I Want It All

[quote]maximus89 wrote:
undesired08 wrote:

I’m looking at single snatches, followed by single clean & jerks, followed by hi-pulls, jump-squats and some other low-intensity, high-speed lifts on olympic lifting days.

5x5 squats or deadlifts followed by some 80% intensity rowing or such for upper back (I’m currently not doing pushing exercises for pecs or delts, since I used to concentrate a lot on “beach muscles” resulting in muscle imbalance and I’m trying to undo it) on lifting days

And finally push up/pull up/plank/other core exercise complexes followed by or preceded by Tabata protocol rowing and/or sprinting 2-3 times on HIIT days.

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I guess I’m not a naysayer, but I like the way that looks. It’s not suited to my goals, but that’s cause it’s not my workout. It looks taxing, but not overboard imho.

I eat about 3400 calories a day, that’s what I need to maintain my weight, which is right now 190 lbs.I have no need for a larger body mass, it would only hinder me.
Do you think only people who look like bodybuilders are taken seriously? Most male athletes have considerably lower body weight than bodybuilders or powerlifters.
Usain Bolt for example also weighs 190 lbs.

[quote]maximus89 wrote:
I eat about 3400 calories a day, that’s what I need to maintain my weight, which is right now 190 lbs.I have no need for a larger body mass, it would only hinder me.
Do you think only people who look like bodybuilders are taken seriously? Most male athletes have considerably lower body weight than bodybuilders or powerlifters.
Usain Bolt for example also weighs 190 lbs.[/quote]

I can see where your coming from, but dude you look pretty frail if thats you. A lil meat on the delts down wouldnt hurt you at all.

[quote]maximus89 wrote:
I eat about 3400 calories a day, that’s what I need to maintain my weight, which is right now 190 lbs.I have no need for a larger body mass, it would only hinder me.
Do you think only people who look like bodybuilders are taken seriously? Most male athletes have considerably lower body weight than bodybuilders or powerlifters.
Usain Bolt for example also weighs 190 lbs.[/quote]

And that is what I am saying. On your current and proposed program you have sacrificed being good at any one thing to be adequate at everything. Let me explain- take your ‘ass to grass’ squat w/85%: what weight is that? 230 maybe 320?? if that. Are you going to argue if you didn’t do so much other work; that your squat would not improve? And that would apply all the way around your program.

I’m not being critical…after reading your post-you sound as if you know more than enough to build your own program. You are more familiar with yourself and your goals than I ever could be. One point however…all else remaining relative ( and any athlete worth his salt would see to that) size is never a negative in athletics…Usain Bolt would like to weight 200 and then 210 after that…and so do you!!!

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
maximus89 wrote:
And that is what I am saying. On your current and proposed program you have sacrificed being good at any one thing to be adequate at everything. Let me explain- take your ‘ass to grass’ squat w/85%: what weight is that? 230 maybe 320?? if that. Are you going to argue if you didn’t do so much other work; that your squat would not improve? And that would apply all the way around your program.
I’m not being critical…after reading your post-you sound as if you know more than enough to build your own program. You are more familiar with yourself and your goals than I ever could be. One point however…all else remaining relative ( and any athlete worth his salt would see to that) size is never a negative in athletics…Usain Bolt would like to weight 200 and then 210 after that…and so do you!!!

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I have to disagree with that statement BCT. When I was still able to play rugby, I never stepped on the pitch at a bw over 230 (second row and no.8). When I would get heavier, my speed and stamina weregreatly effected. But, when I was under 230, I had the speed of a back and I hit like a freight train.

At this point in my pathetic powerlifting stint, I plan on holding on to the 275 weight class like grim death. Sure I could balloon up to 300 pretty easy, but what is the point when I can still put on some serious lbm and not go above 285-290 so that I cut to 275 pretty easily for meets?

I’m not saying the OP isn’t thin. But shit, being thin is not the enemy of being strong. If it were, there would be next to no one below the 181 class. Too little is know about the OP to just say “bulk up”. I am sure, from reading his other post, he knows to eat when hungry, not when scheduled(OP, if you dont, you do now).

Just my 2-bits (much more valuable than $.02)…

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
size is never a negative in athletics…Usain Bolt would like to weight 200 and then 210 after that…and so do you!!!
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I know you mean well, but this is not true. Your height will play a large factor in how well you move with additional muscle mass. In athletics there’s always an optimum body weight. Just off the top of my head, look at Olympic Weightlifter, the majority of lifters any given weight class are exactly the same height.

To OP, you’re riding way too many horses with one ass. The most you’ll be able to achieve is a little above average. If that is your goal, more power to you.

Well, I guess I could narrow it down a little.Aerobic endurance seems a bit incompatible with the other goals and speed is a little hard to train without medicine balls and plyometrics.

But acceleration, speed strength, limit strength, strength endurance and anaerobic endurance seem to mix quite well? It’s basically the same qualities the Soviet olympic weightlifting system concentrates on.I just want to train them all equally, unlike lifters.Still seems too much?

And I don’t feel the need to bulk, this picture is from last summer when I was 18 (females digged that physique), I’m a bit bigger now .I even feel I need to cut down a little to improve my bodyweight to power ratio for sprinting.

So your 190? Didn’t realize that, your avatar seemed much less then that…

So what exactly are you training for? You mentioned you need to optimize for sprinting? What race are you training for? Or do you just want a sprinter’s bodytype?

[quote]maximus89 wrote:

I have to disagree with that statement BCT. When I was still able to play rugby, I never stepped on the pitch at a bw over 230 (second row and no.8). When I would get heavier, my speed and stamina weregreatly effected. But, when I was under 230, I had the speed of a back and I hit like a freight train.

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I agree with your example completely.
I stated all else remains relative…If you could have maintained your speed and stamina the extra weight would have been an advantage.

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
maximus89 wrote:

I have to disagree with that statement BCT. When I was still able to play rugby, I never stepped on the pitch at a bw over 230 (second row and no.8). When I would get heavier, my speed and stamina weregreatly effected. But, when I was under 230, I had the speed of a back and I hit like a freight train.

I agree with your example completely.
I stated all else remains relative…If you could have maintained your speed and stamina the extra weight would have been an advantage.

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I was told point-blank that I had the tools to play with the big boys, but I didn’t have the size. Hell, it took me 5 years to got on the combinded services squad. I tried and my jumping went to crap(this was before lifting in rugby) and running was horrible.

Let’s see how his experiment pays off. Maybe he will gain some unwanted poundage from the sheer brutality, if he doesn’t over do the endurance-side :smiley:

Well, I’m 180 on the avatar, now I am 190 and that seems optimal for me.And I don’t train for anything special right now.I used to compete in local races (100m), but not so much anymore.My PR is 10:55.I just want to be good all-around, perhaps that might pay off well for some team sport.I’m still looking for what suits me best.

I desided to leave the endurance thing out as well as some other stuff as was suggested here to concentrate on ballistic lifting, 5x5 and HIIT according to Tabata protocol.To be in overall good shape.

As far as looks is concerned, I would like to LOOK like a top sprinter, but as was stated by Mark Twight from Gym Jones: “appearance is a result of function”