You did the right thing. Anybody that says differently has likely never been in a similar life and death situation. Just my two cents.
I have noticed lately there seems to be a certain mindset that seems to be in “trouble” more often than most others and have this kind of thing happen to them quite a bit. They always are making excuses and saying they aren’t to blame and they are just a victim.
I always have to ask the question, is it really you that is the problem or is it the people you associate with. Either way, these problems can be fixed if one choose to fix them.
I am not directing this at the OP, just formulating a though process. I had a bit of a similar adventure last night, and now I have to ask this question of myself.
Let’s just say some Minnesotans take their ice fishing a little too seriously. Luckily, Johnny Law did not have to get involved.
[quote]thosebananas wrote:
i defo didnt panic… i just kind of went numb and full of adrenaline at the same time.
my only thoughts where get police/ambulance here now. while i was on the phone i was looking around for a weapon and accessing my options… i couldnt find anything in the couple of minutes i was on the phone. when the phone call ended i immediatly went out into where it had happened and the men where gone.
i cant even remember thinking about going back out or what i was going to do… i just did. i dont think i was scared. i just went into autopilot, i dont even remember dialling 999, i just remember calmly saying "police please, exlpaining my story concisely and calmly and then going back outside.
looking back its like i was outside my head watching myself in a film. it is so surreal
i realise now that i did the right thing. they where on the way out and if id flaired up the situation it was going to get messier. and more than likely worse for us.
i have always wanted to learn a martial art for self defence, but always thought i was being melodramatic and kept putting it of. now that something like that happened so easily. i want to better my self defence skills. and hopefully this will help me regain my self confidence.[/quote]
I’m so glad to hear you say you realize you did the right thing, Scott. More than that, it sounds to me like you were the only one who kept his head in a frightening situation.
[quote]Miss Parker wrote:
thosebananas wrote:
i defo didnt panic… i just kind of went numb and full of adrenaline at the same time.
my only thoughts where get police/ambulance here now. while i was on the phone i was looking around for a weapon and accessing my options… i couldnt find anything in the couple of minutes i was on the phone. when the phone call ended i immediatly went out into where it had happened and the men where gone.
i cant even remember thinking about going back out or what i was going to do… i just did. i dont think i was scared. i just went into autopilot, i dont even remember dialling 999, i just remember calmly saying "police please, exlpaining my story concisely and calmly and then going back outside.
looking back its like i was outside my head watching myself in a film. it is so surreal
i realise now that i did the right thing. they where on the way out and if id flaired up the situation it was going to get messier. and more than likely worse for us.
i have always wanted to learn a martial art for self defence, but always thought i was being melodramatic and kept putting it of. now that something like that happened so easily. i want to better my self defence skills. and hopefully this will help me regain my self confidence.
I’m so glad to hear you say you realize you did the right thing, Scott. More than that, it sounds to me like you were the only one who kept his head in a frightening situation. [/quote]
i dunno, i dont think i did anything. autopilot self survival stuff…
in reaction to this ive bought a kubaton and looking into some Krav maga or KMF. i also think id be really good at some of the grappling stuff but have no idfea how effective that would be in a street fight.
[quote]thosebananas wrote:
I’m so glad to hear you say you realize you did the right thing, Scott. More than that, it sounds to me like you were the only one who kept his head in a frightening situation.
i dunno, i dont think i did anything. autopilot self survival stuff…
in reaction to this ive bought a kubaton and looking into some Krav maga or KMF. i also think id be really good at some of the grappling stuff but have no idfea how effective that would be in a street fight.[/quote]
I understand that you were on autopilot - its just that your autopilot is to get help and tend the wounded, while a lot of other people’s autopilot is to start screaming & just standing there. I’m being serious. You have good instincts.
I responded to your krav stuff on the combat sports thread. You might be really great at grappling, but I agree with the other posters who say that remaining standing in a street fight increases your chances for survival.
That being said, I also train in groundfighting because as a woman I’m more likely to find myself thrown to the ground, and because training in groundfighting is fun. I do believe you should pursue what truly interests you, and follow wherever that leads. Krav is an excellent system because it focuses on easy to master techniques that are based on your body’s own natural reflexes - but we do little groundwork compared to other systems because the goal is to stay on your feet. I love krav, but I believe superiority lies in the practitioner, not the style.
Explore, do what pleases you & train hard. You’ll be fine. Hope to see you in the combat sports forum telling us about your training soon!
[quote]thosebananas wrote:
i dunno, i dont think i did anything. autopilot self survival stuff…
in reaction to this ive bought a kubaton and looking into some Krav maga or KMF. i also think id be really good at some of the grappling stuff but have no idfea how effective that would be in a street fight.[/quote]
It’s my opinion that for self defense, grappling is secondary to striking. Boxing, Kali, Krag Maga, etc will be your best bet for self defense. Depending on grappling can put you in a bad situation in streetfights- you never want to be on the ground. Only bad things happen on the ground.
Train hard and with dedication and you’ll get better and get your confidence back. However, keep in mind that though it will help you get the physical ability, it’s still your mind that will prevent this from happening again. Your awareness is what keeps you safe.
Also keep in mind that some of the more sport oriented ones like wrestling or BJJ are not meant to kill- they’re sport arts. In a real self-defense situation, your targets change to things like the eyes, the ears, the throat, their balls; anything that you can grab, twist, or tear off. It’s ugly shit.
So I would go with a striking art that incorporates real self defense move- basically, I think Krav is the best you can get, with Kali/Silat a close second.
[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
Homosexual ones maybe if they exist… but the ones who used to flake me untill they taught me how to defend myself i would pit one against those 4 idiots in his flat any day.
Pikeys taught you how to fight?!
And this didn’t mean them just beating the shit out of you until you got the hang of it?
I bow in the presense of greatness.
To those that don’t understand, Travellers are priveleged people of Irish descent who undergo specialty training in the ancient art of “kickin’ shite outta fellas” from the day that they are born.
A young traveller will train for over twelve hours a day to achieve mastery in his craft. From dawn to dusk he will participate in the most gruelling training to strengthen his body and mind.
A typical day for a boy traveller will involve ritulistic beatings from his parents, hours of stick fighting with his fellow trainees, brutal sparring sessions with older disciples and the odd rape at the hands of one of his uncles.
When he reaches puberty at the age of six, the young male traveller is expected to confirm his status as a man by forcefully buggering his sister (a cousin is accepted if no sister is availible. When he has safely impregnated his next of kin, the boy is given a stolen van and is educated in various trades.
These include, but are not limited to: siphooning petrol from cars, speaking in an undecipherable tongue, stealing power tools, wrecking halting sites, drinking until unconscious and using “boss” more often than any other word in a sentence.
The adult pikey will spend his lifetime in a carvan accumulating vast amounts of money out of stolen goods and getting drunk. They can grow to over 250lbs of beer, fat and aggression.
Those who do not manage to impregnate their sister at puberty are cast out of the travelling circle, made to settle in “houses”, called softies and generally treated with derision. [/quote]
I want the hector two roof lights, with the discover cushions and the matching side stripe caravan. Right. And she’s terrible partial to the periwinkle blue, boys.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
thosebananas wrote:
i dunno, i dont think i did anything. autopilot self survival stuff…
in reaction to this ive bought a kubaton and looking into some Krav maga or KMF. i also think id be really good at some of the grappling stuff but have no idfea how effective that would be in a street fight.
It’s my opinion that for self defense, grappling is secondary to striking. Boxing, Kali, Krag Maga, etc will be your best bet for self defense. Depending on grappling can put you in a bad situation in streetfights- you never want to be on the ground. Only bad things happen on the ground.
Train hard and with dedication and you’ll get better and get your confidence back. However, keep in mind that though it will help you get the physical ability, it’s still your mind that will prevent this from happening again. Your awareness is what keeps you safe.
Also keep in mind that some of the more sport oriented ones like wrestling or BJJ are not meant to kill- they’re sport arts. In a real self-defense situation, your targets change to things like the eyes, the ears, the throat, their balls; anything that you can grab, twist, or tear off. It’s ugly shit.
So I would go with a striking art that incorporates real self defense move- basically, I think Krav is the best you can get, with Kali/Silat a close second. [/quote]
The trouble with those is finding skilled instructors. Unless you live in a major metro area, and that means NY or LA, that’ll be hard. How many top-notch Kali players are there in Albany, NY (for ex)?
I think carrying a handgun and being thoroughly trained is easier and safer for most situations.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
thosebananas wrote:
i dunno, i dont think i did anything. autopilot self survival stuff…
in reaction to this ive bought a kubaton and looking into some Krav maga or KMF. i also think id be really good at some of the grappling stuff but have no idfea how effective that would be in a street fight.
It’s my opinion that for self defense, grappling is secondary to striking. Boxing, Kali, Krag Maga, etc will be your best bet for self defense. Depending on grappling can put you in a bad situation in streetfights- you never want to be on the ground. Only bad things happen on the ground.
Train hard and with dedication and you’ll get better and get your confidence back. However, keep in mind that though it will help you get the physical ability, it’s still your mind that will prevent this from happening again. Your awareness is what keeps you safe.
Also keep in mind that some of the more sport oriented ones like wrestling or BJJ are not meant to kill- they’re sport arts. In a real self-defense situation, your targets change to things like the eyes, the ears, the throat, their balls; anything that you can grab, twist, or tear off. It’s ugly shit.
So I would go with a striking art that incorporates real self defense move- basically, I think Krav is the best you can get, with Kali/Silat a close second.
The trouble with those is finding skilled instructors. Unless you live in a major metro area, and that means NY or LA, that’ll be hard. How many top-notch Kali players are there in Albany, NY (for ex)?
I think carrying a handgun and being thoroughly trained is easier and safer for most situations.
[/quote]
That’s true, but is some kind of gym everywhere. There’s MMA gyms everywhere now, there’s boxing gyms in every barrio in the cities, etc.
And like I said, the basics of boxing can be learned on your own. I’ve even had success learning some BJJ moves from books. I have experience in learning on the mat and something of a background in martial arts, of course, so maybe I pick it up a bit more quick, but it’s not out of the question.
Although I like guns, and think that everyone should know how to use one, I don’t like relying on something for safety that can’t be brought everywhere. If you’re in my case in NJ, you can’t bring a gun out unless you get the next-to-impossible to get carrying license. If you’re in Scotland or the UK like this guy, you can’t even get your hands on one.
For me, a gun is out of the question except to be kept in the home. But I’m good with my fists and I know it, so I don’t worry when I’m outside my house.
On top of this- being trained in some capacity often increases your confidence. That doesn’t mean to go out looking for fights, but it also means that you’ll carry yourself differently than someone who is completely untrained. Often times criminals will see this confidence, and not consider you a mark- there’s easier people to pick on than those who have a look about them.
[quote]thosebananas wrote:
the pronokation was a glass bottle being thrown out the window of a different flat. not ours. mistaken identity.[/quote]
Ah yes well then this changes everything. If this is indeed the case, perhaps you should have everybody who lives with you to ask strangers the secret password before letting them in!
Edit: Oh and I must comment about you seeking some sort of self defense.
While self defense is a good thing, it is also equally dangerous.
Without any self defense, you chose a safe course of action. If you had any sort of self defense training you may have been tempted to test yourself against these four terminators.
Part of training is knowing when to walk away (and call the cops on their ass!).
However, if you do plan on training I suggest boxing. Not kick boxing, not bjj, not wrestling, not krav maga - just boxing.
The reason for this is because bjj will condition you to grapple one man to the floor and then suffer the consequence of pissed off friends - who are still on their feet mind you. You will get wailed on once you tackle one guy.
Kick boxing is near useless in most situations. Anything kick boxing relate requires an open field to properly articulate the required movements.
Wrestling suffers the same problems as bjj.
Boxing is the easiest to master simple, yet effective, punches, and will teach you to stay on your feet and works in tight quarters such as bars, hallways, metros etc.
[quote]elano wrote:
thosebananas wrote:
elano wrote:
Don’t be so hard on yourself. The dudes had weapons. Did you want to get bashed in the head too? Your best bet was to get a gun or a bigger pipe.
This is why I’m down for having a gun in your room stashed under your bed or in your sock drawer. Those bastards meant business.
illegal here.
And that stops you from getting them how?[/quote]
LOL, I was thinking the same. I’m sure your local IRA recruitment office will issue you a shotgun and a car bomb.
[quote]thekrown wrote:
thosebananas wrote:
the pronokation was a glass bottle being thrown out the window of a different flat. not ours. mistaken identity.
Ah yes well then this changes everything. If this is indeed the case, perhaps you should have everybody who lives with you to ask strangers the secret password before letting them in!
Edit: Oh and I must comment about you seeking some sort of self defense.
While self defense is a good thing, it is also equally dangerous.
Without any self defense, you chose a safe course of action. If you had any sort of self defense training you may have been tempted to test yourself against these four terminators.
Part of training is knowing when to walk away (and call the cops on their ass!).
However, if you do plan on training I suggest boxing. Not kick boxing, not bjj, not wrestling, not krav maga - just boxing.
The reason for this is because bjj will condition you to grapple one man to the floor and then suffer the consequence of pissed off friends - who are still on their feet mind you. You will get wailed on once you tackle one guy.
Kick boxing is near useless in most situations. Anything kick boxing relate requires an open field to properly articulate the required movements.
Wrestling suffers the same problems as bjj.
Boxing is the easiest to master simple, yet effective, punches, and will teach you to stay on your feet and works in tight quarters such as bars, hallways, metros etc.[/quote]
Yeah, Scotty boy, don’t learn how to defend yourself, you may be actually tempted to defend yourself if you’re in danger.
This is the same shit that’s been handed to women for eons. Gosh now, missy, don’t fight that rapist, you might make him made & then he’ll really hurt you!
Fuck. That.
Scott obviously has the brains to make good decisions. He’s proven that by his actions when his friend was attacked and he’s proven that by seeking advice on finding the right training. He’s already discovered what’s available in his area. I think it just might be possible that he’s capable of learning how and when and if to put his new skills to use.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
thosebananas wrote:
i dunno, i dont think i did anything. autopilot self survival stuff…
in reaction to this ive bought a kubaton and looking into some Krav maga or KMF. i also think id be really good at some of the grappling stuff but have no idfea how effective that would be in a street fight.
It’s my opinion that for self defense, grappling is secondary to striking. Boxing, Kali, Krag Maga, etc will be your best bet for self defense. Depending on grappling can put you in a bad situation in streetfights- you never want to be on the ground. Only bad things happen on the ground.
Train hard and with dedication and you’ll get better and get your confidence back. However, keep in mind that though it will help you get the physical ability, it’s still your mind that will prevent this from happening again. Your awareness is what keeps you safe.
Also keep in mind that some of the more sport oriented ones like wrestling or BJJ are not meant to kill- they’re sport arts. In a real self-defense situation, your targets change to things like the eyes, the ears, the throat, their balls; anything that you can grab, twist, or tear off. It’s ugly shit.
So I would go with a striking art that incorporates real self defense move- basically, I think Krav is the best you can get, with Kali/Silat a close second.
The trouble with those is finding skilled instructors. Unless you live in a major metro area, and that means NY or LA, that’ll be hard. How many top-notch Kali players are there in Albany, NY (for ex)?
I think carrying a handgun and being thoroughly trained is easier and safer for most situations.
That’s true, but is some kind of gym everywhere. There’s MMA gyms everywhere now, there’s boxing gyms in every barrio in the cities, etc.
And like I said, the basics of boxing can be learned on your own. I’ve even had success learning some BJJ moves from books. I have experience in learning on the mat and something of a background in martial arts, of course, so maybe I pick it up a bit more quick, but it’s not out of the question.
Although I like guns, and think that everyone should know how to use one, I don’t like relying on something for safety that can’t be brought everywhere. If you’re in my case in NJ, you can’t bring a gun out unless you get the next-to-impossible to get carrying license. If you’re in Scotland or the UK like this guy, you can’t even get your hands on one.
For me, a gun is out of the question except to be kept in the home. But I’m good with my fists and I know it, so I don’t worry when I’m outside my house.
On top of this- being trained in some capacity often increases your confidence. That doesn’t mean to go out looking for fights, but it also means that you’ll carry yourself differently than someone who is completely untrained.
Often times criminals will see this confidence, and not consider you a mark- there’s easier people to pick on than those who have a look about them. [/quote]
Very true. I forgot that in the UK they can’t even have a gun in the home.
You also provided a good reason to lift — troublemakers usually don’t want a fight, they want something else, like money or just to be assholes. If you look dangerous you’re safer.
Very good points, Irish!!
I dont think any training would have helped me in the situation i was in. apart from the mental side where i may have felt slightly more in control.
This incident has opened my eyes that things like this do happen and it aint all in the movies. apart from the odd drunken bar brawl, ive never really been in major danger before and never thought i would. now that i have, i want to be prepared for the next time, and im now assuming there will be a next time.
at the minute if i got into a fight, all i have at my disposal is my size, strength and rugby training. i also get blind rage sometimes. i dont know if this is a good or bad thing in a fight.
id like to learn how to use this size and strength to its best and safest potential, like where to hit, how to hit. how to turn there aggresion against them, so i am able to protect myself and others if i have to.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I know what you’re saying Parker, and I agree. But this guy’s post kind of relates to what I said in the other thread about knowing just enough to get yourself killed by taking that one day seminar-
Some guys train in some strip mall dojo and think they’re badass because of it, and might be tempted to take a threat head-on as opposed to doing a more reasonable thing like de-escalating the situation or involving the authorities.
[/quote]
Yep, gotcha. True.
[quote]
That’s kind of why I reiterate over and over how ugly real life situations are as opposed to in the ring- so people don’t think that just because you know this style of wing dang foo you’re invincible in the street…especially when weapons come out, because they really change the game.[/quote]
Actually, this is one of my favorite things about you. People quickly shout about what they would do - they’d bust 'em up, man! - and a wake up call is usually in order about the real nature of violence.
wing dang foo…hee hee!
[quote]Miss Parker wrote:
thekrown wrote:
thosebananas wrote:
the pronokation was a glass bottle being thrown out the window of a different flat. not ours. mistaken identity.
Ah yes well then this changes everything. If this is indeed the case, perhaps you should have everybody who lives with you to ask strangers the secret password before letting them in!
Edit: Oh and I must comment about you seeking some sort of self defense.
While self defense is a good thing, it is also equally dangerous.
Without any self defense, you chose a safe course of action. If you had any sort of self defense training you may have been tempted to test yourself against these four terminators.
Part of training is knowing when to walk away (and call the cops on their ass!).
However, if you do plan on training I suggest boxing. Not kick boxing, not bjj, not wrestling, not krav maga - just boxing.
The reason for this is because bjj will condition you to grapple one man to the floor and then suffer the consequence of pissed off friends - who are still on their feet mind you. You will get wailed on once you tackle one guy.
Kick boxing is near useless in most situations. Anything kick boxing relate requires an open field to properly articulate the required movements.
Wrestling suffers the same problems as bjj.
Boxing is the easiest to master simple, yet effective, punches, and will teach you to stay on your feet and works in tight quarters such as bars, hallways, metros etc.
Yeah, Scotty boy, don’t learn how to defend yourself, you may be actually tempted to defend yourself if you’re in danger.
This is the same shit that’s been handed to women for eons. Gosh now, missy, don’t fight that rapist, you might make him made & then he’ll really hurt you!
Fuck. That.
Scott obviously has the brains to make good decisions. He’s proven that by his actions when his friend was attacked and he’s proven that by seeking advice on finding the right training. He’s already discovered what’s available in his area. I think it just might be possible that he’s capable of learning how and when and if to put his new skills to use.[/quote]
Clearly you need to do a bit more research before making uneducated comments like this. Martial arts is NOT not the same as self-defense anti rape classes!
[quote]thosebananas wrote:
I dont think any training would have helped me in the situation i was in. apart from the mental side where i may have felt slightly more in control.
This incident has opened my eyes that things like this do happen and it aint all in the movies. apart from the odd drunken bar brawl, ive never really been in major danger before and never thought i would. now that i have, i want to be prepared for the next time, and im now assuming there will be a next time.
at the minute if i got into a fight, all i have at my disposal is my size, strength and rugby training. i also get blind rage sometimes. i dont know if this is a good or bad thing in a fight.
id like to learn how to use this size and strength to its best and safest potential, like where to hit, how to hit. how to turn there aggresion against them, so i am able to protect myself and others if i have to.
[/quote]
I still highly recommend boxing. It is simple, will still be somewhat effective while intoxicated and you will not freeze up during an adrenaline rush.
This is another point that I’d like to bring up. During a life threatening situation your body will tense up and those without sufficient training will be unable to properly execute ninja moves.
You will be able to practice your art in the safety of a ring or dojo but real life is different. You will, to a certain degree, become “stiff” for lack of a better word and your body articulation will not be as “oiled” as it is during practice.
Aside from this, you could look into the russian Systema art. Highly effective at group combat and avoidance in crowded areas, how to escape someones grasp while simultaneously trying to shift their weight to the ground.
It is a self-defense mind you so you won’t learn any flashy moves. Most of them are simple and will take advantage of your weight, based on the way the punchs are thrown.
Systema would have you better prepared for a situation similar to yours, but it isn’t exactly common practice. It isn’t popular and flashy so not many places teach it.
Boxing is easier to find, easier to master and a good place to start if you want to be a competent fighter quickly. Mastery of boxing can be just as deadly if not more than ninja arts mostly because of the environment getting in the way of being able to execute a proper kick.
My final cents.
I’ve been in a f*cked up situation once before too man. I was pissed at myself for the way I reacted and hate thinking about it.
I was at a girls house who I had been dating for 3mo. We were just going to sleep (after smoking a joint) and then the door opened. It was her OTHER boyfriend. He was bigger and very “thuggish” and a screaming match between her and him started as I just stand there on the bed while she pulled him back like he was going to pull a weapon out.
The screaming moved into the kitchen where I slowly wandered out (high and in shock) and I let him scream all sorts of stuff at me and her. I was about 15mi away from my house and it was raining; but I just walked out the front door and walked home.
If I had to do it over again I would have stuck up for myself.
I learned that that’s what I had to do and have done that in situations after that. Since that day no one has talked to me that way or put their hands on me without consequences.
The important thing is to learn from it…
[quote]thosebananas wrote:
elano wrote:
Don’t be so hard on yourself. The dudes had weapons. Did you want to get bashed in the head too? Your best bet was to get a gun or a bigger pipe.
This is why I’m down for having a gun in your room stashed under your bed or in your sock drawer. Those bastards meant business.
illegal here.[/quote]
God Bless America.