clairement, surtout qu’on parle d’une “petite pandémie” lisez it is an endless world un vieux mangas mais ils parlent bien de ça je trouve
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Ah, les fameuses chretiens americains que veulent eliminer des vieux
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ahaaha they want to kill all of the old peoples damnit, a lot of politic will die like that y_y’‘’
In that case, the 15% figure isn’t much use either. I understand what you are saying, but for all practical purposes there is no point in using a number that you know is inflated. In reality, it would probably be in the range of 2-10% when you take asymptomatic cases into account, so potentially 10% of the population would need medical attention in a worst case scenario where this spread uncontrollably.
There isn’t a lot I can really say about this, some experts with solid data need to figure this out. They just need to come up with less economically damaging strategy than shutting down everything indefinitely.
Plus comme des crétins
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It’s the standard ‘rally around our leader during wartime’ bump that’s going on.
For how long and to what extent it persists… seems foreseeable?
Yeah, they’re taking the virus seriously in Spain and abandoning the elderly completely. Very compassionate.
By that logic, no one should ever go anywhere, Coronavirus or no. You have to quantify what the risk is and then define what is acceptable. There is always some risk and some level of risk has to be acceptable unless you are proposing bubble world (and arguing we should have always lived in bubble world).
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You have to apply the precautionary principle when an highly contagious virus is spreading like wildfire. The consequences are unknown and therefore you cannot quantify “acceptable”.
Why is the town of Bergamo the hardest hit in Italy? A soccer match. This was also the cause for the current clusterfuck in Spain.
One bar in an Austrian ski resort is responsible for most of the contagions in Scandinavia and the Low Countries, as well as the Balkans:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/24/europe/austria-ski-resort-ischgl-coronavirus-intl/index.html
Two dumb decisions, motivated exclusively by financial reasons caused thousands of deaths.
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Yeah people talking about Great Depression and this have no sense of reality. How many Americans are canning tumbleweed and clubbing jackrabbits because they can’t afford to shoot them?
Don’t get me wrong the potential for this to get really really bad exists. I would say the vast majority of Americans aren’t eating much different today than they did a month ago. Some might eventually be forced to eat McDonalds less. Hard times may be ahead, but they aren’t going to even be close to the significant hard times of the past for a long long time. I couldn’t even hazard a guess to how long it would have to be before canned tumbleweed is something people would have to resort to doing.
Yes the same economy that you and and your young children will be able to utilize.
I wasn’t speaking to his specific service as much as that generation being one that went to Vietnam. My dad is 70 and a vet. I read his comments in the opposite sense that you did, but I don’t watch Beck so I have no idea whether he meant it as you believe or not. Something tells me though he was speaking about his willingness to sacrifice his life as opposed to him wanting others to sacrifice theirs for him.
Not sure where this came from. I didn’t even say anything about it.
These are the only numbers we have for Italy, and some numbers are better than no numbers. Therefore these are the numbers to use until we come up with better numbers. I don’t really understand what’s so hard about that.
Ok, let’s take 10%. We have 350 million people, so that means 35 MILLION need hospital attention. We have 100,000 ish ICU beds. Do the math.
Ok, how about 2%? Well that’s still 7 million people. That’s still >>> than 100,000 ICU beds. That’s more hospital beds than we even have in this country.
The math doesn’t lie. Period.
His statement was keeping America that all America loves in exchange for risking oldsters survival. You kind of jumped it to Road Warrior.
directed to H rather than Aragorn
Is America in some type of risk I’m not aware of that we should discuss if that type of sacrifice is needed?
I mean I’d gladly sacrifice myself for my wife and daughter. It seems very weird to say no one asked old people if we want to be saved and we would give it up for all. I assume this is true of many.
Right now what we are doing seems like a very positive thing that people can learn from. Isn’t sacrifice for the greater good a pretty basic American idea?
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Doesn’t it seem a bit…off…that we’re hearing this ‘sacrifice’ sentiment first from people who are living in mansions, with tons of money, and access to the best medical care one could have in case they got sick? Also, with all that money, especially money tied up in stocks, they have the most to lose (while still being richer than the rest of us even if they did lose it), but we’re meant to believe this isn’t about their money, it’s about the kids? And we’re supposed to believe that from a politician/talk show host and another political talk show host?
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I only replied originally, as I think OP was misconstrued from Patrick’s words and intent.
If zecarlo wants to deride a man saying he would chance sacrificing his own future for someone younger, well we know his stock reply is troll, no matter what position, statement any and every other poster in PWI takes.
Like a childish teenager, and truly frightening t think he is an educator.
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Very well. I didn’t see the context behind everything either. I don’t see America at any sort of risk right now that would say we need to immediately stop what we’re doing and if millions of people die we did it to save the country.
That seems like a very bizarre thing to discuss on this day. Maybe it won’t be in a year.
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There is some point where you accept a man saying what he would do or what his values are, or you don’t.
But this country has billions of examples of self sacrifice, up to death.’
Personally I admire that.
As do I. I think I said it was an admirable statement. To me what we’re doing is smart, ethical, and potentially the smartest thing to do for the economy based on the knowledge we currently have and what could potentially happen without doing this.
I see frankly insane hyperbole comparing this to the Great Depression. I guarantee you if I leave my house tonight drive-thrus in my area are full of people. Now obviously a time will come where economically speaking staying in has enough impact that maybe it’s worth risking lives and spinning the wheel that the hospitals won’t be overcrowded leading to more death.
The idea that that time is now or even anytime soon isn’t something I agree with.
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My friends (retirement +/- 2 years) that saw their 401k shit the bed are fearful the end is nigh.
Is it mercenary that I am considering targeting their fear into a real estate investment I have been working on? :7)
I have a daughter your age and grandchild, so yes I am concerned with the state of the economy.