His proposed split hits his biceps and triceps on Day 1.[/quote]
No, his split does chest and back on day one and then has him taking a day off right afterwards. You act like no one can recover from a back work out in two days enough to train biceps? You really believe this?
I mean, I could see if I had 15" arms and was telling you this, but some of you would never walk up to someone with big arms and tell them they are training wrong…yet we get that here every single day.
I very often train biceps two days after back or where ever else it falls in at. I bet you worry about “overtraining” as well.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Polish Rifle wrote:
talon2nr7588 wrote:
Day 1: Chest/Back
Day 2: Recovery
Day 3: Biceps/Triceps
Day 4: Quads/Hamstrings/calves/gluts
Day 5: Recovery
Day 6: Anterior and lateral delts/Rear delts
Day 7: Recovery
I agree with Ponce De Leon.
I never understood why someone would devote an entire day to training arms.
Gee, I do it all of the time. It is easily understood when your fucking arms grow from it.
and because if done otherwise it would take an additional 45 minutes? i dont know about you there Ponce but if im training chest with 4 exercises of 3-4 sets that doesnt leave me a lot of room for doing another 2 exercirses of 3-4 for biceps or triceps.
plus if my aim is to bring up every muscle as much as i can wouldnt it make more sense to train each muscle with as much focus as possible? i mean this is the bodybuilding section not the Chad Waterbury total-body-indirect-arm-work section, right?
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I always thought it was called “The Chad Waterbury Bodybuilers are useless sacks of skin and not worth the air they breathe” section.
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
I can understand an arm day, but a lateral/anterior/rear delt day?[/quote]
I’m glad somebody said something about this becuase I have been doing rear and side delts on one day as well lately. I started doing this because I suck at stimulating the rear delts so fucking bad that I just keep doing set after set trying to get a pump. I know I am obviously doing something wrong but I figure if I really watn to learn how to do them theonly way is pracice.
I also train my arms 2 days after my back session and feel just fine and fully recovered in the biceps in time for it. Maybe its because I actually use my back muscles more than my biceps on my back workouts? My biceps are usually not sore at all following a back workout - but my back sure as hell is.
No, his split does chest and back on day one and then has him taking a day off right afterwards. You act like no one can recover from a back work out in two days enough to train biceps? You really believe this?
I mean, I could see if I had 15" arms and was telling you this, but some of you would never walk up to someone with big arms and tell them they are training wrong…yet we get that here every single day.
I very often train biceps two days after back or where ever else it falls in at. I bet you worry about “overtraining” as well.[/quote]
I certainly see your point X, and I don’t think I’ve ever come anywhere close to “overtraining.” I won’t even approach that topic, as I agree that people throw around that term far too loosely. I’ve seen your thoughts on that subject a number of times and believe the same.
I’m sure most people would say I’m overtraing with the program I’m currently on. It’s been physically abusive, but by no means is it causing a state of overtraining.
Back on topic. I understand that your level of experience is far greater than the majority of forum members. My references were based on watching the Average Joe in the weightroom. You know the guy that walks in, and proceeds to do supersets of curls for 45 minutes, throws in a few tricep pushdowns, and leaves?
Do you believe a beginner would have the same benefits of a devoted “arm day,” as an advanced lifter?
[quote]josh86 wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
I can understand an arm day, but a lateral/anterior/rear delt day?
I don’t know why he called it that instead of just calling it “delts” or “shoulders” day. Because…
Anterior = Front delt
Lateral = Medial delt
Rear = Posterior delt
Basically, its his entire shoulders day…lol[/quote]
Yeah, I understand that. I do shoulders on arm day. I feel my shoulders do enough work on other pressing and pulling movements that they don’t need much direct work at this point. Also, my shoulders burn out quickly, so after a few exercises I’m just beating a dead horse.
I would give every other major body part it’s own day before shoulders. That’s just me though.
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
josh86 wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
I can understand an arm day, but a lateral/anterior/rear delt day?
I don’t know why he called it that instead of just calling it “delts” or “shoulders” day. Because…
Anterior = Front delt
Lateral = Medial delt
Rear = Posterior delt
Basically, its his entire shoulders day…lol
Yeah, I understand that. I do shoulders on arm day. I feel my shoulders do enough work on other pressing and pulling movements that they don’t need much direct work at this point. Also, my shoulders burn out quickly, so after a few exercises I’m just beating a dead horse.
I would give every other major body part it’s own day before shoulders. That’s just me though.[/quote]
That may very well be just you or maybe the style of training you do, you may be shoulder dominant on the bench press, etc…I personally like to have a day dedicated to shoulders/traps. I like to do 1 exercise for the anterior delts, 2 for the medial head (the medial head can never be too well developed and doesn’t get stimulated much through other exercises), 1 for posterior and 1 for traps.
His proposed split hits his biceps and triceps on Day 1.
No, his split does chest and back on day one and then has him taking a day off right afterwards. You act like no one can recover from a back work out in two days enough to train biceps? You really believe this?
I mean, I could see if I had 15" arms and was telling you this, but some of you would never walk up to someone with big arms and tell them they are training wrong…yet we get that here every single day.
I very often train biceps two days after back or where ever else it falls in at. I bet you worry about “overtraining” as well.[/quote]
i agree. yesterday i trained my back and it just so happens that i trained biceps 2 days before that. no problems at all. as a matter of fact i increased the weight on all back exercises.
ok so i switched it up this is what im going with.
Day 1: Chest/bicep
Day 2: Recovery
Day 3: back/Triceps
Day 4: shoulders/traps and abdominals
Day 5: Recovery
Day 6: Quads/Hamstrings/calves/gluts
Day 7: Recovery
for shoulder day this is what i have going so far
Deltoids- military press, Arnold press, lateral raises, machine rear delt, barbell shrugs.
in that order.
i NEVER do any abdominal work! what exercises/sets do you guys use?
[quote]talon2nr7588 wrote:
heres my set up for legs and shoulders
3)Quads/Hams/Gluts/calves- Olympic back squat, Romanian dead lift, leg press, leg extension, leg curl, calve raises
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I don’t have 42.5 inch quads like Prof X, but isn’t leg pressing a little redundant after back squats? If you’re giving it you’re full effort in the rack, I don’t think you’ll need the leg presses.
[quote]JCS19Y wrote:
talon2nr7588 wrote:
heres my set up for legs and shoulders
3)Quads/Hams/Gluts/calves- Olympic back squat, Romanian dead lift, leg press, leg extension, leg curl, calve raises
I don’t have 42.5 inch quads like Prof X, but isn’t leg pressing a little redundant after back squats? If you’re giving it you’re full effort in the rack, I don’t think you’ll need the leg presses.[/quote]
I leg press after squats, and so do many other people.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
JCS19Y wrote:
talon2nr7588 wrote:
heres my set up for legs and shoulders
3)Quads/Hams/Gluts/calves- Olympic back squat, Romanian dead lift, leg press, leg extension, leg curl, calve raises
I don’t have 42.5 inch quads like Prof X, but isn’t leg pressing a little redundant after back squats? If you’re giving it you’re full effort in the rack, I don’t think you’ll need the leg presses.
I leg press after squats, and so do many other people.[/quote]
Shit, so do MOST people with big quads at least at some point.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Polish Rifle wrote:
talon2nr7588 wrote:
Day 1: Chest/Back
Day 2: Recovery
Day 3: Biceps/Triceps
Day 4: Quads/Hamstrings/calves/gluts
Day 5: Recovery
Day 6: Anterior and lateral delts/Rear delts
Day 7: Recovery
I agree with Ponce De Leon.
I never understood why someone would devote an entire day to training arms.
Gee, I do it all of the time. It is easily understood when your fucking arms grow from it.[/quote]
Thats just crazy talk know one wants big arms.(sarcasm)
I just know you tend to dismiss people’s suggestions if they are smaller than you. I’m smaller than you. Suggestion dismissed.
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I dismiss people’s suggestions if they are wrong. Your suggestion was wrong. People have been doing squats followed by leg presses or hack squats since before Arnold but now we shouldn’t? Because you can’t?
Your actual size is not the basis for which validity is placed on your claims. Experience is. If you were smaller but trained several larger bodybuilders to GET as large as they are, then your opinion is very valuable.
If, however, you are someone who has little experience and are making statements that more experience lifters know to be incorrect, why do you think we should ignore this?
