Grass is not always green and the sky isn’t always blue. What did your response have to do with anything?
It’s sad that people think it’s all about the elderly when hospital staff and first responders are also at risk. A large number of doctors have died in Italy. And it’s not like there aren’t any doctors, nurses, first responders, who have preexisting conditions which put them at greater risk. But hey, let’s listen to lectures on sacrifice and risk from those who are strangers to both.
I don’t know if what you are reading is accurate, there area bunch of sites with bad data. Also “average” is less relevant than “median” rich people’s wages keep going up and up, not so for the rest of us.
According to this government site, median wage was $24.04 in 2019, there is a link on the page (under “resilience and security”) to a graph which show that median wages in 2009 was around $23. Prices have gone way up on everything since then, especially rent and real estate.
It didn’t get better since Trudeau was elected, that is for sure. To be fair, the previous Conservative government was a bunch of assholes with another set of issues, but that is a another story.
So you won’t be happy until we are at the bottom? Just because overall things are going well in the country doesn’t mean that it’s no big deal if we completely fuck the place up. I don’t see how that is hard to understand.
How could you have possibly come to that conclusion from what I posted? I was pointing out that by numerous sources who rank things it is the best or one of the best countries in the world. I wouldn’t be happy if that changed nor do I want it to get fucked up. I don’t want anywhere to be a bad place to live. That doesn’t make sense
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You’re talking like it’s not worth worrying about the economy because we are doing better than other places. That could all change very fast if this goes on long enough.
I have said nothing of the sort. I’ve told you numerous times I understand worrying about the economy.
It could all change no matter what. Coronavirus or not. No country would ever be safe from tons of scenarios that turn it from good to bad.
I’m just trying to help you keep some perspective when you say things like “well Canada’s already fucked” or something.
I don’t recall saying that, and of course we are not fucked just yet. I just don’t want anything of that sort to happen. We need a strategy to get out of this situation because once the lockdowns end it will likely result in another spike in infections, and as @zecarlo mentioned they are going back on lockdown in Singapore and elsewhere.
Current estimates about the Covid-19 fatality rate may be too high by orders of magnitude.
Singapore was never locked down. Nor were HK and Taiwan.
Basing that off your posts about Canada hospital bed shortage, and other doomsday linked scenarios. Agreed not only are we not fucked yet we aren’t even close to it. But we could be eventually no doubt. I’ve told you very understandable to worry. But probably not going to be good for your mental health to always jump to the conclusion that the worst possible outcome is destined to happen. If all you read it economic horror scenarios, coronavirus horror scenarios, you’re going to put yourself in a horrible mental state. Maybe balance the end of the world stuff with more positive projections? As of right now which is better for you from a physical and mental health standpoint?
No matter what happens with this you are always going to have the ability to worry about the next terrorist attack, next financial crisis, next pandemic, the potential of being nuked. Just seems like an awful way to want to live.
Shouldn’t the strategy be based on where the virus is most rampant, how many cases, etc? With the way it is changing in the US right now an exit strategy doesn’t make a lot of sense at least in a specific manner. Your planned actions for 20 days from now could vastly change based on what happens in the next 5 days. The number one thing we need for a specific exit strategy is data and time to be somewhat predictable. With neither of those things available what is the rush? Why does an exit strategy designed today help us more than one designed 5 days from now with more information?
It’s also not like these things aren’t being discussed constantly by our leaders. They are. Releasing something that says we’re stopping this on say April 22 no matter what doesn’t make sense. No one will change behavior anyways if they live in a region where 90% of the people have it. And that place should absolutely have a different strategy than where I live.
Yes, one of the first things I ever said on the topic of the coronavirus was that simple math is not a good way to estimate the case fatality rate. In fact I brought up these very kinds of scenarios. You are trying to make a point I’ve already made in the other thread.
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As this thread is about people acting like idiots, I am going to bash your president with this joke posting I found somewhere.
There’s a plane with 5 passengers onboard… Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, Angela Merkel, The Pope, and a 10 year old boy. The plane is about to crash and there are only 4 parachutes.
Donald says, “I need one. I’m the smartest man in America and am needed to sort out the problems of the world!” He takes one and jumps. Boris says, “I’m needed to sort out Britain”. He takes one and jumps. The Pope says, “I need one, as the world needs the Catholic Church.” He takes one and jumps. Angela says to the boy, “You can have the last parachute. I’ve lived my life, yours is only just starting.” The boy replies, "Don’t worry, there are 2 parachutes left… the smartest man in America just took my school bag.”
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ok. I thought I read they were going back into lockdown. Are they going into lockdown now or just thinking about it? Or not thinking about it? Maybe the article used the word lockdown but it isn’t the same thing in those countries. Lockdown doesn’t even mean lockdown here.
https://www.againstcovid19.com/singapore/dashboard/infection_sources
As you can see, there were 2 waves prior to this.
The first wave originated from people who were from, or had traveled to Wuhan. The second wave was mainly from local clusters.
All they did was quarantine people who tested positive and and their close contacts. People arriving from China were ordered to self-isolate at home. This expanded to travelers from more countries with rising number of infections.
For this 3rd wave, there are both spikes in local clusters and imported cases so this is what’s happening:
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Best I can see it from where I’ve been in Kansas lockdown to this point has largely meant do whatever you want just expect less people to be there. Just now are we starting to close some non essential businesses which essential may be defined differently in different areas. Our fast food places aren’t closing down and some are using apps to deliver. And we aren’t a big place so things in place like that have never happened.
Coronavirus just made it to where I don’t have to drive half a mile to get a quarter pounder! With new rewards points and home delivery why eat anything else?!
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@loppar I appreciate the detailed response, and I agree with almost all of it.
I need to make my point better, which is: the title of this thread is stupid. Your examples were about European behavior, were they not? The title of the thread is about Americans, is it not?
There is a fine line between tempting fate, and trying to micro manage fate. I don’t know where that line is, but imo we’ve crossed it.
N=1 example: doctor friend in Bay Area hospital says it’s 40% empty right now, waiting for the influx of Covid cases; surgeries including that for breast cancer are being denied right now, due to fear of Covid spread, and waiting for the influx of Covid cases.
That means the SIP measures are working be in the Bay area. In Boston, my buddy’s wife is a doctor in an ER. She is dealing with awful conditions now apparently.
If mitigation measures are followed and they work, it will look like we over prepared. If the measures are not followed snd/or they don’t work, medical facilities will be stretched to breaking and people will die unnecessarily. I haven’t heard of any critical procedures being put off, only elective or non time sensitive procedures… But I could be way off on that.
Yes, because Europe has a headstart on the whole pandemic thing so the consequences of their bad decisions and much more obvious.
Yes it is. And if the 'Muricans make exactly the same bad decisions for purely financial reasons they’ll will end up in the same place on the exponential curve.
Stupidity is universal.
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No disagreement from me at all.
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I’m in the southern suburbs of Pittsburgh and I’m actually astounded at this point.
I’m a few hundred yards from some walking/biking trails. Me and my neighbor took our kids out today for a walk and I saw, no joke, minimum 2, 000 people this afternoon.
That’s more people in one afternoon than I’ve seen on this particular stretch of trail in 20 years.
Because it was a really nice day.
I think that this shelter in place/essential people only thing is backfiring in an extraordinary way, at least in some places and populations.
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