Last time I saw people get this upset over a parade was when my grandparents visited San Francisco.
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Let me see, it’s odd because we usually have to have permits and notice!?!
It is sad when you have to consider how to get home with a parade itinerary released the day you need to get in/out!?!
Maybe?
I assure you their reasons were motivated purely by delightful old time bigotry.
SFs pride parade is/was stupid amounts of fun. Plus, it’s a huuuuge ego boost- must be what it’s like to be a hot woman, but never having to fear for my safety haha.
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I get my compliment for the year when we end up at a gay bar during bar hoping.
Not only that, but three for ones which are essentially a glass of booze with a splash of coke.
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Some sort of “3 for 1s for 2-10-2s” promotion. I love the marketing behind it.
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I think the exit strategy that sounds the most logic to me is: build up huge test capacities and medical supply. Slooooowly open the gates and from there you test on a huge scale and track every positive one down, get his contacts in quarantine. That is how Korea did it and thats what some experts wrote about (sources are german so probably no need to look for them again).
In many countries (like here in Germany) the data thingies from your phone are not easy to use because of privacy rights. In the US you could probably say that the person is a terrorist (if his skin colour is dark enough) and have access to all of his data.
Maybe it was an allergic reaction, but man, the day after a few too many jack&cokes my ass would hurt like hell…
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If most people are sick then thy will soon be recovered and immune as well.
You would have to prevent travel between cities or regions, as I mentioned previously.
In Canada and the US there is a shortage of both and no plans to test the majority of suspected cases. What you are suggesting would make sense, but unfortunately that is not what is being done.
What are you basing this on? If 90% of the population is sick from this what’s the number of people that are dead? How long does it take before enough people are healthy enough to work? Healthy enough to spend significant money? Are they all hoarding it in fear of future sickness? Do we know once you have coronavirus you can’t get it again? Seems like it would be too early to know that on the whole. Pretty sure Wuhan has had people who have tested positive twice.
So it would take a massive effort to keep this from happening. Would it be worth it to “open everything up” faster? Or perhaps wait a bit until the need for some of these things was much lower?
I don’t know the answer and I’m sure it would depend on some of our hypotheticals. But with the way this has spread worldwide I’m not convinced a simple you don’t go here for a bit fixes it all. Especially with what we know about the viruses ability to stick to surfaces. It seems possible that production in my area and goods shipped to California could potentially spread the virus. Although I would guess the likelihood may be low.
We aren’t sure you become immune or, if you do, how long it lasts.
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Even if we were sure it would not be worth having everyone run out and get it at the same time anyways for reasons that have been discussed a million times on here.
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1.4%, or maybe less.
Not too long in most cases. Days or weeks. 80% of confirmed cases required no medical treatment
If your body doesn’t produce antibodies to fight off the virus then you won’t get better. Basic science.
Most likely it was people who were getting better but never fully recovered before the symptoms came back. It can happen if your immune system is not working well for whatever reason.
Is there not already a massive effort to implement and maintain the current measures? How hard is it to block highways?
They say the virus can survive up to 2-3 days on smooth surfaces, much shorter on other surfaces.
And nobody is arguing for that, so why bring it up?
You’re ok with 4,400,000 dead in the US? I’m fucking not.
There is nothing basic about what you’re saying. And you yourself admit you don’t understand it so you don’t get to pull the “it’s basic science brah” card.
You can get other coronaviruses multiple times. The common cold varieties are coronaviruses–you can get them multiple times. Further, antibody levels to MERS, for example, drop to vanishingly small levels when a patient convalesces. They don’t stick around at levels like other illnesses. MERS, btw, has a death rate of about 35%.
There’s nothing “basic” about what you’re trying to say–the topic is not clear cut for new viruses.
Data from cruise ships is calling that into question. It was found on surfaces for a couple weeks.
We don’t know EXACTLY how long the virus maintains viability. What we have right now are guesses. As with most things in research, guesses may vary dramatically and eventually converge.
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People have already gotten better and tested positive for the virus again.
edit: @aragorn already covered it. This isn’t a shot at chris, but more of an eye-opener with regard to all the TV personalities giving their opinions on the virus and telling doctors to stay in their lane - even virologists don’t have a perfect understanding of this virus, so the rest of us are way behind the curve, and oversimplification/abstract extrapolation of useless data has led to a lot of people having a lot of really strong opinions about something they can’t know.
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I don’t understand how people can have something in front of their faces and still not have a clue.
Look at Italy. What is going on there is happening in one region, not the entire country. Look at all of those numbers of dead and hospitalized that we see everyday and imagine how much higher they would be if it were not confined to one region. If the healthcare system is overwhelmed by what is happening in one region it would probably collapse if it were the entire country.
The virus is not confined to one part of America. It is in every state.
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Quite true. This thing is new, and there’s a lot of variation within classes of viruses anyway.
This is also true, but as ActivitiesGuy posted in his thread it remains to be seen whether this was due to testing problems (false positives, false negatives, etc) or it represents a loss of immunity.
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Well, aren’t there multiple strains of it? Can’t we develop an immunity to one strain but still contract another?
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That may be what’s happening, but we don’t know one way or the other yet.
The term “strain” is kind of tricky, but yes there are multiple strains being tracked.
What we are all witnessing is real-time selection pressures balancing virus vs. quarantine/suppression efforts, etc.
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Cool so no one died from other things when they all had this at once? Not bad. I thought a big fear was limited resources led to a shit ton more deaths from things that weren’t corona? But if it’s only a couple million who gives a shit I guess? I would hate for a little inconvenience if we aren’t even talking about double digit millions.
Cool and with people not getting better we can keep cycling it around!
As for no one arguing for it you said if most people get it then they will soon be recovered and immune. If you’re not arguing for it why bring up hilariously dumb things man? I’m way less intelligent on this type of thing than the people posting to you above. I can fully admit I don’t know the science one bit. But I do know our healthcare system absolutely can’t take this thing getting into all of us. We’re talking a fraction of our population having confirmed cases right now and we’re straining.
Advocating for anything less than full stop to get what we already have taken care of is insane. And you’ve basically said this but it’s like you keep coming back to other things. As if we can see the battle going on in your brain.