I Want My Handouts

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Der_Steppenwolfe wrote:
I would get some more skills?
Seriously, it will give you the kind of job security that can actually stand up to delinquency and even inborn incompetence.[/quote]

You mean you would gain and acquire valuable skills and use them to get more things via hard work and dedication?

I agree. That’s how OP ought to be looking at this shit. When I see someone use food stamps when I’m shopping (which here in my part of Kansas happens a lot) I never think to myself damn I really wish I was like that woman. Ever. Seriously the people always look unkempt, they always look uneducated, they don’t look like someone I would WANT to be.

And I’m not rich at all. I’m decidedly middle class and working right now as a young guy to make more money and to have my fiance make more money. I’ve never ONCE been behind someone using food stamps and thought “how lucky is this person?!”

And I’ll be honest it is weird as shit to me that some people view it that way. I just say thank God I’m not in that kind of shape. I’ll know (unless I get some type of debilitating sickness or injury) my life is not going well if I have to use food stamps at some point.

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Well, yeah. I mean it’s easy to get caught up in that whole ‘Oh, the right wing are deliberately keeping us poor’ bullshit, but really, why would you want to be? It’s boring. Life is so much more interesting when your efforts are actually bearing fruit. I personally think governments should be using things like the food stamps program to support their contributors, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to sit on my arse waiting for anybody to rescue me, or that I’m going to be as dishonest as the fuckwits we’re surrounded by. It’s all a learning curve.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Think of this:

(http://www.nea.org/home/12661.htm all my numbers are from here)

Your kid goes to public school for 12 years, and 38 weeks a year. That is 456 weeks of school. Assume a 5 hour day to be conservative, that is 456x5=2280 days in school, and 2280x5=11,400 hours that they are being instructed by a teacher.

So, take the national starting salary of the teacher, $30377 divide it by a 40 hour work week (which again keeps the calc lower) it is $14.60 an hour. Now lets see what that comes out to in costs for your kid:

11,400.00 hours

  •  14.60      an hour

166,400.00 total cost in teachers time for the time your child is in school

This doesn’t include books, heat, electric, computer & internet, custodial, copy/printing/postage, admin, playground, sports, parking lots, cafÃ??Ã?© workers, gym equipment, etc

(If you re-do the calc at 6 hours a day, and the salary spread over 1,520 hours (38 weeks @ 40 hours a week) you get to a number closer to 275k, which is much more realistic than above.)

Let me know how long it takes the average household sending 2 or 3 kids to public schools to pay 165k in tax…

After that we’ll look at costs of other things… :wink: [/quote]

Divided by number of kids in that class, so approximately 25, or number of students the teacher has per day and that could vary from tens to hundreds. Lets say 25 kids for 6 periods per day.

That changes it a lot. I’d have to think on it a little deeper to consider everybody in the community and the total number of different taxes paid into schools (state income, district school tax percent of sales tax etc.) which would change it a lot more.
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The closest school to where I live is for all intents and purposes sort of a shit hole public school. Now I know some of the people there and they have great people, but facilities wise this place is not good at all. I went to a small rural school in Kansas and I graduated in 2002. The place I grew up in was NOT rich and wealthy. The school I went to though was VASTLY better from a facilities standpoint than this school and my school again wasn’t awesome.

For the most part if anyone on this forum “toured” the school I’m talking about they would think about all the things that need to be upgraded. Actually they would probably say the best thing for this district is to tear down this old school and build a new one. I mean I don’t pay taxes for that school district but if I did I would be somewhat embarrassed by it. Now I know that their budget as a 3A school in Kansas is probably around 4 million.

So a super conservative low tax area’s school budget is around 4 million and the place is basically a shit hole comparatively speaking. At that school they do everything as cheap as possible. The costs at schools that we don’t think about are mind blowing. That school has about a 4 million dollar budget and it has shit facilities. Imagine these schools budgets that ACTUALLY have some nice things you’d want your kids to have. I mean damn. [/quote]

The two districts I’ve lived for the past 20 years in are some of the newest and most well equipped in the state.

The kids are still well within the range of normal though, even in the face of hundreds of millions of dollars in upgrades, remodeling and new construction.

The schools I went to would make your eyes bleed compared to the ones today.

The quality of education by any measurable standard has less to do with the building and more to do with the people in it.

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[quote]H factor wrote:
I think choosing the public sector over the private one is dumb in most scenarios. The richest people are not in the public sector on the whole. That’s not to say some people aren’t doing really well in the public sector, but choosing it over the private one simply because you think public sector employees are all really wealthy is dumb as shit and demonstrably untrue. [/quote]

As far as getting rich or wealthy, the private sector beats the public sector hands down. But many people do not want to take the risks necessary to do that (loans, time, etc.) Many just want job security with a guaranteed retirement so they can provide for their family. For those, the public sector is the way to go. Infinitely better then the low risk hourly jobs in the public sector.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

The two districts I’ve lived for the past 20 years in are some of the newest and most well equipped in the state.

The kids are still well within the range of normal though, even in the face of hundreds of millions of dollars in upgrades, remodeling and new construction.

The schools I went to would make your eyes bleed compared to the ones today.

The quality of education by any measurable standard has less to do with the building and more to do with the people in it. [/quote]

Your last sentence is certainly true. My story was less about the quality of the education (I think that is most shaped by parents, principals, teachers, support staff) and more about the budget. Even a school near where I live that is absolutely shitty for all intents and purposes in terms of look and facilities has around a 4 million dollar budget. Beans was talking about the costs of schools. Even ones without the bells and whistles are EXPENSIVE to run. From counselors to heat to buses etc times a million. It’s quite the operation any of them.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
I think choosing the public sector over the private one is dumb in most scenarios. The richest people are not in the public sector on the whole. That’s not to say some people aren’t doing really well in the public sector, but choosing it over the private one simply because you think public sector employees are all really wealthy is dumb as shit and demonstrably untrue. [/quote]

As far as getting rich or wealthy, the private sector beats the public sector hands down. But many people do not want to take the risks necessary to do that (loans, time, etc.) Many just want job security with a guaranteed retirement so they can provide for their family. For those, the public sector is the way to go. Infinitely better then the low risk hourly jobs in the public sector.

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For the most part if all one can find is low risk hourly jobs in the private sector then they will probably struggle to find anything good in the public sector either. If you want to be wealthy government jobs are some of the worst ways to go. It’s not that they don’t exist, it’s just that not many of them are very good paying (compared to what one could do in the private sector). Sure we could find examples of corrupt politicians making bank and all, but on the whole most public sector employees are not going to be driving around expensive cars. A lot of private sector people aren’t going to be either, but your chances of hitting it big are almost always better in the private sector.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:
So, I am (as I’m sure a lot of you are) frustrated with the government handouts that are going around these days to people who could simply provide for themselves. But this garbage continues anyway, whether its food stamps, disability claims or tax breaks, welfare etc.

Is there a way for a self-sufficient white person to make use of these handouts that your know of? I just saw an article on how the number of ABAWDs (able-bodied adults without dependents) doubled from 2007-2010 [ http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/16/Number-of-Able-Bodied-Adults-without-Dependents-Receiving-Food-Stamps-Doubles ]

It made me wonder (once again) if there is anyway I can recoup some of my tax dollars through food stamps or any other option? Instead of trying to stop the handouts, I’d be fine with just benefiting from them.

Shit, with all the increases in minimum wages, and the wage increases that the unions FORCE upon consumers and businesses, (food) prices have sky-rocketed, and at this point my salary can’t possibly keep up with it.

stop service on my cell phone and get one through the gov’MENT?
Start a phony charity?
apply for food stamps?

The government is pretty stupid so I’m sure there is a way
…any ideas?[/quote]

Get all the applications you can find. Fill out apps for any and all things you’re qualified for. Send them in.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Think of this:

(http://www.nea.org/home/12661.htm all my numbers are from here)

Your kid goes to public school for 12 years, and 38 weeks a year. That is 456 weeks of school. Assume a 5 hour day to be conservative, that is 456x5=2280 days in school, and 2280x5=11,400 hours that they are being instructed by a teacher.

So, take the national starting salary of the teacher, $30377 divide it by a 40 hour work week (which again keeps the calc lower) it is $14.60 an hour. Now lets see what that comes out to in costs for your kid:

11,400.00 hours

  •  14.60      an hour

166,400.00 total cost in teachers time for the time your child is in school

This doesn’t include books, heat, electric, computer & internet, custodial, copy/printing/postage, admin, playground, sports, parking lots, cafÃ?© workers, gym equipment, etc

(If you re-do the calc at 6 hours a day, and the salary spread over 1,520 hours (38 weeks @ 40 hours a week) you get to a number closer to 275k, which is much more realistic than above.)

Let me know how long it takes the average household sending 2 or 3 kids to public schools to pay 165k in tax…

After that we’ll look at costs of other things… :wink: [/quote]

Divided by number of kids in that class, so approximately 25, or number of students the teacher has per day and that could vary from tens to hundreds. Lets say 25 kids for 6 periods per day.

That changes it a lot. I’d have to think on it a little deeper to consider everybody in the community and the total number of different taxes paid into schools (state income, district school tax percent of sales tax etc.) which would change it a lot more.

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You’re either making my point for me, or completely missing it.

It doesn’t matter if there are 1 or 301 students in the class. You’re kid is (hypothetically) getting the same attention anyone else is.

Regardless though, if you factor in all the costs of running a school, and divide it by say 600 kids in the school, assuming 100k in tax dollars, per student for 12 years isn’t outrageous.

NPR says 10.6k per year. So that comes out to 127.4k for 12 years of school, PER CHILD.

So, again, when a family with 2 or 3 kids in public schools pays for one of them in taxes, we’ll talk about how people aren’t getting service for their tax dollars.

And again, this is talking about one, just one, service the government provides.

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[quote]H factor wrote:
*Not yet man, but as it gets a bit closer I may ask you for some very general advice on a few things regarding my fiance and her taxes. Nothing complicated, just your .02 on what you’d do in our shoes. [/quote]

ANytime.

I think PM’s are still down, do you have anyone’s email from here. I know a bunch that have mine, we might have peple in common.