Lol! As if you’re the only one so situated in life. Come back down to earth with the rest of us DB.
And have a good Thursday.
It’s Friday, but thanks anyway
Hello @dbossa by watching some of your videos has come to my attention that you seem to have some degree of gyno, am i right, maybe from not taking any antiestrogen medication perhaps??
He has C cups but is going for D 
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I guess you haven’t watched enough lol
I’ve discussed this in probably 10 videos. Here’s one:
I developed mild gyno over 20 years ago, long before TRT. My E2 was at 12 when I finally had it checked so clearly it wasn’t caused by estrogen. It was most likely caused by an androgen deficiency. Once I got on TRT I was taking an AI and there was no improvement. Once I raised T levels further and STOPPED the AI the gyno was cut down by over half and is smaller now than it has ever been.
I don’t think he understood your sarcasm lol
What sarcasm?
(Ok jk)
Danny I’m not trying to be a smart ass here, but when you said this I had to reply.
You are FULL of opinions brother. We all are. Nothing about TRT can be taken as PROVEN SCIENTIFIC FACT. In order to do that, the theory (any theory) would have to be indisputably proven time and again on EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL (because every one of us are different and there will be that occasional outlier).
We can’t do that. You offer advice based on what you see in your world, and brother it’s always damn good advice. But every time you tell someone something, there is always a chance that it won’t work on that one specific individual. This anomaly will always bring your “proven fact”, no matter how sound it is on the “general masses”, back into the realm of theory, and therefore…opinion.
Think about it brother…if it were indeed “proven fact”, that could not be disputed in any way, don’t you think that every doctor that practiced in this field would have to either concede and adopt the protocol theorem that you outline, or shut down their practice?
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I’ll clarify.
The methods being used are working well on 99.99% of their patients. There are ALWAYS outliers. Those outliers need to be addressed in a different way and they have developed strategies to address them. They don’t have anyone on an AI. Their doses will differ across the board. Methods of administration will differ across the board. The mindset is the same regardless. When the end result can be demonstrated over and over it is no longer opinion. If I decide to wake up tomorrow morning and disagree with their methods, their end result will continue to demonstrated regardless and my new ‘opinion’ means nothing.
I can’t stand having an opinion. An opinion means I don’t know what the correct answer is and I will take an educated guess. I don’t want to guess. I don’t want an opinion. I want the correct answer.
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100% agreed, and I’m the same way, but there are some things that we just don’t have capacity, or ability to test on the necessary scale to take out of the world of theory. Einstein taught us that. In a perfect world we could but that’s not the case.
99.9% sounds like a lot. But really look at that. That’s 99.9% of those that YOU and the docs that you support have encountered. Now factor in the that 100% of that number actually only represents around 0.05% of the ENTIRE TRT population. See what I’m saying?
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Yes, I understand what you are saying, which is why I stated they have developed strategies for the 0.05% who are considered outliers. Methods regarding how to approach them in terms of strategies etc. That’s good enough for me.
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@dbossa
I appreciate you realising I said that tongue in cheek.
I’m 100% self taught, and that’s only been possible through the time and passion of a couple guy on here who have the knowledge, experience, and willingness to educate others.
I’ve been in the no AI camp for 7 months give or take, and honestly have never felt better.
I’ve never felt the need to join in conversations, as I only have my own personal experience to go by, I’ve got no evidence to back it up. Although in all honesty… if it works for me, that’s my main concern.
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Now you have evidence to back it up. Just the references to the ‘Estradiol as a Male Hormone’ are worth their weight in gold.
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@dbossa is providing the most accurate information in my opinion. I have read countless testosterone supplementation studies that used doses of up to 600mg/week for up to 16 weeks, and the most serious adverse effect that has been reported is acne. These studies are required to report all adverse effects, and none have mentioned gyno or edema, or anything else other than the aforementioned acne.
Google “testosterone 600 mg scholarly articles“ and see for yourself.
Having said all that, when I up my TC dose soon (as soon as I get my body fat down), I plan on having tamoxifen on hand, because I am just as terrified of gyno as the next guy lol.
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Hahaha. I like you
In what ways Do you feel better?
He’s our favorite serial killer
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Best lats on a serial killer ever.
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The main thing in my experience was when using AI, I was constantly chasing my tail through highs and lows. Once i stopped, and allowed my body to settle down, it seemed to balance out…
I was an emotional wreak at times when using AI, which I now believe was caused by me crashing my levels, then waiting for them to balance out, then crash them again…
I’m on e3d, and honestly, if i miss a day and it goes to 4 days, I barely notice it. I’ve discussed this with others off the forum, and it seems I may be unique in this, but that’s just my experience.
I’m actually going in for bloods, but I’m 3 months over due, because I’ve been holding off due to all this covid stuff going on. The bloods where to suss out a headache issue but thankfully it seems to have sorted itself out. I’m now leaning towards it being and issues with my training, as they disappeared at the start of lock down when I stopped training because the gyms closed.
I’m interested to see the bloods though as I haven’t checked any of my levels since I stopped taking an AI.
I think people are to quick to assume high testosterone is good, high estrogen is bad, but I’m of the option that once test is higher than “normal” ie pre trt, then E will raise as well…
Cheers, Tim