[quote]John S. wrote:
Why compete to lose? Thats exactly what he would be doing.
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Do you compete in powerlifting? Waiting to compete till your lifts are at a certain point is not the best advice. Everyone starts somewhere.
Did your coaches tell you when you played sports as a kid that you couldn’t play in the game until you reached a certain level? Did your team forfeit if it was playing a team that it could not beat? Would the Raiders not bother showing up to play the Patriots?
[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:
Donnie Thompson on When to Compete:
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That’s all well and good, but at a seminar in '04, I believe, someone asked Dave Tate what they should be lifting before they enter a competition. His answer was “135 bench, 135 squat, 135 dead.”
So…
[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:
Bottomline is last place in a meet beats everyone who didn’t compete.[/quote]
It sounds like something written in a high school weight room (and I mean that in a good way), but it’s true.
[quote]John S. wrote:
Before competing even crosses your mind, your squat should increase at least 150lbs.[/quote]
Not only is your advice fucking stupid but it really just come across as degrading. Those are limits you have set in your life, wrong headed as they are, and you really shouldn’t be asserting them on other people.
I remembered you from the z-suit post and went back to look at what pearls of wisdom you offered there.
Interestingly, you stated you “do 415” and aren’t even considering a suit. The only conclusion I can come to based on this is you have never done a meet as your stated squat is 50#'s less than what you are recommending this guy achieve before he competes.
Bottom line, why don’t you let people here who actually compete in powerlifting offer advice on powerlifting competition?
[quote]Epimetheus wrote:
and would like to learn more about it. I’m very interested in competing sometime in the near future, but I have no idea where I would find a meet, or if I need a team, or anything, really. Can you guys give me a hand? I plan on switching over to a more PLing-oriented program in the next month or so; probably WSFSB. Also, would these numbers be competitive at all at age 20, 220 lbs?
bench ~315 lbs
squat ~315 lbs (I’ll want to get this up to over 400 before I even consider a meet).
deadlift ~500 lbs[/quote]
400 in the gym does not necessarily equal 400 in a meet.
You may find out you are a “meet lifter” and do better in competition or you may find out you have technical or mental game issues that result in your lifts being much less.
I think the lifts you have posted are all good starting points.
Somebody mentioned powerliftingwatch.com which is a good site. MN and WI are right next door to you and these are both strong USAPL states.
I was actually looking at powerliftingwatch.com and saw a meet that is really close to me in july. I don’t want to jump into it until I’m completely injury free and my squat has gotten back up to where it used to be, so this would probably be my best bet, unless I can find something between that one and my finals week.
I understand that my it’s likely my lifts at a meet will not be the same as my gym lifts. Nevertheless, I still plan on getting my squat way up before the meet in july.
Thanks again for the help. I’ll probably be hanging around this section more, absorbing knowledge and chiming in when I feel I can contribute.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
John S. wrote:
Before competing even crosses your mind, your squat should increase at least 150lbs.
Not only is your advice fucking stupid but it really just come across as degrading. Those are limits you have set in your life, wrong headed as they are, and you really shouldn’t be asserting them on other people.
I remembered you from the z-suit post and went back to look at what pearls of wisdom you offered there.
Interestingly, you stated you “do 415” and aren’t even considering a suit. The only conclusion I can come to based on this is you have never done a meet as your stated squat is 50#'s less than what you are recommending this guy achieve before he competes.
Bottom line, why don’t you let people here who actually compete in powerlifting offer advice on powerlifting competition?
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Good points all APW. I chose to attend a meet before competing in one, and once I saw how everything went I really wished that I would’ve competed that day. It was still cool to see Shawn Lattimer bench 875 like it was 135.
My advice to the OP, go for it. Ignore “John S.”. You will not embarass yourself, but I guarantee that you will have a blast.
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
johnnytang24 wrote:
Donnie Thompson on When to Compete:
That’s all well and good, but at a seminar in '04, I believe, someone asked Dave Tate what they should be lifting before they enter a competition. His answer was “135 bench, 135 squat, 135 dead.”
So…
Tim Henriques wrote:
Bottomline is last place in a meet beats everyone who didn’t compete.
It sounds like something written in a high school weight room (and I mean that in a good way), but it’s true.[/quote]
I don’t think being last at a local meet by a 600lbs margin would be better than not competing. Would you tell someone, first day in the gym, to enter a meet? It’s not that hard to place middle of the pack at a local meet. The OP has the numbers for that right now.
I don’t think being last at a local meet by a 600lbs margin would be better than not competing. Would you tell someone, first day in the gym, to enter a meet? It’s not that hard to place middle of the pack at a local meet. The OP has the numbers for that right now. [/quote]
This guy’s lifts don’t resemble those of someone who is on their first day in the gym.
[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:
Chris Colucci wrote:
johnnytang24 wrote:
Donnie Thompson on When to Compete:
That’s all well and good, but at a seminar in '04, I believe, someone asked Dave Tate what they should be lifting before they enter a competition. His answer was “135 bench, 135 squat, 135 dead.”
So…
Tim Henriques wrote:
Bottomline is last place in a meet beats everyone who didn’t compete.
It sounds like something written in a high school weight room (and I mean that in a good way), but it’s true.
I don’t think being last at a local meet by a 600lbs margin would be better than not competing.[/quote]
Why not? If that’s their first competition, they’ve gained experience. When (if?) they enter another, their goal can be “don’t come in last” or even just “beat what I did last time.” Like the majority of guys are saying, it’s going to be a better time if he goes in there just to see what he can do. If he happens to place well, that’s gravy.
If they walked into the gym for the first time, and could bench/squat/dead 135 with good form, and they were interested in competing, I don’t see the problem.
As long as they don’t get injured in the contest, and as long as they walk in there knowing ahead of time that they’re competing for experience, not for a trophy, then it’s only going to be a positive experience.
[quote]Epimetheus wrote:
I was actually looking at powerliftingwatch.com and saw a meet that is really close to me in july. I don’t want to jump into it until I’m completely injury free and my squat has gotten back up to where it used to be, so this would probably be my best bet, unless I can find something between that one and my finals week.
I understand that my it’s likely my lifts at a meet will not be the same as my gym lifts. Nevertheless, I still plan on getting my squat way up before the meet in july.
Thanks again for the help. I’ll probably be hanging around this section more, absorbing knowledge and chiming in when I feel I can contribute.[/quote]
That’s cool. The important thing is to have a plan, pick a meet and roll with it.
Looks like you are on your way. You might want to consider attending a meet in the meantime so you can get a feel for how it works.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
John S. wrote:
Before competing even crosses your mind, your squat should increase at least 150lbs.
Not only is your advice fucking stupid but it really just come across as degrading. Those are limits you have set in your life, wrong headed as they are, and you really shouldn’t be asserting them on other people.
I remembered you from the z-suit post and went back to look at what pearls of wisdom you offered there.
Interestingly, you stated you “do 415” and aren’t even considering a suit. The only conclusion I can come to based on this is you have never done a meet as your stated squat is 50#'s less than what you are recommending this guy achieve before he competes.
Bottom line, why don’t you let people here who actually compete in powerlifting offer advice on powerlifting competition?
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I do not compete right now, because my bench is low. I have competed in the past and I still see no point in going in to lose. Can you gain some experience there yes. And really you want to pull in my views of equipment all right. I have seen 13yr old put on bench shirts and squats suits, It is what makes this sport a fucking joke. Top end lifters who have put there time in under raw, Have built up amazing raw strength have every right to then put on the gear.
Now looking at my experience in local comps, a 1300lb total would place him in the top 3 easily.
Want to make any more blanket statements when you know nothing about me?
Want to make any more blanket statements when you know nothing about me?
Sure. Apparently you don’t follow your own advice.
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No, I am speaking from my own experience on this. It’s not like I am saying never compete till you can total elite. I told him to wait 6 months or so build up his squat then start.
Find a meet (seems like you have), lift in it and you’ll start the process of getting stronger quicker than if you hadn’t! You’ll certanly loose, so what! Believe me you’ll get loads of support and great advice at your 1st meet.
Just make sure you read the rule books and what you need to do to get your lifts passed.
I don’t think being last at a local meet by a 600lbs margin would be better than not competing. Would you tell someone, first day in the gym, to enter a meet? It’s not that hard to place middle of the pack at a local meet. The OP has the numbers for that right now.
This guy’s lifts don’t resemble those of someone who is on their first day in the gym.
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No, I am speaking from my own experience on this. It’s not like I am saying never compete till you can total elite. I told him to wait 6 months or so build up his squat then start.[/quote]
So you have a lot of experience getting your ass kicked at meets?
No, you really didn’t. You omitted the part about waiting 6 months.
If you have a program that can put 150#'s on somebodys squat in 6 months, let’s hear it. If it works you will be a hero on the strength training world.
I don’t think being last at a local meet by a 600lbs margin would be better than not competing. Would you tell someone, first day in the gym, to enter a meet? It’s not that hard to place middle of the pack at a local meet. The OP has the numbers for that right now.
This guy’s lifts don’t resemble those of someone who is on their first day in the gym.
No, I am speaking from my own experience on this. It’s not like I am saying never compete till you can total elite. I told him to wait 6 months or so build up his squat then start.
So you have a lot of experience getting your ass kicked at meets?
No, you really didn’t. You omitted the part about waiting 6 months.
If you have a program that can put 150#'s on somebodys squat in 6 months, let’s hear it. If it works you will be a hero on the strength training world.
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I do have experience getting my ass kicked in meets, My bench is where I got killed at so that is why I am training that.
And The reason I say he could put 150lbs on to his current squat is this. He just came off an injury, He himself admits getting to 400lbs would be easy. I just came off an injury and my squat went from 330-415 in 2 months. In this past month I was doing rep work, two days ago I tested it again and did a double with 425. In 4 months I really don’t see it as some unbelieveable goal to add 65lbs to the squat.
And The reason I say he could put 150lbs on to his current squat is this. He just came off an injury, He himself admits getting to 400lbs would be easy. I just came off an injury and my squat went from 330-415 in 2 months. In this past month I was doing rep work, two days ago I tested it again and did a double with 425. In 4 months I really don’t see it as some unbelieveable goal to add 65lbs to the squat.[/quote]
Benching is gay. It’s the nap between the squat and the deadlift. Who cares how much you can bench?
Dude, you are back pedaling big time. You posted a single sentence telling him to put, “at least 150#'s on his squat.” You had no information about his injury or anything else. You are now using that to justify your botched abortion of a post.
Let’s do some simple math. 4 does not equal 6. Stay with me here. 65 does not equal 150.
I don’t understand why you are throwing in this whole injury thing. It’s largely irrelevant as the topic at hand was how can this guy find a meet and does he need to be on a team. He was looking for advice on how to get started and instead of being helpful you chose to tell him toput 150#'s on his squat before he even considers it.
