Every exercise has it’s place as long as you can load the muscle appropriately. It’s naive just to bag one given exercise for absolutely no apparent reason.
I don’t know about that. If one particular movement (flat benching in this case) hurt five years ago and it still hurts now, continuing to do that particular movement regardless of pain seems to make little sense. But what do I know, I do not look like I lift weights and most people don’t even post pics in their profiles on a Bodybuilding site - things that makes you go huh???
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Again, it’s not rocket science. If you can’t do an exercise for whatever reason, don’t do it. There are probably issues around your shoulder you need to address, and probably other shoulder based exercises you can’t do either.
I don’t bother with leg press. Reason, I hate it = boring as fuck and it takes forever to load the damn thing up with enough plates. I want efficiency in the gym, not loading 20+ plates on an exercise I don’t really enjoy.
Just bagging flat bench press as the cause of all shoulder problems, which is what alot of writers and posters do, is bullshit.
While I agree it seems like a trend, I think it’s because of shoulder health concerns. I know I REALLY fucked up my rotator cuff a few years ago on flat bb benching.
I’m sure others who have dropped it have experienced similar problems as well.[/quote]
I appreciate your point, cause its a good one.
However, and this is a general statement, not at you…
WE ARE ALL (hopefully) LIFTING BIG FUCKING HEAVY WEIGHTS
We are all going to experience various musculoskeletal complaints, and invariably, the exercise we load the heaviest will be the culprit.
This is one of the reasons I get beginners to serious training to be incorporating various angles of pressing lifts in their workouts as early as possible. Heaps of beginner advice says to just stick to one variation, not to worry about incline/decline till their very advanced. Bullshit to that, that’s what is going to cause problems in the long term.
We should all be looking after our shoulder health by doing a good complement of shoulder exercises at different angles, and doing regular stretching.
Just avoiding flat bench if you aren’t fixing the problem is probably just avoiding the issue rather than confronting it.
[quote]skimmy_jimmy wrote:
first off, macaroni, you have to be one of the biggest bags of shit ive ever seen. i just wanted a little advice from the vets, not to get fucking dogged on for asking a simple question. i used to always see your pictures and be like damn dude, hes big and seems like a cool guy, wish i could look like that. youre a cocky prick because youre big? fuck off man, you dont know shit about me or what ive been through, or how hard i have had to work to get the fucking “girly” size i have attained. if it makes you feel like a bad ass mother fucker to get on here and run your mouth off to guys who arent as big as you, i dont really give a fuck… have at it BRO. the main reason im not as fucking SWOLL as you is because i have so many pre existing injuries that i really cant do shit about until i am out of college. i have a wife, a kid, work a shitty full time job and go to school 18 hours a semester.
i really dont care if the big bad asses like “my dicks the size of a macaroni” call me a pussy, say i have vaginitis or whatever the fuck. if you have to waste your time sitting your ass in front of a computer, talking shit to smaller guys to make yourself look fuckin hardcore, instead of trying to give sound advice, then youre a bigger bitch then ill ever be. i would have been fine if you just simply said… quite your bitching, work around it and get back to it!
flame me for this, talk some more shit, like i said i really dont care. i just get tired of guys who are lucky enough to not have health/body issues and can pack on a ton of muscle, who then turn into cocky pricks about it and act like theyre king shit.[/quote]
So, you spent a whole lot of time and energy replying when you don’t really give a fuck what he has to say or thinks? That makes no sense to me. Obviously, you do care what he had to say or you would not have bothered with such a long reply.
we have the same problem. i go easy on the bar… i do more DB presses, but i do flat barbell bench press once in a while. not too heavy though. i’d rather that i can do presses with DBs than not being able to do anything at all.
Not that I don’t agree Holy, but keep in mind that years of bench pressing incorrectly may have led to rotator cuff/shoulder problems that now are severely aggravated by the bench press. If the damage is already done, then the OP has to look at correcting the problems, whatever they may be.
“Giving up” on a whole movement is kind of ridiculous though, and I doubt its addressing the real problem. I do them with DB’s now and rarely have problems.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Not that I don’t agree Holy, but keep in mind that years of bench pressing incorrectly may have led to rotator cuff/shoulder problems that now are severely aggravated by the bench press. If the damage is already done, then the OP has to look at correcting the problems, whatever they may be.
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wholely agreed.
although had i been able to tell there were ‘years’ of bench pressing evident, i might not of flipped out so much.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Not that I don’t agree Holy, but keep in mind that years of bench pressing incorrectly may have led to rotator cuff/shoulder problems that now are severely aggravated by the bench press. If the damage is already done, then the OP has to look at correcting the problems, whatever they may be.
wholely agreed.
although had i been able to tell there were ‘years’ of bench pressing evident, i might not of flipped out so much.[/quote]
i never said i was going to quit benching completely. i was pissed off and freaked out when i started the thread, i regret the shit out of it now. i was more scared than anything because i was scared shitless i tore something and would be out of the game a very long time. i have been benching for about 5 years now, always used barbells, rarely rarely used dumbbells. unfortunately, i tend to read things, contrary to what i sometimes believe, and try something new and see how it works. so my form has changed several times.
second, i still cant believe your baggin my ass on a picture that isnt even recent. that picture was taken several months after coming out of a full body cast from a compression fracture of my T-9 shattering most of my left arm. i went from 160 lbs to 100. so yeah, i would say that i didnt look like i had ever even picked up a bag of fuckin rocks. when you cant walk for 3 months or lift anything over 10 lbs, a bit of muscular atrophy is bound to happen.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Not that I don’t agree Holy, but keep in mind that years of bench pressing incorrectly may have led to rotator cuff/shoulder problems that now are severely aggravated by the bench press. If the damage is already done, then the OP has to look at correcting the problems, whatever they may be.
“Giving up” on a whole movement is kind of ridiculous though, and I doubt its addressing the real problem. I do them with DB’s now and rarely have problems. [/quote]
i fucked up on my last post saying “i never said i was going to drop it completely.” at first when i read what you said, i thought you meant cutting out benching COMPLETELY. i am assuming you meant cutting out barbell benching completely would be stupid, not any shape or form of the lift.
[quote]Bamma wrote:
So, you spent a whole lot of time and energy replying when you don’t really give a fuck what he has to say or thinks? That makes no sense to me. Obviously, you do care what he had to say or you would not have bothered with such a long reply.[/quote]
for the most part, i really dont care what people say or think about me unless it’s someone i truly care about and/or respect. the reason i spent so much time and effort on what i said is because i got dogged on by someone who doesnt know my situation or really one damn thing about me. theres few things that irritate me worse than that. and as i said, he said all of that based on an old picture of me. i generally shrug shit like that off, but that whole issue, the accident i was in and my recovery thus far, is a very touchy subject with me.
[quote]fireflyz wrote: @OP Bottom line: It could be the flat bench press causing problems, it could not. You’re no expert and if you’ve been having problems for years then why don’t you get it looked at by someone in the know who can go about fixing it so that you don’t have to pick and choose exercises at random that happened to make your shoulder hurt?[/quote]
True when I was a neubie, I jacked up my shoulder from benching too. I was just basically being a complete dumbass and trying to up my 1 rep max every week and not warming up right. i went to the dr and luckily I just had an impingement that he fixed up with a couple of cortizone shots and a couple of months off.
Now I warm up until I get a pump in the muscle, like Dave Tate said in his article “he has seen championship powerlifters warm up with several sets with just the bar”. Also I dont do a weight that I cant lift 5 times…period. And I have had no shoulder problems since.