[quote]Kerley wrote:
bozbot wrote:
so when is I, BODYBUILDER coming out?
is that a joke, or are you retarded?[/quote]
I think he was just trying to lighten up the mood.
I doubt anybody could be THAT retarded…but then again, the world is full of surprises.
[quote]TC wrote:
Gaea wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Gaea wrote:
Oooohh… Guess you guys were a little slow on the draw.
Censorship at its best.
Seriously man?
Why should anyone listen to your opinion when you come from a community of people that insults most of the people here?
None of us really care to hear the “I’m gonna save the world from evil T-Nation” bullshit anymore. It’s getting quite old, and you guys are starting to embarrass yourselves with your obsession with this site.
Because, I suppose it is claims like this that bring the FDA down on supplement companies. If Nike claimed they had a shoe that could make you run a mile in less than a minute, how would you respond to that?
What community am I from?
I was a member of this site BEFORE they started their supplement company. (Which by the way convienently has the same name as a pharmacuetical company - I guess this would make them look like they actually produce what they sell).
BTW, I’m not a man.
This is TC, Tim’s partner at Biotest since we started in 1998.
First of all, the pharmaceutical company known as Biotest was started in 2007, nine years after we started the supplement company known as Biotest.
Secondly, there was no site before we started a supplement company.
Both Testosterone and Biotest were launched at the same time. Our sole product back then was TRIBEX 500.
[/quote]
There is no burn greater than this.
Well, the X vs Oogie was close, but this single post by the Great TC unmade the gay-ea.
Fatality. TC Wins.
[quote]bozbot wrote:
so when is I, BODYBUILDER coming out?[/quote]
Next Tuesday
You guys with blue balls have no idea how long they’ve been cooking ANACONDA. The original teasers were dated before I started logging on to this site.
[quote]TC wrote:
Gaea wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Gaea wrote:
Oooohh… Guess you guys were a little slow on the draw.
Censorship at its best.
Seriously man?
Why should anyone listen to your opinion when you come from a community of people that insults most of the people here?
None of us really care to hear the “I’m gonna save the world from evil T-Nation” bullshit anymore. It’s getting quite old, and you guys are starting to embarrass yourselves with your obsession with this site.
Because, I suppose it is claims like this that bring the FDA down on supplement companies. If Nike claimed they had a shoe that could make you run a mile in less than a minute, how would you respond to that?
What community am I from?
I was a member of this site BEFORE they started their supplement company. (Which by the way convienently has the same name as a pharmacuetical company - I guess this would make them look like they actually produce what they sell).
BTW, I’m not a man.
This is TC, Tim’s partner at Biotest since we started in 1998.
First of all, the pharmaceutical company known as Biotest was started in 2007, nine years after we started the supplement company known as Biotest.
Secondly, there was no site before we started a supplement company.
Both Testosterone and Biotest were launched at the same time. Our sole product back then was TRIBEX 500.
[/quote]
I might have missed a whole fuckin’ lot but who the hell is Gaea and who’s running a T-Nation bashing site? Anyone care to fill us in on this?
BTW…Nice post, TC!
[quote]pzehtoeur wrote:
Kerley wrote:
bozbot wrote:
so when is I, BODYBUILDER coming out?
is that a joke, or are you retarded?
I think he was just trying to lighten up the mood.
I doubt anybody could be THAT retarded…but then again, the world is full of surprises. [/quote]
lets give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume he was trying to lighten the mood.
[quote]Nicky_Boy28 wrote:
I might have missed a whole fuckin’ lot but who the hell is Gaea and who’s running a T-Nation bashing site? Anyone care to fill us in on this?
[/quote]
My above post regarding HFCS should give you the basic idea. However it left out that the same crew was also foaming at the mouth over I, Bodybuilder and was indirectly (but not very much so) accusing CT of being on anabolic steroids, citing something they call Butt’s Ceiling as supposed proof that he could not be the size he is without steroids.
It is a group that pleasures themselves with printouts of Pubmed abstracts and has a real dislike for anyone achieving more in the gym than they do or than what they have abstracts (brief summaries of scientific or medical articles) to prove as having already happened.
That pretty much sums it up.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Nicky_Boy28 wrote:
I might have missed a whole fuckin’ lot but who the hell is Gaea and who’s running a T-Nation bashing site? Anyone care to fill us in on this?
My above post regarding HFCS should give you the basic idea. However it left out that the same crew was also foaming at the mouth over I, Bodybuilder and was indirectly (but not very much so) accusing CT of being on anabolic steroids, citing something they call Butt’s Ceiling[/quote] You mean, that study/calculator thing by Casey Butt (must have had a terrible time at school, that may explain some things… Males named like female porn stars, really. His parents must have hated him…) ?[quote] as supposed proof that he could not be the size he is without steroids.
It is a group that pleasures themselves with printouts of Pubmed abstracts and has a real dislike for anyone achieving more in the gym than they do or than what they have abstracts (brief summaries of scientific or medical articles) to prove as having already happened.
That pretty much sums it up.
[/quote]
C’mon, post a link 
[quote]TC wrote:
Gaea wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Gaea wrote:
Oooohh… Guess you guys were a little slow on the draw.
Censorship at its best.
Seriously man?
Why should anyone listen to your opinion when you come from a community of people that insults most of the people here?
None of us really care to hear the “I’m gonna save the world from evil T-Nation” bullshit anymore. It’s getting quite old, and you guys are starting to embarrass yourselves with your obsession with this site.
Because, I suppose it is claims like this that bring the FDA down on supplement companies. If Nike claimed they had a shoe that could make you run a mile in less than a minute, how would you respond to that?
What community am I from?
I was a member of this site BEFORE they started their supplement company. (Which by the way convienently has the same name as a pharmacuetical company - I guess this would make them look like they actually produce what they sell).
BTW, I’m not a man.
This is TC, Tim’s partner at Biotest since we started in 1998.
First of all, the pharmaceutical company known as Biotest was started in 2007, nine years after we started the supplement company known as Biotest.
Secondly, there was no site before we started a supplement company.
Both Testosterone and Biotest were launched at the same time. Our sole product back then was TRIBEX 500.
[/quote]
In response to TC-
From the Biotest Pharmaceutical website:
Biotest has been successfully operating in North America for over 20 years and has built a reputation for quality products and exceptional customer service.
We are a wholly owned subsidiary of Biotest AG, our German parent company located in Frankfurt. The parent organization was established in 1946 by Dr Carl A. Schleussner and his son Hans. Influenced by the findings of Karl Landsteiner (1868-1943), they initially concentrated their research efforts on blood group serology. In 1948, Biotest introduced the first test serum for Anti-D, the first product in the world for the determination of the Rhesus factor. The company has since moved on to develop even greater customer solutions.
There ya go. A little google goes a long way.
I still don’t understand the community question. I belong to no’community’.
I think what you forum readers should be more concerned about it why there are no links. Why any post stating less than stellar reviews or comments is deleted or edited. That should be the real question. Not what ‘community’ I’m from. You’re starting to sound paranoid. A real scientist would face his detractors and not heavily moderate this site so no negative reviews would not get through.
I challenge you to provide me with one recent peer reviewed scientifc journal that supports your claims of 27 pounds of lean muscle gain in six weeks in an elite athlete who is not in a fasted or detrained state. That is all I ask. I shall await your response.
[quote]Gaea wrote:
TC wrote:
Gaea wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Gaea wrote:
Oooohh… Guess you guys were a little slow on the draw.
Censorship at its best.
Seriously man?
Why should anyone listen to your opinion when you come from a community of people that insults most of the people here?
None of us really care to hear the “I’m gonna save the world from evil T-Nation” bullshit anymore. It’s getting quite old, and you guys are starting to embarrass yourselves with your obsession with this site.
Because, I suppose it is claims like this that bring the FDA down on supplement companies. If Nike claimed they had a shoe that could make you run a mile in less than a minute, how would you respond to that?
What community am I from?
I was a member of this site BEFORE they started their supplement company. (Which by the way convienently has the same name as a pharmacuetical company - I guess this would make them look like they actually produce what they sell).
BTW, I’m not a man.
This is TC, Tim’s partner at Biotest since we started in 1998.
First of all, the pharmaceutical company known as Biotest was started in 2007, nine years after we started the supplement company known as Biotest.
Secondly, there was no site before we started a supplement company.
Both Testosterone and Biotest were launched at the same time. Our sole product back then was TRIBEX 500.
In response to TC-
From the Biotest Pharmaceutical website:
Biotest has been successfully operating in North America for over 20 years and has built a reputation for quality products and exceptional customer service.
We are a wholly owned subsidiary of Biotest AG, our German parent company located in Frankfurt. The parent organization was established in 1946 by Dr Carl A. Schleussner and his son Hans. Influenced by the findings of Karl Landsteiner (1868-1943), they initially concentrated their research efforts on blood group serology. In 1948, Biotest introduced the first test serum for Anti-D, the first product in the world for the determination of the Rhesus factor. The company has since moved on to develop even greater customer solutions.
There ya go. A little google goes a long way.
I still don’t understand the community question. I belong to no’community’.
I think what you forum readers should be more concerned about it why there are no links. Why any post stating less than stellar reviews or comments is deleted or edited. That should be the real question. Not what ‘community’ I’m from. You’re starting to sound paranoid. A real scientist would face his detractors and not heavily moderate this site so no negative reviews would not get through.
I challenge you to provide me with one recent peer reviewed scientifc journal that supports your claims of 27 pounds of lean muscle gain in six weeks in an elite athlete who is not in a fasted or detrained state. That is all I ask. I shall await your response.[/quote]
I just Googled Biotest Pharmaceuticals and this is what I read:
“Biotest Pharmaceuticals Corporation, headquartered in Boca Raton, Fla., was formed in 2007 as part of the Biotest AG acquisition of the Nabi Biopharmaceuticals Biologics business unit. Biotest Pharmaceuticals researches and manufactures biotherapeutic products specializing in immunology and liver transplant therapy.”
Now, there is also, apparently, a Biotest Laboratories, Inc, that does the following things:
Contract Manufacturing
Packaging/Assembly
Contract Steam Sterilization
Cleanroom/Cleanbench Testing and Certification
Validation Services
Microbial Management (Evariology)
Training and Consulting Services
Nevertheless, they ain’t us.
If you’d like to believe that we’re in some way associated with them, or that we took their name to fool people, that’s your prerogative.
As far as furnishing a peer reviewed journal article “supporting” the “claims” in the I, Bodybuilder article, that doesn’t make sense.
It’s not a label claim; it’s just something we observed when testing the I, Bodybuilder training system and supplement plan with a few individuals.
You’re fully entitled to harbor doubts. I’d only ask that you and your fellow conspiracy buffs reserve at least some judgement until the program is revealed.
[quote]Gaea wrote:
In response to TC-
From the Biotest Pharmaceutical website:[/quote]
I just googled them as well and that company was formed in 2007. Why is your info so different than what I read?
[quote]
I challenge you to provide me with one recent peer reviewed scientifc journal that supports your claims of 27 pounds of lean muscle gain in six weeks in an elite athlete who is not in a fasted or detrained state. That is all I ask. I shall await your response.[/quote]
Wait, how many peer reviewed scientific researchers are even testing just how much muscle genetically above average individuals can gain in optimal conditions? There is research going on now on Olympic athletes who are trying to be pro bodybuilders?
Really?
What exactly is your own educational background that you think like this?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gaea wrote:
In response to TC-
From the Biotest Pharmaceutical website:
I just googled them as well and that company was formed in 2007. Why is your info so different than what I read?
I challenge you to provide me with one recent peer reviewed scientifc journal that supports your claims of 27 pounds of lean muscle gain in six weeks in an elite athlete who is not in a fasted or detrained state. That is all I ask. I shall await your response.
Wait, how many peer reviewed scientific researchers are even testing just how much muscle genetically above average individuals can gain in optimal conditions? There is research going on now on Olympic athletes who are trying to be pro bodybuilders?
Really?
What exactly is your own educational background that you think like this?[/quote]
Seriously. I mean, I met another Matthew the other day and that fucker wasn’t even me!
Just the fact that Gaea claims to have been a member before she could have ever been a member is enough shit to prove a troll crapped here.
[quote]SBT wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Gaea wrote:
In response to TC-
From the Biotest Pharmaceutical website:
I just googled them as well and that company was formed in 2007. Why is your info so different than what I read?
I challenge you to provide me with one recent peer reviewed scientifc journal that supports your claims of 27 pounds of lean muscle gain in six weeks in an elite athlete who is not in a fasted or detrained state. That is all I ask. I shall await your response.
Wait, how many peer reviewed scientific researchers are even testing just how much muscle genetically above average individuals can gain in optimal conditions? There is research going on now on Olympic athletes who are trying to be pro bodybuilders?
Really?
What exactly is your own educational background that you think like this?
Seriously. I mean, I met another Matthew the other day and that fucker wasn’t even me!
Just the fact that Gaea claims to have been a member before she could have ever been a member is enough shit to prove a troll crapped here.[/quote]
What bothers me more is that people who don’t actually understand the science here think they are so advanced that they can judge the progress of everyone else on the LIMITED number of studies even aimed at bodybuilders. It would be very difficult to even fund a study that followed several HEALTHY ABOVE AVERAGE bodybuilders around for many years as they gained as much size as they could from start to finish. First, there is no way to tell who is above average genetically before they actually build the muscle that sets them apart as such.
Second, there are very few studies done on weight lifters at all, let alone those with the specific goal of simply trying to gain as much muscle as humanly possible. Most of medical science seems to act as if bodybuilders don’t even exist…yet these people are basing every idea they have on “studies”???
Awe, too bad. I had started telling my friends that Anaconda was an urban myth.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
SBT wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Gaea wrote:
In response to TC-
From the Biotest Pharmaceutical website:
I just googled them as well and that company was formed in 2007. Why is your info so different than what I read?
I challenge you to provide me with one recent peer reviewed scientifc journal that supports your claims of 27 pounds of lean muscle gain in six weeks in an elite athlete who is not in a fasted or detrained state. That is all I ask. I shall await your response.
Wait, how many peer reviewed scientific researchers are even testing just how much muscle genetically above average individuals can gain in optimal conditions? There is research going on now on Olympic athletes who are trying to be pro bodybuilders?
Really?
What exactly is your own educational background that you think like this?
Seriously. I mean, I met another Matthew the other day and that fucker wasn’t even me!
Just the fact that Gaea claims to have been a member before she could have ever been a member is enough shit to prove a troll crapped here.
What bothers me more is that people who don’t actually understand the science here think they are so advanced that they can judge the progress of everyone else on the LIMITED number of studies even aimed at bodybuilders. It would be very difficult to even fund a study that followed several HEALTHY ABOVE AVERAGE bodybuilders around for many years as they gained as much size as they could from start to finish. First, there is no way to tell who is above average genetically before they actually build the muscle that sets them apart as such.
Second, there are very few studies done on weight lifters at all, let alone those with the specific goal of simply trying to gain as much muscle as humanly possible. Most of medical science seems to act as if bodybuilders don’t even exist…yet these people are basing every idea they have on “studies”???[/quote]
Not only that, but people have to understand what results from a group study actually means. It does not mean that results obtained by that sample are the only obtainable result. Applying group findings to any one individual is inherently flawed.
It’s like that god awful Butt Ceiling or whatever was mentioned. There will always be the far end of the bell curve.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gaea wrote:
In response to TC-
From the Biotest Pharmaceutical website:
I just googled them as well and that company was formed in 2007. Why is your info so different than what I read?
I challenge you to provide me with one recent peer reviewed scientifc journal that supports your claims of 27 pounds of lean muscle gain in six weeks in an elite athlete who is not in a fasted or detrained state. That is all I ask. I shall await your response.
Wait, how many peer reviewed scientific researchers are even testing just how much muscle genetically above average individuals can gain in optimal conditions? There is research going on now on Olympic athletes who are trying to be pro bodybuilders?
Really?
What exactly is your own educational background that you think like this?[/quote]
^^^This is sense…
Peer Reviewed papers geared towards bodybuilding are pretty hard to come by. Besides when has simple intelligent observation of ones own progress ever been replaced by ‘peer reviewed papers’ on novice trainees? Weight training is one aspect were science is always light years behind. Unlike other areas such as ‘cancer research’ were science represents the cutting edge, informing and directing future efforts, the science of weight training only really identifies the reason why ‘said’ principles work. It has not to my knowledge ever forwarded a novel approach to training that isn’t already known to work.
[quote]mrw173 wrote:
Not only that, but people have to understand what results from a group study actually means. It does not mean that results obtained by that sample are the only obtainable result. Applying group findings to any one individual is inherently flawed.
It’s like that god awful Butt Ceiling or whatever was mentioned. There will always be the far end of the bell curve.[/quote]
People also have to understand that this applies to more than just bodybuilding. There is a far end of the bell curve for everything. Just because someone has accomplished more than you does not necessarily mean that their accomplishments were gained through deceit or that they were just lucky. While genetics do play a role in bodybuilding or an aptitude in math, science, etc, hard work can take a person farther than they know.
So before calling out those who have accomplished something as “cheaters,” like how the average person may think someone having over 200 lbs of muscle mass may be on drugs, perhaps these people should look at their own efforts and see whether or not it matches up to the efforts of those that were successful at accomplishing their goals. This is not necessarily directed at anyone here, it’s just that to the average person being succesful at something is considered “lucky” while failing to accomplish a goal is considered “unlucky.”
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gaea wrote:
In response to TC-
From the Biotest Pharmaceutical website:
I just googled them as well and that company was formed in 2007. Why is your info so different than what I read?
I challenge you to provide me with one recent peer reviewed scientifc journal that supports your claims of 27 pounds of lean muscle gain in six weeks in an elite athlete who is not in a fasted or detrained state. That is all I ask. I shall await your response.
Wait, how many peer reviewed scientific researchers are even testing just how much muscle genetically above average individuals can gain in optimal conditions? There is research going on now on Olympic athletes who are trying to be pro bodybuilders?
Really?
What exactly is your own educational background that you think like this?[/quote]
I’d post a link, but they probably won’t let me. Let’s see:
http://www.biotestusa.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5&Itemid=55
I find it curious that you ask about my background, while in your quest to validate TC’s position, you completely miss my point.
Are you still playing dentist for the military?
I see you are on your third avatar…at least. I think I liked the one from the X-men best.
[quote]SBT wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Gaea wrote:
Just the fact that Gaea claims to have been a member before she could have ever been a member is enough shit to prove a troll crapped here.[/quote]
I was a member when they just had a cartoon of TC on the home page, and there was no Biotest store on line. I remember Myalgistat.
[quote]TC wrote:
Gaea wrote:
TC wrote:
Gaea wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
Gaea wrote:
Oooohh… Guess you guys were a little slow on the draw.
Censorship at its best.
Seriously man?
Why should anyone listen to your opinion when you come from a community of people that insults most of the people here?
None of us really care to hear the “I’m gonna save the world from evil T-Nation” bullshit anymore. It’s getting quite old, and you guys are starting to embarrass yourselves with your obsession with this site.
Because, I suppose it is claims like this that bring the FDA down on supplement companies. If Nike claimed they had a shoe that could make you run a mile in less than a minute, how would you respond to that?
What community am I from?
I was a member of this site BEFORE they started their supplement company. (Which by the way convienently has the same name as a pharmacuetical company - I guess this would make them look like they actually produce what they sell).
BTW, I’m not a man.
This is TC, Tim’s partner at Biotest since we started in 1998.
First of all, the pharmaceutical company known as Biotest was started in 2007, nine years after we started the supplement company known as Biotest.
Secondly, there was no site before we started a supplement company.
Both Testosterone and Biotest were launched at the same time. Our sole product back then was TRIBEX 500.
In response to TC-
From the Biotest Pharmaceutical website:
Biotest has been successfully operating in North America for over 20 years and has built a reputation for quality products and exceptional customer service.
We are a wholly owned subsidiary of Biotest AG, our German parent company located in Frankfurt. The parent organization was established in 1946 by Dr Carl A. Schleussner and his son Hans. Influenced by the findings of Karl Landsteiner (1868-1943), they initially concentrated their research efforts on blood group serology. In 1948, Biotest introduced the first test serum for Anti-D, the first product in the world for the determination of the Rhesus factor. The company has since moved on to develop even greater customer solutions.
There ya go. A little google goes a long way.
I still don’t understand the community question. I belong to no’community’.
I think what you forum readers should be more concerned about it why there are no links. Why any post stating less than stellar reviews or comments is deleted or edited. That should be the real question. Not what ‘community’ I’m from. You’re starting to sound paranoid. A real scientist would face his detractors and not heavily moderate this site so no negative reviews would not get through.
I challenge you to provide me with one recent peer reviewed scientifc journal that supports your claims of 27 pounds of lean muscle gain in six weeks in an elite athlete who is not in a fasted or detrained state. That is all I ask. I shall await your response.
I just Googled Biotest Pharmaceuticals and this is what I read:
“Biotest Pharmaceuticals Corporation, headquartered in Boca Raton, Fla., was formed in 2007 as part of the Biotest AG acquisition of the Nabi Biopharmaceuticals Biologics business unit. Biotest Pharmaceuticals researches and manufactures biotherapeutic products specializing in immunology and liver transplant therapy.”
Now, there is also, apparently, a Biotest Laboratories, Inc, that does the following things:
Contract Manufacturing
Packaging/Assembly
Contract Steam Sterilization
Cleanroom/Cleanbench Testing and Certification
Validation Services
Microbial Management (Evariology)
Training and Consulting Services
Nevertheless, they ain’t us.
If you’d like to believe that we’re in some way associated with them, or that we took their name to fool people, that’s your prerogative.
As far as furnishing a peer reviewed journal article “supporting” the “claims” in the I, Bodybuilder article, that doesn’t make sense.
It’s not a label claim; it’s just something we observed when testing the I, Bodybuilder training system and supplement plan with a few individuals.
You’re fully entitled to harbor doubts. I’d only ask that you and your fellow conspiracy buffs reserve at least some judgement until the program is revealed.
[/quote]
I guess your answer is no.