[quote]Tallguyy76 wrote:
John S. wrote:
n3wb wrote:
John S. wrote:
Sxio wrote:
Many laughs at the ‘who would you rather be punched by?’ comment. I do not want to be punched by the guy who trains to punch things. If all you do is lift weights then you don’t know shit about fighting.
WHAT??? are you saying someone who benched a lot would not hit like a truck?
All things created equal the heavy bencher would hit harder. I would rather get hit by the strong bencher that dosent train to punch harder.
The heavy bencher would hit alot harder then someone who just trains punches, the person who trains punches learns to manipulate there power the the highest degree, but I have never seen someone who can bench a lot that does not know how to manipuluate there body to hit there hardest.(maybe I just see some oddity’s)
At whay level are you talking about? Wladamir Klitscko probably doesn’t have any idea what he bench presses but I can almost gurantee you that his right hand is much harder then Gene Rylchak’s. Who cares? Gene’s thing is to bench masive amounts of weight. Klitscko’s is to knock peple out. I doubt either loses sleep at night worrying about the other or how they train.
Punching power is one of those elusive things. If the answer was to just give some one a bigger bench then there would not be boxers walking around without punching power. Strong core and legs would have more impact then a strong bench on punching power as that is where your power is generated. If you had said that a person with a big bench hits harder then the average person I would give you that but to say they hit harder then a pro with punching power is crazy. Punching power is something that can be trained to an extent but for the most part it’s technique and just something your born with. The rate of force development for a punch and a bench is totally diffrent. Put your fist against a wall and push as if you are trying to push threw it (benchpress). How much damage are you going to do to it? Now what if you punched the wall. The speed factor makes a huge diffrence.
Why do people really care how anyone else trains? I think there are insecure people on both sides. There are crossfit/functional/MMA wannabes who think they can knockout, chokeout or outperform anybody on the face of the earth and then there are the lifters that don’t understand that just because they are strong that does not make them an instant badass. Think most of us fall in the middle and dont begrudge anyone their goals or how they train.
Before ever even toughing a weight I hit 250 pounds and this was in the army running 4 days a week. I am up to about 290 now but plan on working my way back down to 250 because the extra weight doesn’t fit my personal goals as a recreational athlete. Other’s goals are to get bigger and stronger. Are we going to train the same? No. Am I going to put them down because of their goals? No.
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Im not saying the bench is the only peice, If someone has a good squat bench and deadlift they are going to hit like trucks. I have seen my punching power and Everyone elses increase when they did bench squats and deads.
Is techniq important the answer is YES, but are you saying that a guy could bench 135 and just use techniq is somehow going to hit harder then a guy benching 225? and I have yet to see someone in a fight primarily throw bombs evertime I have either been or have seen a fight, no one sits there and throws bombs, usually it goes like this 2 jabs and a Right/Left depending on wich is stronger, then if the guy is still standing they throw there bomb and its over.
I dont care how much tech you got a guy who can produce more force is going to hit harder, hell if that wasn’t the case you would see all these 250lb body builders and powerlifters getting there ass kicked by these 160lb mma fighters, have you ever seen this because I sure as hell havn’t
Oh well, agree to disagree.
