT he would say its not RARE at MIT, but if you asked you or I it is RARE in the general population.

So in Rods point of view it is not RARE, but to the rest of us it is. So its not like he is inaccurate with his view point, only in regards to people outside of his world.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
He’s saying it’s not rare. I also know a lottery winner for one of those big prizes. Because I saw something or know someone who did something doesn’t mean it isn’t rare.[/quote]

Tom question to think about this topic Rod is in the military and would that not skew the bell curve? There you chances of an increase in upper body strength due to PT of the military would make a larger portion of woman that could do higher weights. [/quote]

Sure it could. But he’s confusing rare in numbers and seeing something. I posted about psu football . D 1 athletes are rare compared to high school athletes. But 105,000 people + go to those games. See we all see them. But how many are at our school?

My son took the ap calculus test this summer. He scored a five, the top level which allows him to test out of two college courses of calculus. That’s rare in the general population but more common at MIT for example. But just going to MIT is rare compared to all the kids who graduate high school.[/quote]

Your arguments fall flat. Rare for you does not equal rare for all. And if I’ve gone to all these places all over the world, and literally witnessed such feats of greatness in each location…I guess that means it’s not that rare for me. Shall we simply agree to disagree?

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Beast, how many women have you seen put up 225? thats pretty tight

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[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:

No they don’t. It’s still not common for female athletes . 225 is light for weight training men. It’s very common.

It’s not common at all. This started with a does this female crossfitter do steroids ? I’m talking about male/female differences . The smaller the sample size the more you can skew the data. And I’m still looking back in my mind for competitive female athletes lifters or not and do not recall many clean raw 225 benches.

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
He’s saying it’s not rare. I also know a lottery winner for one of those big prizes. Because I saw something or know someone who did something doesn’t mean it isn’t rare.[/quote]

Tom question to think about this topic Rod is in the military and would that not skew the bell curve? There you chances of an increase in upper body strength due to PT of the military would make a larger portion of woman that could do higher weights. [/quote]

Sure it could. But he’s confusing rare in numbers and seeing something. I posted about psu football . D 1 athletes are rare compared to high school athletes. But 105,000 people + go to those games. See we all see them. But how many are at our school?

My son took the ap calculus test this summer. He scored a five, the top level which allows him to test out of two college courses of calculus. That’s rare in the general population but more common at MIT for example. But just going to MIT is rare compared to all the kids who graduate high school.[/quote]

Your arguments fall flat. Rare for you does not equal rare for all. And if I’ve gone to all these places all over the world, and literally witnessed such feats of greatness in each location…I guess that means it’s not that rare for me. Shall we simply agree to disagree?[/quote]

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[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
He’s saying it’s not rare. I also know a lottery winner for one of those big prizes. Because I saw something or know someone who did something doesn’t mean it isn’t rare.[/quote]

Tom question to think about this topic Rod is in the military and would that not skew the bell curve? There you chances of an increase in upper body strength due to PT of the military would make a larger portion of woman that could do higher weights. [/quote]

Sure it could. But he’s confusing rare in numbers and seeing something. I posted about psu football . D 1 athletes are rare compared to high school athletes. But 105,000 people + go to those games. See we all see them. But how many are at our school?

My son took the ap calculus test this summer. He scored a five, the top level which allows him to test out of two college courses of calculus. That’s rare in the general population but more common at MIT for example. But just going to MIT is rare compared to all the kids who graduate high school.[/quote]

Your arguments fall flat. Rare for you does not equal rare for all. And if I’ve gone to all these places all over the world, and literally witnessed such feats of greatness in each location…I guess that means it’s not that rare for me. Shall we simply agree to disagree?[/quote]

Quite a few. Especially during my deployments and in Korea. When there is little else to do but train, then anything, in that respect, is possible. Just my take…

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http://www.ontariopowerlifting.org/Records/powerlifting%20retired%20December%202010.htm

Here is a list of provincial records in my province. You’ll see exactly 1 open female record > 225. This is with a bench shirt no less.

It’s rare… unless you think powerlifting women are somewhat weaker than the general popluation.

Go on to the PW section of this form. I’m pretty sure won’t find a single woman there who can bench 225.

Search this page for Krista Schaus. Her current goal is a 200 lb bench at ~145 lbs. How many women do you see that look like that (and she’s still got > 10% of the way to go)?

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
I don’t see why it’s so hard to believe she has touched PEDs. The difference in a regular man’s testosterone levels and a woman’s is tremendous . You achieve a certain level of muscularity and you will be suspect whether or not you do.

For men it’s nothing to see a natural 225-315 raw bench . Women 225 is maybe more rare than 405 for a guy .[/quote]

225 for a lady is not rare. Unless the handful of ladies I encountered in a short span of time, in a pretty small location, were all taking PEDs. [/quote]
Unless the lady is pretty big, like > 150 lbs then 225 is pretty rare (and even then it isn’t common).
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2010/2010_Raw_Nationals_Results.htm
At the USAPL raw nationals, there was exactly 1 woman who did it. There were a lot of top women missing from this but still, it isn’t common.
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2011/2011_Arnold_Results.htm
At the Arnold’s it looks like there were 3 total.[/quote]

You’re basing that on who showed up at these events? 7+ billion people in the world… Just saying. While one of the ladies I mentioned is a big’un, the one that really sticks out in my mind was the finest got-damn Navy chick I’d ever laid eyes on. And she was all of 135. She repped out with 205. Again, it’s not that rare. Just my opinion, though. [/quote]

Given that the events are the USAPL national championships and the Arnold which has fairly difficult qualifying requirments and is one of the most prestigous PL events out there… Yeah I’m quite comfortable basing that on who showed up.

If it is rare among women who compete competitively at the national level do you really think it is common at the local gym?[/quote]

I never said it was common, but it’s just not that rare, at least not in my travels and such. Not everyone who trains looks to compete in events such as those. Just sayin… [/quote]

And quite simply I’m telling you that you’re wrong. It is very rare.[/quote]

Wait, are you saying that what he saw with his own eyes was wrong? Someone from the US who has spent many years abroad working out in various gyms? Really?[/quote]
Pretty much yes that’s what I’m saying. The facts don’t support what he claims to have seen.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
I don’t see why it’s so hard to believe she has touched PEDs. The difference in a regular man’s testosterone levels and a woman’s is tremendous . You achieve a certain level of muscularity and you will be suspect whether or not you do.

For men it’s nothing to see a natural 225-315 raw bench . Women 225 is maybe more rare than 405 for a guy .[/quote]

225 for a lady is not rare. Unless the handful of ladies I encountered in a short span of time, in a pretty small location, were all taking PEDs. [/quote]
Unless the lady is pretty big, like > 150 lbs then 225 is pretty rare (and even then it isn’t common).
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2010/2010_Raw_Nationals_Results.htm
At the USAPL raw nationals, there was exactly 1 woman who did it. There were a lot of top women missing from this but still, it isn’t common.
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2011/2011_Arnold_Results.htm
At the Arnold’s it looks like there were 3 total.[/quote]

You’re basing that on who showed up at these events? 7+ billion people in the world… Just saying. While one of the ladies I mentioned is a big’un, the one that really sticks out in my mind was the finest got-damn Navy chick I’d ever laid eyes on. And she was all of 135. She repped out with 205. Again, it’s not that rare. Just my opinion, though. [/quote]

Given that the events are the USAPL national championships and the Arnold which has fairly difficult qualifying requirments and is one of the most prestigous PL events out there… Yeah I’m quite comfortable basing that on who showed up.

If it is rare among women who compete competitively at the national level do you really think it is common at the local gym?[/quote]

I never said it was common, but it’s just not that rare, at least not in my travels and such. Not everyone who trains looks to compete in events such as those. Just sayin… [/quote]

And quite simply I’m telling you that you’re wrong. It is very rare.[/quote]

Wait, are you saying that what he saw with his own eyes was wrong? Someone from the US who has spent many years abroad working out in various gyms? Really?[/quote]
Pretty much yes that’s what I’m saying. The facts don’t support what he claims to have seen.[/quote]

Sorry but this gets back to another argument on here (TNation) that because it is not on the internet or logged on at a PL meet then it couldnt happen. We also have already discussed this over the last page, did you read the discussion?

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You guys are acting like results at American powerlifting meets for female lifters is a valid benchmark for women’s strength. It is not. On the world stage, American women are weak. The top ranking American woman weightlifter is somewhere in the hundreds worldwide. Think about that for a minute, the BEST in the whole country.

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For example my son just told me 1/4-1/3 of his high school football team benches 225+. that’s 10-15 kids.

And oboile has various federation and meet results to show how rare it is.

I’ve worked at five Wpo meets and have trained at westside. I still don’t think 700 lb benches are what I’d call common even with shirts . In the general powerlifting community it’s rare and gets more uncommon when you go more general ,

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
I don’t see why it’s so hard to believe she has touched PEDs. The difference in a regular man’s testosterone levels and a woman’s is tremendous . You achieve a certain level of muscularity and you will be suspect whether or not you do.

For men it’s nothing to see a natural 225-315 raw bench . Women 225 is maybe more rare than 405 for a guy .[/quote]

225 for a lady is not rare. Unless the handful of ladies I encountered in a short span of time, in a pretty small location, were all taking PEDs. [/quote]
Unless the lady is pretty big, like > 150 lbs then 225 is pretty rare (and even then it isn’t common).
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2010/2010_Raw_Nationals_Results.htm
At the USAPL raw nationals, there was exactly 1 woman who did it. There were a lot of top women missing from this but still, it isn’t common.
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2011/2011_Arnold_Results.htm
At the Arnold’s it looks like there were 3 total.[/quote]

You’re basing that on who showed up at these events? 7+ billion people in the world… Just saying. While one of the ladies I mentioned is a big’un, the one that really sticks out in my mind was the finest got-damn Navy chick I’d ever laid eyes on. And she was all of 135. She repped out with 205. Again, it’s not that rare. Just my opinion, though. [/quote]

Given that the events are the USAPL national championships and the Arnold which has fairly difficult qualifying requirments and is one of the most prestigous PL events out there… Yeah I’m quite comfortable basing that on who showed up.

If it is rare among women who compete competitively at the national level do you really think it is common at the local gym?[/quote]

I never said it was common, but it’s just not that rare, at least not in my travels and such. Not everyone who trains looks to compete in events such as those. Just sayin… [/quote]

And quite simply I’m telling you that you’re wrong. It is very rare.[/quote]

Wait, are you saying that what he saw with his own eyes was wrong? Someone from the US who has spent many years abroad working out in various gyms? Really?[/quote]
Pretty much yes that’s what I’m saying. The facts don’t support what he claims to have seen.[/quote]

Sorry but this gets back to another argument on here (TNation) that because it is not on the internet or logged on at a PL meet then it couldnt happen. We also have already discussed this over the last page, did you read the discussion?

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Closed-mindedness is always a fun encounter. I’m done with this thread. I don’t usually take an antagonistic tone, but…this is my take on this individual and others.

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[quote]debraD wrote:
You guys are acting like results at American powerlifting meets for female lifters is a valid benchmark for women’s strength. It is not. On the world stage, American women are weak. The top ranking American woman weightlifter is somewhere in the hundreds worldwide. Think about that for a minute, the BEST in the whole country.

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I was hoping you or CBear would put in your experience.