Could be. Pretty sure this has been said during every major crisis ever. It certainly was during the Great Recession. Do you think the world was significantly worse in America (or Canada) last year than 2007?
Ok. Our President just said Easter. Seems like that’s a pretty massive window of time. It seems weird to worry about December in March.
Does anyone think it can be? Why do we need an exit strategy to end it? What if we ya know waited a bit and saw where things were at?
No doubt. I just think we’re talking about something that essentially in this country hasn’t even started yet. We don’t need an exit strategy for something that pretty much hasn’t started nationwide. Now at least in Kansas many places are moving towards doing something and areas of the US already have.
The UN is pretty much supposed to prepare for a lot of bad scenarios. Look at some of the comments from the Great Recession. Make no mistake about it you as what I’m assuming is a middle class Canadian has much less to fear than most of the world.
Economically, yes by a fair amount. We never recovered from 2008-2009
But what does he actually know? He just likes to talk.
Yeah, and the fact that they are is a reason in itself to worry.
Because experts are saying that once the lockdowns are ended it is likely we will have a second wave of infections. What do we do then, go back on lockdown? There is no real plan at this point.
That’s all we can do for the moment, but how long will we wait?
It hasn’t started yet in many parts of the US, but in Canada, Europe, India, and other places it has.
Just when life started to get comfortable this has to happen.
Yes, I’m better off than the millions of people living in the slums of India, but I had aspirations for a better life, not clinging to what little is left.
I’m working. I know a lot of people who are working. I placed an order at the butcher and picked it up. Some things are closed or had to modify how they interact with the public. I can’t go to the gym but that won’t be forever.
Sure, Boeing is in trouble. They were in trouble already. And… they were probably going to get a bailout whether or not someone in China thought eating bats was a good idea. And those same people talking about sacrifice now would have been handing over the money.
We have time to do what we should have done. The blueprint is out there.
See above.
I hear you. I fed my dog a chicken leg quarter for breakfast and some ground beef and a piece of pork neck bone for dinner. I think they call that food for a month in Somalia.
Nothing will, it appears we are in some eerie twilight zone type dimension wherein the federal government can literally do whatever it wants without significant public backlash
The flats/shantytowns in South Africa are far worse than even the worst of neighbourhoods in the US/Aus. I recall being shown the conditions inside one of the residences, very small… no beds (but blankets on the floor), about the size of the average bedroom (the entire house). The owner says “seven people sleep here”…
I believe Trump has stated he wishes to re-open the US by Easter… Despite stark warnings from healthcare professionals (but he doesn’t listen to experts because the only opinions that matter are his own, or what is said on Fox News). I wonder, if 1% of the US populace dies, will his supporters still rally behind him “you can’t say Hillary would’ve done a better job”
What’s your standard for never recovered? I would say on the whole for the majority of Americans last year was pretty fucking good from an economic point. A million more jobs than we could fill and finally some rising wages. Seems like a lot of Americans enjoyed fortnite, social media, etc. I didn’t see a lot of stories of average Americans starving and out of power.
Not and much. It shows that the leader of the country is going to send a message that this will probably be pretty damn temporary. Obviously that may be different for New York than Idaho.
We have no idea what will happen. I would assume yes is an obvious answer? If we thought the risk warranted it. Isn’t that why we are doing this now?
We may have been talking about different things. I meant a “lockdown” hasn’t started here on the whole and honestly may never start in most of the country depending on how we define lockdown. I do expect a lot of places to have short term shelter in place guidelines. But the amount of Americans working and consuming products is still significant.
I would say it’s a stretch to assume you’re at a point to where you’re clinging to life from a financial standpoint though I don’t know your bank account. We’ve talked a lot and I can’t say don’t be scared. Fuck I am. But right now I’m a lot more scared for sick and potentially sick Americans than I am my stocks.
Never understood this either. Even now, bottle stores are considered “essential services”, take away liquor is now being prioritised (the NSW government loosened liquor laws). Not only is ethanol not an essential commodity to society (barring those who are dependent on alcohol to function… they need it as alcohol is one of the few wherein withdrawal can kill). The fact that we will consider a highly addictive drug (with a high predisposition for inducing violent, antisocial behaviour when abused) an essential societal commodity reeks of hypocrisy.
I understand some need to be sedated/a little bit out of it (Chris Ottawa initially said this)… order the booze online… don’t waltz into a crowded store.
Thank god, so it’s just a misleading/false statement.
The theory of a lockdown in the US (imposed) isn’t far fetched. It’s the notion of expecting the majority of the populace to follow said restrictions most certainly is far fetched. New study conducted in NSW found (for Australia) at least, you’d need 80% of the populace to comply with isolation/social distancing for three to four months in order to control the spread.
I highly doubt we will ever get 80% of Australians (or American’s) for that matter to comply… we have too many arrogant individuals who believe they know better.
Hell, I had someone (family friend) ask one of my parents (the one who is a medical professional) “so, is this a hoax? Is it even real”
Your dog eats better than most people around here. Is he on a keto diet?
Prices relative to wages are higher.
Yes, Trump did some good things for the US economy. Fidelito Trudeau, not so much.
But that means that we would be indefinitely locked down, possibly with a break here and there.
Just wait and see, it started like that here and now it’s essential businesses only. They have a list, and if your business isn’t on it you will get a big fine if you open. Last night in Gatineau (across the river from Ottawa in Quebec) there were 6 people partying and making noise in an apartment, police showed up and gave them $1000 fines. You aren’t allowed to be in groups of more than 2 people, apparently not even in an apartment.
I’m not, and I’m still working. I just don’t want to end up in a situation like that. What are my kids going to do if the country is still fucked in a few years?
That’s probably true. In fact, it’s very likely true. However you made a post the gist of which was basically “I don’t like those numbers. You shouldn’t use those numbers. I bet it’s not even that bad” and then didn’t post any numbers or any alternative. You don’t have a way to estimate your stat, which makes it absolutely useless. Using numbers that are confirmed is slightly less useless than your way. And attempting to correct the inflation is more useful.
There are methods out there to try to correct for the unknown. But you didn’t link any of them or give an explanation of how you would come up with what you think are accurate numbers.
Don’t take this as an attack, but saying “those numbers are bad” and then not giving any alternative method simply doesn’t work. You’ve also said in many places on this thread and others that you don’t know how bad it is but someone needs to figure it out. Well, figuring it out starts with numbers that are probably not accurate, but are better than nothing, and improving on them. That’s what most researchers and policy people are trying to do. And they’re starting with (roughly) the numbers I quoted you. I don’t want to dig thru the prints to break out a model.
Significantly? I’m not a Canadian economist but it looks like from a graph I can barely read the average hourly wage in 2009 was close to 20 and the average hourly wage in 2019 was 26.3.
From what I’ve read before Canada is a lot like America in the sense that where you live matters a whole lot. I’m decidedly middle wage in my location but would have a hard time living in the same building in San Fran.
Is it that bad up there? US News 2020 report has you in the same spot as 2019. Let me list the countries below you in their quality of life ranking…all countries. We come in at 15.
Not everyone has you that high another one had you at 3.