[quote]Gaea wrote:
I was a member when they just had a cartoon of TC on the home page, and there was no Biotest store on line.[/quote]
You are again “remembering” that which does not exist.
The online store was there from the very beginning:
http://web.archive.org/web/19990922162136/www.Biotest-online.com/ORDERS/
Is there some serious moderation going on in this forum? Because I am completely fucking lost.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Nicky_Boy28 wrote:
I might have missed a whole fuckin’ lot but who the hell is Gaea and who’s running a T-Nation bashing site? Anyone care to fill us in on this?
My above post regarding HFCS should give you the basic idea. However it left out that the same crew was also foaming at the mouth over I, Bodybuilder and was indirectly (but not very much so) accusing CT of being on anabolic steroids, citing something they call Butt’s Ceiling as supposed proof that he could not be the size he is without steroids.
It is a group that pleasures themselves with printouts of Pubmed abstracts and has a real dislike for anyone achieving more in the gym than they do or than what they have abstracts (brief summaries of scientific or medical articles) to prove as having already happened.
That pretty much sums it up.
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Oh ok, I thought people were hearing voices or something. I think I understand better what is going on in this thread.
Dude Gaya,
If you don’t like it, leave. No one here is stopping you.
Your desperation is pathetic.
[quote]Gaea wrote:
Are you still playing dentist for the military?
I see you are on your third avatar…at least. I think I liked the one from the X-men best.
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You assfaces need to get better at trolling X too. At least come up with some shit we haven’t read 4,000 times. God you people seriously are all brain washed to believe the same shit aren’t you?
Like a bunch of scientoligists.
so when is this coming out?
[quote]Gaea wrote:
SBT wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Gaea wrote:
Just the fact that Gaea claims to have been a member before she could have ever been a member is enough shit to prove a troll crapped here.
I was a member when they just had a cartoon of TC on the home page, and there was no Biotest store on line. I remember Myalgistat.[/quote]
Pff, I was a member when we had to submit our posts to the forum via pony express.
[quote]Efuchs7 wrote:
so when is this coming out?[/quote]
2012
[quote]Gaea wrote:
TC wrote:
Gaea wrote:
TC wrote:
Gaea wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Gaea wrote:
Oooohh… Guess you guys were a little slow on the draw.
Censorship at its best.
Seriously man?
Why should anyone listen to your opinion when you come from a community of people that insults most of the people here?
None of us really care to hear the “I’m gonna save the world from evil T-Nation” bullshit anymore. It’s getting quite old, and you guys are starting to embarrass yourselves with your obsession with this site.
Because, I suppose it is claims like this that bring the FDA down on supplement companies. If Nike claimed they had a shoe that could make you run a mile in less than a minute, how would you respond to that?
What community am I from?
I was a member of this site BEFORE they started their supplement company. (Which by the way convienently has the same name as a pharmacuetical company - I guess this would make them look like they actually produce what they sell).
BTW, I’m not a man.
This is TC, Tim’s partner at Biotest since we started in 1998.
First of all, the pharmaceutical company known as Biotest was started in 2007, nine years after we started the supplement company known as Biotest.
Secondly, there was no site before we started a supplement company.
Both Testosterone and Biotest were launched at the same time. Our sole product back then was TRIBEX 500.
In response to TC-
From the Biotest Pharmaceutical website:
Biotest has been successfully operating in North America for over 20 years and has built a reputation for quality products and exceptional customer service.
We are a wholly owned subsidiary of Biotest AG, our German parent company located in Frankfurt. The parent organization was established in 1946 by Dr Carl A. Schleussner and his son Hans. Influenced by the findings of Karl Landsteiner (1868-1943), they initially concentrated their research efforts on blood group serology. In 1948, Biotest introduced the first test serum for Anti-D, the first product in the world for the determination of the Rhesus factor. The company has since moved on to develop even greater customer solutions.
There ya go. A little google goes a long way.
I still don’t understand the community question. I belong to no’community’.
I think what you forum readers should be more concerned about it why there are no links. Why any post stating less than stellar reviews or comments is deleted or edited. That should be the real question. Not what ‘community’ I’m from. You’re starting to sound paranoid. A real scientist would face his detractors and not heavily moderate this site so no negative reviews would not get through.
I challenge you to provide me with one recent peer reviewed scientifc journal that supports your claims of 27 pounds of lean muscle gain in six weeks in an elite athlete who is not in a fasted or detrained state. That is all I ask. I shall await your response.
I just Googled Biotest Pharmaceuticals and this is what I read:
“Biotest Pharmaceuticals Corporation, headquartered in Boca Raton, Fla., was formed in 2007 as part of the Biotest AG acquisition of the Nabi Biopharmaceuticals Biologics business unit. Biotest Pharmaceuticals researches and manufactures biotherapeutic products specializing in immunology and liver transplant therapy.”
Now, there is also, apparently, a Biotest Laboratories, Inc, that does the following things:
Contract Manufacturing
Packaging/Assembly
Contract Steam Sterilization
Cleanroom/Cleanbench Testing and Certification
Validation Services
Microbial Management (Evariology)
Training and Consulting Services
Nevertheless, they ain’t us.
If you’d like to believe that we’re in some way associated with them, or that we took their name to fool people, that’s your prerogative.
As far as furnishing a peer reviewed journal article “supporting” the “claims” in the I, Bodybuilder article, that doesn’t make sense.
It’s not a label claim; it’s just something we observed when testing the I, Bodybuilder training system and supplement plan with a few individuals.
You’re fully entitled to harbor doubts. I’d only ask that you and your fellow conspiracy buffs reserve at least some judgement until the program is revealed.
I guess your answer is no.[/quote]
You are correct Gaea. His answer is no. He does not have any peer-reviewed studies to show that such results occurred. But wait! Do you have any peer-reviewed studies to show that you, as an entity, exist??? Do I have any studies to show that I exist??? Do I have any studies to show that studies exist??? Oh shit. I don’t even know what to believe anymore…
[quote]donovanbrambila wrote:
You are correct Gaea. His answer is no. He does not have any peer-reviewed studies to show that such results occurred. But wait! Do you have any peer-reviewed studies to show that you, as an entity, exist??? Do I have any studies to show that I exist??? Do I have any studies to show that studies exist??? Oh shit. I don’t even know what to believe anymore…[/quote]
Nicely said.
[quote]Elaikases wrote:
donovanbrambila wrote:
Gaea wrote:
I challenge you to provide me with one recent peer reviewed scientifc journal that supports your claims of 27 pounds of lean muscle gain in six weeks in an elite athlete who is not in a fasted or detrained state. That is all I ask. I shall await your response.
You are correct Gaea. His answer is no. He does not have any peer-reviewed studies to show that such results occurred. But wait! Do you have any peer-reviewed studies to show that you, as an entity, exist??? Do I have any studies to show that I exist??? Do I have any studies to show that studies exist??? Oh shit. I don’t even know what to believe anymore…
Nicely said.[/quote]
I would post a pic of them “pleasuring themselves” while staring glassy-eyed through their thick glasses at Pubmed abstracts, but really it’s one of those things that has one saying, Oh man, that is just not right.
[quote]Gaea wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Gaea wrote:
In response to TC-
From the Biotest Pharmaceutical website:
I just googled them as well and that company was formed in 2007. Why is your info so different than what I read?
I challenge you to provide me with one recent peer reviewed scientifc journal that supports your claims of 27 pounds of lean muscle gain in six weeks in an elite athlete who is not in a fasted or detrained state. That is all I ask. I shall await your response.
Wait, how many peer reviewed scientific researchers are even testing just how much muscle genetically above average individuals can gain in optimal conditions? There is research going on now on Olympic athletes who are trying to be pro bodybuilders?
Really?
What exactly is your own educational background that you think like this?
I’d post a link, but they probably won’t let me. Let’s see:
http://www.biotestusa.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5&Itemid=55
I find it curious that you ask about my background, while in your quest to validate TC’s position, you completely miss my point.
Are you still playing dentist for the military?
I see you are on your third avatar…at least. I think I liked the one from the X-men best.
[/quote]Your link is to Biotest Diagnostics Corporation, not “Biotest Pharmaceutical website” as you claimed.
Their products are in 3 categories:
Transplant Diagnostics
Microbiology
Transfusion Diagnostics
No pharmaceuticals.
If you can’t even get this right, that bodes poorly for your other statements.
You can’t even
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Second, there are very few studies done on weight lifters at all, let alone those with the specific goal of simply trying to gain as much muscle as humanly possible. Most of medical science seems to act as if bodybuilders don’t even exist…yet these people are basing every idea they have on “studies”???[/quote]His is the fallacious argument “Moving The Goalposts (Raising The Bar, Argument By Demanding Impossible Perfection)”, defined as:
He sets an impossible to meet standard, then claims ‘victory’ when it isn’t met, hoping that none will recognize it’s a fallacious argument, which causes him to forfeit the argument.
[quote]Efuchs7 wrote:
so when is this coming out?[/quote]
I see what you did there…
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Elaikases wrote:
donovanbrambila wrote:
Gaea wrote:
I challenge you to provide me with one recent peer reviewed scientifc journal that supports your claims of 27 pounds of lean muscle gain in six weeks in an elite athlete who is not in a fasted or detrained state. That is all I ask. I shall await your response.
You are correct Gaea. His answer is no. He does not have any peer-reviewed studies to show that such results occurred. But wait! Do you have any peer-reviewed studies to show that you, as an entity, exist??? Do I have any studies to show that I exist??? Do I have any studies to show that studies exist??? Oh shit. I don’t even know what to believe anymore…
Nicely said.
I would post a pic of them “pleasuring themselves” while staring glassy-eyed through their thick glasses at Pubmed abstracts, but really it’s one of those things that has one saying, Oh man, that is just not right.[/quote]
What is with some people’s infatuation with “peer-reviewed studies”? Of course they are important for the entire process of the scientific method but why do people seem to live and die by them as if anything that isn’t backed by one must not exist?
Do they even realize what it takes to get a proper study set-up, not to mention the length of time to run it and then to have it published? What will they do with the time in between publishing of studies?
and still no I,Bodybuilder
how hard is it to write a program with what is quite apparent to be fake or rather inflated results, I’ll tell you what the issue is they are waiting to build up their Anaconda inventory cuz they don’t wanna be caught on the wrong foot as many idiots will be believing what the FDA called the overhyped statements boasted by Biotest
I still think T-Nation is the best muscle site online but some times the gimmicks are just too obvious
[quote]Elaikases wrote:
donovanbrambila wrote:
You are correct Gaea. His answer is no. He does not have any peer-reviewed studies to show that such results occurred. But wait! Do you have any peer-reviewed studies to show that you, as an entity, exist??? Do I have any studies to show that I exist??? Do I have any studies to show that studies exist??? Oh shit. I don’t even know what to believe anymore…
Nicely said.
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I just had to write an abstract and lit review for a philosophy research paper. I was feeling analytic.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Elaikases wrote:
donovanbrambila wrote:
Gaea wrote:
I challenge you to provide me with one recent peer reviewed scientifc journal that supports your claims of 27 pounds of lean muscle gain in six weeks in an elite athlete who is not in a fasted or detrained state. That is all I ask. I shall await your response.
You are correct Gaea. His answer is no. He does not have any peer-reviewed studies to show that such results occurred. But wait! Do you have any peer-reviewed studies to show that you, as an entity, exist??? Do I have any studies to show that I exist??? Do I have any studies to show that studies exist??? Oh shit. I don’t even know what to believe anymore…
Nicely said.
I would post a pic of them “pleasuring themselves” while staring glassy-eyed through their thick glasses at Pubmed abstracts, but really it’s one of those things that has one saying, Oh man, that is just not right.[/quote]
Well Bill, studies have shown that wearing glasses while engaging in said pleasure works better than chocolate milk. So, maybe it is right.
[quote]Rugger84 wrote:
and still no I,Bodybuilder
how hard is it to write a program with what is quite apparent to be fake or rather inflated results, I’ll tell you what the issue is they are waiting to build up their Anaconda inventory cuz they don’t wanna be caught on the wrong foot as many idiots will be believing what the FDA called the overhyped statements boasted by Biotest
I still think T-Nation is the best muscle site online but some times the gimmicks are just too obvious[/quote]
I’m sure one of the big hold ups is the video editing. If you’ve ever had to edit exercise videos or any vid for that matter it can be a daunting task. Add on the fact that they used 3 cameras and that can be a real bitch.
Its more about the rep than the program anyway.