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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I will never understand the “how” or “why” how people who stand out in a crowd (because of hard work) attract so much bullshit from people on this site.[/quote]

Please reference said “bullshit”. I only see people complimenting her on her work ethic and a few others who said her physique has made a drastic change in recent years. No one, that I can see, has disparaged her or taken away from what she has achieved. [/quote]

Dude, first, good to see you posting again.

Second, calling her a man, and attributing her progress, no matter how incredible or freaky it might be to ‘juicing’ or even casually wondering for the sake of the thread is absolutely not ‘complimenting’.

Backhanded compliment at best. I realize it’s only one or two posts in a thread full of true compliments, but that’s the shit that needs to be just called out on these boards. You of all people after the shit you took for some of your posts should realize.

Even if it’s true, it doesn’t (shouldn’t) take away from the achievement, so why start a thread just to ‘wonder about it’. That’s bullshit.

Chicka works hard and gets results. Most here should be so successful. That’s all I’m sayin’

Stick around, dude, you’re a great addition here.[/quote]

I stand corrected. You and Alexus pointed those out. I must have glossed right over them. Admittedly, they are mild comments compared to the usual junk I have seen on here when a muscular woman pops up. Makes me wonder about the posters, themselves, but that’s a whole other conversation.

As for the guys on here stating that she is on steroids, no one can say for sure but her, but I doubt it. She just looks like any lean woman would. Her “masculine” face, as someone put it is simply what a female face looks like when she is at an extremely low body fat level. Ever notice how fat guys tend to have more feminine faces? Just think in reverse.

And I can say, having been around a number of male and female athletes and bodybuilders in my lifetime who do and do not use PEDs, unless you have real life experience, please don’t act like experts because of what you read on some website somewhere. “Better to keep quiet and have them think you a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.” A lot of you need to keep quiet on this subject, seriously.
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<-----raises hand. I’d like to go on record, yet again, that I would sooooo hit it. Like the fist of a very angry god. Yes. And to add a bit of humor…

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[quote]debraD wrote:
I <3 Annie Sakamoto.

SkyzykS, I agree with that. While I don’t consider myself ‘yolked’ I have some guns and some triceps and delts and I look like I lift weights. But I don’t think I’m particularly extraordinary in the genetics department or athletics but I do work hard and do it frequently and work on the stuff that is hardest for me not the easiest. (And this is even while I fight gaining more bulk by trying to stay at 63 kg)

I think the bar is REALLY fucking low for the amount of effort women put into lifting and training (or lifting their fingers AT ALL) and so when you have women who start to realize they CAN lift heavy and train hard this is what you get.

I was volunteering for some thing recently and it involved carrying around some PCs and just picking up a fucking computer and carrying it got all sorts of guys freaking out that it was too heavy and trying to take them from me. A PC for crying out loud. WTF? But you watch a lot of women, and it’s no one’s fault, it’s just a social thing, attempt to pick up something that weighs more than a pound and is not an infant and they go all flimsy and pathetic and weak but will walk up to their toddler and lift him effortlessly. It’s no wonder that when they train they go half assed and it’s a surprise when you see someone like Annie Sakamoto or Annie Thorisdottir, but that doesn’t mean they are on drugs. I think we will see many more women like this soon. [/quote]

I’m not going to hold the door open for you then. Just kidding, I hold the door for everyone even guys. I just hate it when they don’t say “thank you”.

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[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
I don’t see why it’s so hard to believe she has touched PEDs. The difference in a regular man’s testosterone levels and a woman’s is tremendous . You achieve a certain level of muscularity and you will be suspect whether or not you do.

For men it’s nothing to see a natural 225-315 raw bench . Women 225 is maybe more rare than 405 for a guy .[/quote]

225 for a lady is not rare. Unless the handful of ladies I encountered in a short span of time, in a pretty small location, were all taking PEDs. [/quote]
Unless the lady is pretty big, like > 150 lbs then 225 is pretty rare (and even then it isn’t common).
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2010/2010_Raw_Nationals_Results.htm
At the USAPL raw nationals, there was exactly 1 woman who did it. There were a lot of top women missing from this but still, it isn’t common.
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2011/2011_Arnold_Results.htm
At the Arnold’s it looks like there were 3 total.

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[quote]alexus wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
The difference in a regular man’s testosterone levels and a woman’s is tremendous . [/quote]

Do you mean that if you take the population of men and figure out their average T level and then you take the population of women and figure out their average T level then the T level of the men is tremendously greater than the T level of the women…

Or do you mean for every particular woman every particular man’s T level is tremendously greater?

You can hear the difference - right?

‘Women are taller than men’ can be true yet it still be the case that most women are taller than one particular guy or even that one woman might be taller than every guy.
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From what I understand, the difference is something like 10-fold. So unless there was some sort of underlying medical condition or some extreme outlier it is likely that both interpritations are true.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:
From what I understand, the difference is something like 10-fold. So unless there was some sort of underlying medical condition or some extreme outlier it is likely that both interpritations are true.[/quote]

For sure - I mean, you can find a statistical outlier for just about anything, but in general men have much, much greater levels of test than any woman…

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[quote]Fuzzyapple.Train wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I <3 Annie Sakamoto.

SkyzykS, I agree with that. While I don’t consider myself ‘yolked’ I have some guns and some triceps and delts and I look like I lift weights. But I don’t think I’m particularly extraordinary in the genetics department or athletics but I do work hard and do it frequently and work on the stuff that is hardest for me not the easiest. (And this is even while I fight gaining more bulk by trying to stay at 63 kg)

I think the bar is REALLY fucking low for the amount of effort women put into lifting and training (or lifting their fingers AT ALL) and so when you have women who start to realize they CAN lift heavy and train hard this is what you get.

I was volunteering for some thing recently and it involved carrying around some PCs and just picking up a fucking computer and carrying it got all sorts of guys freaking out that it was too heavy and trying to take them from me. A PC for crying out loud. WTF? But you watch a lot of women, and it’s no one’s fault, it’s just a social thing, attempt to pick up something that weighs more than a pound and is not an infant and they go all flimsy and pathetic and weak but will walk up to their toddler and lift him effortlessly. It’s no wonder that when they train they go half assed and it’s a surprise when you see someone like Annie Sakamoto or Annie Thorisdottir, but that doesn’t mean they are on drugs. I think we will see many more women like this soon. [/quote]

I’m not going to hold the door open for you then. Just kidding, I hold the door for everyone even guys. I just hate it when they don’t say “thank you”.[/quote]

lol that wasn’t my point at all!

My point was that we have no idea what women can really achieve strength wise because so few actually even try but this is changing.

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About the masculine features, I have met enough natural women who have some masculine features, some athletic and some not, usually pretty tall and lean though, to not assume there are drugs behind it. But if a woman was genetically predisposed to excel at the Crossfit games, she quite possibly has the genetics for masculine features too. The slight girls who are weak and soft didn’t make it past the first round, ya know?

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
Women 225 is maybe more rare than 405 for a guy.[/quote]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a female lift more than 135 in a gym. I’ve seen a few that could probably do more than that but at least never benched when I was there, doubt 225 though. I have seen a many guys do 405 or more so I would agree that unless your in an environment with strong women (like a PL gym/meet or something) the female one is more rare than 405 for guys. I know there might be 1 or so but what women on this site can do a raw 225 bench?

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[quote]alexus wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
The difference in a regular man’s testosterone levels and a woman’s is tremendous . [/quote]

Do you mean that if you take the population of men and figure out their average T level and then you take the population of women and figure out their average T level then the T level of the men is tremendously greater than the T level of the women…

Or do you mean for every particular woman every particular man’s T level is tremendously greater?

You can hear the difference - right?

‘Women are taller than men’ can be true yet it still be the case that most women are taller than one particular guy or even that one woman might be taller than every guy.
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Oh lord, do you have any idea what you are talking about?

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There is enough numbers wise to have an idea what women can do. Olympics? Been a lot of gals doing that for years. Then take out the east German women from back in the day who were known to use PEDs. Of course we might have to take out many USA women such as Marion jones , flo Jo etc.

You people are acting like no women have done athletics until crossfit.

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Fuzzyapple.Train wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I <3 Annie Sakamoto.

SkyzykS, I agree with that. While I don’t consider myself ‘yolked’ I have some guns and some triceps and delts and I look like I lift weights. But I don’t think I’m particularly extraordinary in the genetics department or athletics but I do work hard and do it frequently and work on the stuff that is hardest for me not the easiest. (And this is even while I fight gaining more bulk by trying to stay at 63 kg)

I think the bar is REALLY fucking low for the amount of effort women put into lifting and training (or lifting their fingers AT ALL) and so when you have women who start to realize they CAN lift heavy and train hard this is what you get.

I was volunteering for some thing recently and it involved carrying around some PCs and just picking up a fucking computer and carrying it got all sorts of guys freaking out that it was too heavy and trying to take them from me. A PC for crying out loud. WTF? But you watch a lot of women, and it’s no one’s fault, it’s just a social thing, attempt to pick up something that weighs more than a pound and is not an infant and they go all flimsy and pathetic and weak but will walk up to their toddler and lift him effortlessly. It’s no wonder that when they train they go half assed and it’s a surprise when you see someone like Annie Sakamoto or Annie Thorisdottir, but that doesn’t mean they are on drugs. I think we will see many more women like this soon. [/quote]

I’m not going to hold the door open for you then. Just kidding, I hold the door for everyone even guys. I just hate it when they don’t say “thank you”.[/quote]

lol that wasn’t my point at all!

My point was that we have no idea what women can really achieve strength wise because so few actually even try but this is changing.[/quote]

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I didn’t think it was proven that Flo Jo was using. Or at least I’ve never read anything about that, just some accusation but no proof.

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I’ve been involved with the lifting world for over thirty years and I wouldn’t day either way until I saw or met the person in question. It friends on certain things like muscular gains and strength gains. Change in voice and appearance over some times and actual level of performance.

Judging from a picture is near impossible unless I hear numbers that are just off the charts .

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I will never understand the “how” or “why” how people who stand out in a crowd (because of hard work) attract so much bullshit from people on this site.[/quote]

Please reference said “bullshit”. I only see people complimenting her on her work ethic and a few others who said her physique has made a drastic change in recent years. No one, that I can see, has disparaged her or taken away from what she has achieved. [/quote]

Dude, first, good to see you posting again.

Second, calling her a man, and attributing her progress, no matter how incredible or freaky it might be to ‘juicing’ or even casually wondering for the sake of the thread is absolutely not ‘complimenting’.

Backhanded compliment at best. I realize it’s only one or two posts in a thread full of true compliments, but that’s the shit that needs to be just called out on these boards. You of all people after the shit you took for some of your posts should realize.

Even if it’s true, it doesn’t (shouldn’t) take away from the achievement, so why start a thread just to ‘wonder about it’. That’s bullshit.

Chicka works hard and gets results. Most here should be so successful. That’s all I’m sayin’

Stick around, dude, you’re a great addition here.[/quote]

I stand corrected. You and Alexus pointed those out. I must have glossed right over them. Admittedly, they are mild comments compared to the usual junk I have seen on here when a muscular woman pops up. Makes me wonder about the posters, themselves, but that’s a whole other conversation.

As for the guys on here stating that she is on steroids, no one can say for sure but her, but I doubt it. She just looks like any lean woman would. Her “masculine” face, as someone put it is simply what a female face looks like when she is at an extremely low body fat level. Ever notice how fat guys tend to have more feminine faces? Just think in reverse.

And I can say, having been around a number of male and female athletes and bodybuilders in my lifetime who do and do not use PEDs, unless you have real life experience, please don’t act like experts because of what you read on some website somewhere. “Better to keep quiet and have them think you a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.” A lot of you need to keep quiet on this subject, seriously.
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[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:

I didn’t think it was proven that Flo Jo was using. Or at least I’ve never read anything about that, just some accusation but no proof.

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If you hear accusations of someone using who shattered world records, they probably did. You can apply the Tom rule of bullshit . There is always more bullshit than you can prove or know of when bullshit is going on.

From knowing credible people from this world you will find different stories from public to private. Remember Canseco’s accusations? He received an incredible amount of criticism and denials from those accused.

And they to a t from what I recall used.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
I don’t see why it’s so hard to believe she has touched PEDs. The difference in a regular man’s testosterone levels and a woman’s is tremendous . You achieve a certain level of muscularity and you will be suspect whether or not you do.

For men it’s nothing to see a natural 225-315 raw bench . Women 225 is maybe more rare than 405 for a guy .[/quote]

225 for a lady is not rare. Unless the handful of ladies I encountered in a short span of time, in a pretty small location, were all taking PEDs. [/quote]
Unless the lady is pretty big, like > 150 lbs then 225 is pretty rare (and even then it isn’t common).
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2010/2010_Raw_Nationals_Results.htm
At the USAPL raw nationals, there was exactly 1 woman who did it. There were a lot of top women missing from this but still, it isn’t common.
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2011/2011_Arnold_Results.htm
At the Arnold’s it looks like there were 3 total.[/quote]

You’re basing that on who showed up at these events? 7+ billion people in the world… Just saying. While one of the ladies I mentioned is a big’un, the one that really sticks out in my mind was the finest got-damn Navy chick I’d ever laid eyes on. And she was all of 135. She repped out with 205. Again, it’s not that rare. Just my opinion, though.

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It’s very rare statistically. Check plusa and check the top raw benches
. They will list it if it was done raw . Check the name . Odds are they were using.

I recall almost no benches in the 225 range in the uspf in the 80s or in the adfpa. The gals that did were in the 198+ class.

On the flipside I was doing 230 paused and raw at 132 when I was 19.

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A few years ago men’s health magazine published a stat that the average guy benches 135. They were talking about eveyone of course adding in trained and untrained . Raking random women out of the crowd won’t skew the numbers , nor will if the numbers of women training increase.

Many women train and it’s not to common to see a bench that a man can do at 130 pounds raw. It’s just the way things are.

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[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
I don’t see why it’s so hard to believe she has touched PEDs. The difference in a regular man’s testosterone levels and a woman’s is tremendous . You achieve a certain level of muscularity and you will be suspect whether or not you do.

For men it’s nothing to see a natural 225-315 raw bench . Women 225 is maybe more rare than 405 for a guy .[/quote]

225 for a lady is not rare. Unless the handful of ladies I encountered in a short span of time, in a pretty small location, were all taking PEDs. [/quote]
Unless the lady is pretty big, like > 150 lbs then 225 is pretty rare (and even then it isn’t common).
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2010/2010_Raw_Nationals_Results.htm
At the USAPL raw nationals, there was exactly 1 woman who did it. There were a lot of top women missing from this but still, it isn’t common.
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2011/2011_Arnold_Results.htm
At the Arnold’s it looks like there were 3 total.[/quote]

You’re basing that on who showed up at these events? 7+ billion people in the world… Just saying. While one of the ladies I mentioned is a big’un, the one that really sticks out in my mind was the finest got-damn Navy chick I’d ever laid eyes on. And she was all of 135. She repped out with 205. Again, it’s not that rare. Just my opinion, though. [/quote]

Given that the events are the USAPL national championships and the Arnold which has fairly difficult qualifying requirments and is one of the most prestigous PL events out there… Yeah I’m quite comfortable basing that on who showed up.

If it is rare among women who compete competitively at the national level do you really think it is common at the local gym?

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
I don’t see why it’s so hard to believe she has touched PEDs. The difference in a regular man’s testosterone levels and a woman’s is tremendous . You achieve a certain level of muscularity and you will be suspect whether or not you do.

For men it’s nothing to see a natural 225-315 raw bench . Women 225 is maybe more rare than 405 for a guy .[/quote]

225 for a lady is not rare. Unless the handful of ladies I encountered in a short span of time, in a pretty small location, were all taking PEDs. [/quote]
Unless the lady is pretty big, like > 150 lbs then 225 is pretty rare (and even then it isn’t common).
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2010/2010_Raw_Nationals_Results.htm
At the USAPL raw nationals, there was exactly 1 woman who did it. There were a lot of top women missing from this but still, it isn’t common.
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2011/2011_Arnold_Results.htm
At the Arnold’s it looks like there were 3 total.[/quote]

You’re basing that on who showed up at these events? 7+ billion people in the world… Just saying. While one of the ladies I mentioned is a big’un, the one that really sticks out in my mind was the finest got-damn Navy chick I’d ever laid eyes on. And she was all of 135. She repped out with 205. Again, it’s not that rare. Just my opinion, though. [/quote]

Given that the events are the USAPL national championships and the Arnold which has fairly difficult qualifying requirments and is one of the most prestigous PL events out there… Yeah I’m quite comfortable basing that on who showed up.

If it is rare among women who compete competitively at the national level do you really think it is common at the local gym?[/quote]

I never said it was common, but it’s just not that rare, at least not in my travels and such. Not everyone who trains looks to compete in events such as those. Just sayin…

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[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
I don’t see why it’s so hard to believe she has touched PEDs. The difference in a regular man’s testosterone levels and a woman’s is tremendous . You achieve a certain level of muscularity and you will be suspect whether or not you do.

For men it’s nothing to see a natural 225-315 raw bench . Women 225 is maybe more rare than 405 for a guy .[/quote]

225 for a lady is not rare. Unless the handful of ladies I encountered in a short span of time, in a pretty small location, were all taking PEDs. [/quote]
Unless the lady is pretty big, like > 150 lbs then 225 is pretty rare (and even then it isn’t common).
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2010/2010_Raw_Nationals_Results.htm
At the USAPL raw nationals, there was exactly 1 woman who did it. There were a lot of top women missing from this but still, it isn’t common.
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2011/2011_Arnold_Results.htm
At the Arnold’s it looks like there were 3 total.[/quote]

You’re basing that on who showed up at these events? 7+ billion people in the world… Just saying. While one of the ladies I mentioned is a big’un, the one that really sticks out in my mind was the finest got-damn Navy chick I’d ever laid eyes on. And she was all of 135. She repped out with 205. Again, it’s not that rare. Just my opinion, though. [/quote]

Given that the events are the USAPL national championships and the Arnold which has fairly difficult qualifying requirments and is one of the most prestigous PL events out there… Yeah I’m quite comfortable basing that on who showed up.

If it is rare among women who compete competitively at the national level do you really think it is common at the local gym?[/quote]

I never said it was common, but it’s just not that rare, at least not in my travels and such. Not everyone who trains looks to compete in events such as those. Just sayin… [/quote]

And quite simply I’m telling you that you’re wrong. It is very rare.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]Rodimus Black wrote:

[quote]tom63 wrote:
I don’t see why it’s so hard to believe she has touched PEDs. The difference in a regular man’s testosterone levels and a woman’s is tremendous . You achieve a certain level of muscularity and you will be suspect whether or not you do.

For men it’s nothing to see a natural 225-315 raw bench . Women 225 is maybe more rare than 405 for a guy .[/quote]

225 for a lady is not rare. Unless the handful of ladies I encountered in a short span of time, in a pretty small location, were all taking PEDs. [/quote]
Unless the lady is pretty big, like > 150 lbs then 225 is pretty rare (and even then it isn’t common).
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2010/2010_Raw_Nationals_Results.htm
At the USAPL raw nationals, there was exactly 1 woman who did it. There were a lot of top women missing from this but still, it isn’t common.
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/results/2011/2011_Arnold_Results.htm
At the Arnold’s it looks like there were 3 total.[/quote]

You’re basing that on who showed up at these events? 7+ billion people in the world… Just saying. While one of the ladies I mentioned is a big’un, the one that really sticks out in my mind was the finest got-damn Navy chick I’d ever laid eyes on. And she was all of 135. She repped out with 205. Again, it’s not that rare. Just my opinion, though. [/quote]

Given that the events are the USAPL national championships and the Arnold which has fairly difficult qualifying requirments and is one of the most prestigous PL events out there… Yeah I’m quite comfortable basing that on who showed up.

If it is rare among women who compete competitively at the national level do you really think it is common at the local gym?[/quote]

I never said it was common, but it’s just not that rare, at least not in my travels and such. Not everyone who trains looks to compete in events such as those. Just sayin… [/quote]

And quite simply I’m telling you that you’re wrong. It is very rare.[/quote]

Wait, are you saying that what he saw with his own eyes was wrong? Someone from the US who has spent many years abroad working out in various gyms? Really?