An ICU that has to turn people away who might otherwise recover is not an everyday scenario. A car accident that sends someone to an ICU probably happens in several places everyday. A car accident that sends 100 people to an ICU in a day, in several locations, is not something that happens everyday.
Are you thinking that the economy is facing a scenario right now where they wouldn’t have happy and successful lives? Don’t you think the scenario for that type of impact is far off? More like shut down for a full year than a month or two?
Concerns for the economy long term are precisely why I think what we’re doing in the short term is correct.
Is your daughter unable to work or get unemployment or is she not afforded child care and has to stay home because of that? Because I know quite a bit of resources that can help. Although I know most of the ones for border state regions to me and I can’t remember where you live.
Nothing is hard, we just know that those numbers are not accurate.
Notice I’m not saying anywhere in any thread that the virus should be allowed to spread uncontrollably. The question, which I do not have an answer for, is what is the least economically damaging measures that can be taken which will not overload the medical system? That is what needs to be done, because this all comes at a cost.
No, the current situation has nothing to do with the depression. It’s the aftermath that may end up being similar. It will be like recovering from a war if it goes on long enough.
Until we are old…
He had numerous opportunities to do that, as many of us have had, but he never did, unlike some who post here. Why should I believe him now?
It was in reference to these people saying they would have no problems dying for the economy. They don’t know what this particular death looks like because if they did, they wouldn’t say it.
Do you honestly think knowing what you know at this time that a significant chance exists that is similar? Because if you do I think you need to read up on how the depression was. It would probably take years of quarantine to get in the ballpark of that experience.
We’ve been at war since oct of 2001 and most Americans seem pretty fat and happy.
They only care about the unborn. Once they are born, they are either classified as essential worker or non-essential worker and if you are in the later group, much like in Europe during the Third Reich, you are expendable. Maybe.
We were talking about this in the other thread, they are estimating 30% unemployment in the US which is more than whatever it was back in the depression. Plus many businesses will close too, and people will lose their houses. It won’t be the exact same, but it could be a comparable situation and that is the number 2 thing that needs to be avoided, after minimizing deaths and overcrowding of hospitals due to the virus.
Except it was Americans invading other countries, not the other way around. Do Afghanis and Iraqis look fat and happy too?
Of course it’s not an actual war and there will be no infrastructure damage, but there will be a recovery period for sure. Just think of all the kids and what sort of future they have ahead of them.
Uhh…but you missed the part where he won’t sacrifice himself. He’s got a ton of money. Name a prominent, wealthy person who’s died of coronavirus. There’s definitely been a few rich people quarantined, but they won’t die. They won’t have to wait for a ventilator or a hospital bed when there are none. I haven’t seen him speak out against wealth inequality before, or ballooning student debt, or any of the factors that have been created by the older generations to sustain themselves by fucking all the young people over. He won’t die of this, and Glenn Beck won’t die of this, but they’ll sure as shit tell other people to go die so they don’t lose any money.
But hey - if you’re of the “I believe what he says, period” school of thought, then there’s not much more to be said. I just find it hilarious that someone sitting safely in the best position one could be in a situation like this can offer up everyone else’s life as a sacrifice and then be admired for it.
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Economic numbers that are largely irrelevant to current experience may be similar and may even be worse.
Happens in recessions and depressions yes.
Right now comparing the two from an experience standpoint (which is all that matters, short term unemployment numbers do not) is so laughably hyperbolic I cant even begin to take it seriously.
I am. I’m going to assume they will have an abundance of food, education, opportunity, etc. much much much much more than almost anyone in the depression had.
Unless one purely means from a numbers standpoint of something like unemployment thinking this will result in something like the Great Depression is mind blowing. The President just said he wants to stop this Easter. To reach the Depression he might have needed to say we will stop in 7 Easters.
Because that’s not what he said. He was speaking in reference to what is going on now. He also lied because he isn’t risking anything. It’s easy to say but harder to do. I volunteered to join the military, in a time of war. He is just empty rhetoric, like most politicians.
Impressive.
And whose experience would that be?
That is what we are aiming for, but it is not guaranteed.
You seem overly optimistic.
Pretty much my point…talking about this on Beck is beyond stupid
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Vast majority of Americans then to now. Look I work with poor people on an everyday basis. We got some shitty situations here. Most of those people live like kings if they went back in time. What’s sad is we don’t take better care of these people who need help now when we have people who have so much. That’s a different topic.
The vast majority of poor people in this country don’t can weeds to eat. Granted I haven’t seen everyone’s home. I’m going to guess nationwide that number is either 0 or pretty damn close.
Never is guaranteed. Just seems like it’s been that way in America though for forever? Maybe this ends it. The end of that has been said since the beginning of our country. So far if you were betting on the end from the beginning you’re broke. If you’re betting on bound to end sometime that may be a different story.
I would say you seem overly pessimistic. As if you are resigned to the fact that this is bound to be the end or something.
That’s the thing. In places that have been through wars, famines, severe natural disasters, people worry about food, shelter, clean water, not the stock market. There has been no indication that we will run out of food, won’t have clean water, or lose our homes. This isn’t exactly doomsday end times.
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If this keeps up how will I have more than three homes in retirement? I don’t want that for my kids future!
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It’s not the end of the world, but maybe the end of the world we once knew. When will it end? A few weeks or a month or two doesn’t sound too bad, but what about this:
The UN plan is designed to last from April to December – suggesting the UN does not see the crisis ending any time soon.
We need an exit strategy, it can’t just be an indefinite lockdown. At some point the risk of continuing with these measures will be worse than the 1.4% chance of death. We are nowhere near that right now of course, but when the UN says shit like that, the future looks bleak as fuck.
Should all of humanity be brought down to that level?
That might be a good thing.
Some of humanity already is. We aren’t even close.
Go to a ghetto in America then go to a favela in Brazil. Not even our shitholes are close to other countries’ shitholes.
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Maybe in some ways, but not in most.
A communist dictatorship would solve the problem, just look at Wuhan. If the economy collapses and basic goods become scarce then price controls, rationing, and government regulation of all business could be the only way to meet basic needs.
I have been to ghettos in other countries, like Jamaica. You don’t want to live like that.