I am Absolutly Disgusted in Myself!

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[quote]roybot wrote:
duffyj2 wrote:
roybot wrote:
Most travellers can’t fight. They only think they can after watching Rocky and taking three boxing lessons.

And spending their entire life fighting…

…And yet most of them still can’t fight. Maybe I’ve missed the part where each baby is given a shot of super soldier serum, so that every single male traveller grows up to be both semi-indestructable and an elite fighter.

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Exactly where do you live ?

I used to live in council flats with a LOAD of travellers outside, every weekend they would flake the shit out of each other sometimes with or without weapons… dunno what travellers you have near you ??

Homosexual ones maybe if they exist… but the ones who used to flake me untill they taught me how to defend myself i would pit one against those 4 idiots in his flat any day.

They have NO clue when to give up, you had better KILL them on the 1st hit, as

1)They gonna call their uncles,nephews,dads,sons,uncle in laws etc etc.

2)Then they are going to pick up the nearest weapon whatever it is and use it on you till you are unrecognisable.

Now does that sound what the OP needs… i think so.

Fuck Krav Maga its a bunch of bullshit, theres a guy in my gym always wearing their t-shirt who think it makes him “special” he looks like a girl !

As i said

1)Thai Kick Boxing – Its legalised kick shit, no idiotic moves just pure and utter kick shit.

2)FInd a traveller… pay him… learn to fight by getting the shit kicked out of you.

Tyler Durden had it right, how much DO you know if you have never been in a fight. All the sleeplessness and shit is the follow on that you couldn’t defend yourself, your a MAN at the end of the day you STILL have animalistic instincts inside you they are just covered over my social politeness.

Learn how to defend yourself and others.

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[quote]300andabove wrote:

Exactly where do you live ?

I used to live in council flats with a LOAD of travellers outside, every weekend they would flake the shit out of each other sometimes with or without weapons… dunno what travellers you have near you ??

Homosexual ones maybe if they exist… but the ones who used to flake me untill they taught me how to defend myself i would pit one against those 4 idiots in his flat any day.
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There is no point in making juvenile pops just because my experiences are different to yours. Since you’ve gone to the trouble of dismissing what I’ve said, let’s take a moment to look at your advice and see what makes it so special.

No, you don’t have to kill a traveller to stop them. That is just pure exagerration. They are human like everyone else, not terminators.

What good is it to tell the OP to pay someone to show him how to pick up the phone and call his relatives? I think he can do that on his own. Neither of these points is an indication of skill or fighting ability.

Getting yourself beaten to a pulp on weekends is not necessarily going to teach you how to fight. Sure, you’ll be able to take a punch at the end of it, but there are far easier and less painful ways to defend yourself.

That’s all the OP wants, to defend himself. He doesn’t want to turn himself into a killing machine.

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Fuck Krav Maga its a bunch of bullshit, theres a guy in my gym always wearing their t-shirt who think it makes him “special” he looks like a girl ! [/quote]

Now that is really constructive. Are you honestly saying that you judge the effectiveness of a fighting system based on some random guy wearing an ‘I love Krav Maga’ t-shirt? I can’t vouch for it because I’ve never done it, but I would never dismiss it based on the looks of one practitioner, and certainly not without trying it for myself.

I don’t want to derail this thread with this debate. All I’m gonna say is my experience paints a far different picture. People are jumping all over me because I said that MOST travellers can’t fight. I never said that NONE of them can fight.

Some of them are extremely tough and accomplished fighters, but people assume that this reputation extends to every single traveller ever born. It is a total generalization to say they are ALL fighters: some travellers like a brawl, some don’t, some are extremely nice, some not so nice. How is that so contrcversial?

I’m not saying that to deliberately kick up a stink - I’m talking from experience.

Just because you were involved with a pack of genuinely tough travellers doesn’t mean that they all are. Which is my point: they aren’t all equally good fighters, so to tell the OP to pay a traveller to teach him to fight based on the assumption that they are all equally skilled is dangerous advice.

It’s all going to be left to fate as to whether the guy he pays can actually fight or not.

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Wanting to learn how to fight based on this incident is understandable, but you’ll have to realize that it takes years to get to a point where it really makes a difference in a situation like that. Even then, facing similar odds, there is no guarantee it will turn out well.

I’d recommend you let things settle a bit and then make an informed decision. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not arguing that learning martial arts isn’t a rewarding endeavor in and of itself, I just doubt you’ll get the most out of it or even stick with it if you start training out of anger over what has happened.

Anyway, best of luck!

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[quote]thosebananas wrote:
thekrown wrote:
You need better friends.

whats this got to do with anything?[/quote]

Did 4 random strangers just walk up to your pad and beat up your friends or were they provoked?

Edit:

“Afterwards we found out that these four guys had broken into my flat brandishing a iron pole and wine bottle. all because they thought we were shouting abuse at them from our windows. my flat mate and his friends assure me they werent and these guys where fucing nuts. i just found out they also smashed a computer keyboard over one of the girls heads, but she had no blood injury.”

I highly doubt they just “broke in to your house”. Thugs just don’t do that when there is a party going on and they do not know the head count.

They were provoked, that is for sure and whoever provoked them, drunk or not, is someone you shouldn’t trust drunk and outside of your sight. That person is like a little baby and almost got you killed once. Cut the friendship.

I know you think I’m crazy, but eventually you will learn to evaluate people a bit better and will be cutting certain people from your life. Unless of course you welcome a repeat scenario.

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the pronokation was a glass bottle being thrown out the window of a different flat. not ours. mistaken identity.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
thosebananas wrote:
the police just came back round.

they got the guys… booked them on ABH, GBH, and forced entry.

So now they’ll get ass-raped in jail. If you hadn’t called they’d have got away. Just hope they get an extra thrust (dry, of course) for every moment of pain they caused your mates. Case closed.

Oh, and you’re not a pussy or coward, you’re civilised. Fighting is the last option.
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Must be something in the water lately but again, I agree with this raving loon. There’s a lot of internet tough guy talk that sounds like fucking garbage.

The fact is, if you’re not used to violence, you have no idea how you’re going to react when it comes.

You could sit there and think that you’re a pussy because you didn’t fight, but you’re not realizing that the odds were stacked against you. They had more people and weapons- the only time you’ll win a fight like that is in the movies. The reality is that these motherfuckers would have split your fucking head open and left you bleeding. Instead, you called the cops and now they’re getting locked up. It was the best decision you could have made in that situation.

Reacting blindly is not always the best thing. A couple of months ago I had an issue in the street outside a neighborhood bar. I was separated from my friend by six or eight feet, and while he was popping off to a group of kids in front of him, someone came up from the side and laced him. Neither of us saw this guy coming, and he laid my boy out. As soon as he did that, he ran back by his buddies.

That ended up being one of the only punches of the fight, so I felt bad about not catching the guy, and by the time I started squaring off with him the cops came and broke the shindig up.

Had I immediately chased this kid trying to be Johnny badass, I would have gotten stomped by all his boys. I also would have forced my friends to come save my ass, compromising their safety way more than it had to be at that point.

My point is that sometimes you have to use your head, because if you don’t it’s gonna get busted up.

And don’t listen to all these punkass motherfuckers who are talkin about bringing butter knives into the hallways. You did the best you could in your situation. Don’t feel bad.

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You just need to fight more. Learn martial arts but not only that get into fights more often (not potentially lethal ones like this though) so you can actually USE it and also develop your own personal skills in combat ('combo’s etc).

Where do you think all these martial arts came from? Aside from being honed over centuries some dude somewhere obviously had it in him to just fight and see what worked for him and what didn’t… and then develop that into a form.

Yeah I think Krav Maga is a good choice. 300something said on the previous page that it’s bollocks… but what isn’t then? It is better to go into a fight with actual knowledge of skills and techniques and then hone that by experience.

Bruce Wayne got his young ass kicked for 2 weeks on a boat full of thugs before he years before becoming batman… to get good at something you need to expose yourself to it and do it regularly.

My friend knows tae kwondo and he is fairly good at it but I know for certain that in a real fight he wouldn’t be do jack shit because he has never actually been in one. I am not saying you should devote your life to this as it obviously isn’t such a huge issue (and would be little stupid) but putting your neck out more and maybe just fighting your friends every now and then will only work for you if you live in a dangerous area.

Tyler Durden had the right idea. TBH this is just the pussification of modern society. Men don’t even know how to fight and defend themselves or their loved ones anymore. Guns are great but are you really going to use it if worse comes to worse… especially considering the judicial system right now?

However when it comes to the actual situation bananas you did the right thing. Unless you are some combat expert (or as aforementioned, Batman) fighting them would have been stupid.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Interesting debate about the fighting abilities of travellers. There is a saying here in the UK. “dirtier than a fight at a gypsies wedding”. Travellers/gypsies fight dirty and that alone conveys a certain level of ‘ability’ in my book.

Personally I would think long and hard about fighting a traveller, but that’s just me :wink:

BBB[/quote]

I still do not know where Roybot is from… i honesly cannot think where he is from that travellers can’t fight lol.

As i said i KNOW alot of them, and still im wary round them, one even said years ago

“look boss you can leave wallet on table but dont expect it to be there when ye go look for it”

^^

As i said, learning martial arts and all that shite, does NOT prepare you for an ACTUAL fight, you can know all the fany moves in the world but your fight or flight syndrome is gone haywire you ain’t doing nothing.

So learn to fight dirty and get your ass handed to you a few times, and very soon you won’t be afraid again :slight_smile:

Forgot the amount of times i got a hiding growing up, but i learnt fast :smiley:

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[quote]Der Candy wrote:
You just need to fight more. Learn martial arts but not only that get into fights more often (not potentially lethal ones like this though) so you can actually USE it and also develop your own personal skills in combat ('combo’s etc).

Where do you think all these martial arts came from? Aside from being honed over centuries some dude somewhere obviously had it in him to just fight and see what worked for him and what didn’t… and then develop that into a form.

Yeah I think Krav Maga is a good choice. 300something said on the previous page that it’s bollocks… but what isn’t then? It is better to go into a fight with actual knowledge of skills and techniques and then hone that by experience.

Bruce Wayne got his young ass kicked for 2 weeks on a boat full of thugs before he years before becoming batman… to get good at something you need to expose yourself to it and do it regularly.

My friend knows tae kwondo and he is fairly good at it but I know for certain that in a real fight he wouldn’t be do jack shit because he has never actually been in one. I am not saying you should devote your life to this as it obviously isn’t such a huge issue (and would be little stupid) but putting your neck out more and maybe just fighting your friends every now and then will only work for you if you live in a dangerous area.

Tyler Durden had the right idea. TBH this is just the pussification of modern society. Men don’t even know how to fight and defend themselves or their loved ones anymore. Guns are great but are you really going to use it if worse comes to worse… especially considering the judicial system right now?

However when it comes to the actual situation bananas you did the right thing. Unless you are some combat expert (or as aforementioned, Batman) fighting them would have been stupid. [/quote]

To the OP- do the exact opposite of everything written in this thread.

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Jesus christ, are there actually people here that are suggesting to go out and fight tinkers in preparation for a home invasion?

People are invoking Fight Club and Batman?

Fuck me, when did toddlers start running this motherfucker

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[quote]300andabove wrote:

I still do not know where Roybot is from… i honesly cannot think where he is from that travellers can’t fight lol.

As i said i KNOW alot of them, and still im wary round them, one even said years ago

“look boss you can leave wallet on table but dont expect it to be there when ye go look for it”

^^

As i said, learning martial arts and all that shite, does NOT prepare you for an ACTUAL fight, you can know all the fany moves in the world but your fight or flight syndrome is gone haywire you ain’t doing nothing.

So learn to fight dirty and get your ass handed to you a few times, and very soon you won’t be afraid again :slight_smile:

Forgot the amount of times i got a hiding growing up, but i learnt fast :D[/quote]

I never said that all travellers can’t fight.I think I explained that quite clearly in my last post. I’ve heard some real horror stories about travellers in my local area, so no, they are not some freak breed of pacifists as you seem to be making out.

A gang of about fifteen of them (one armed with a plank with a nail through it) descended on one guy at a fair and kicked and battered him straight into intensive care. All because they didn’t like the fact that he was enjoying some time with his girlfriend. I certainly wouldn’t want to be in that position, so again I’m not trying to downplay their potential to inflict severe harm.

I’m saying there seems to be a kind of myth surrounding travellers and that they are each INDIVIDUALLY as tough as the next man. That is just not true, and without getting into too much detail, I have first hand experience of that.

Let me make it clear that I am not saying travellers can’t fight. I’m saying that some are better fighters than others. I’ve met a lot of travellers: some were friends and some weren’t.

In my experience, the ones that are most vocal about their skills are the ones with the least fighting ability. They are the ones that perpetuate this idea that they come off a production line with a fully formed set of fighting skills.

It is also these loudmouths that are most likely to attack people in groups and use weapons. Conversely, the quieter ones with the solid reputation are typically the real animals.

Hopefully that has clarified my position on this.

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i have been in fights… quite a few.

im from northern ireland, basically civil war when i was growing up. fights where a daily occurance in school and on the rugby pitch.

so ive been in a fair few… but theyve always been one on one or in the street where people will intervene.

ive never really been heavily outnumbered in my own house. i dont think ive ever been in a fight where the opponent was armed either.
i just wanna learn a few techniques on how to end it quickly and scare the attackers… also how to put my size to its best use.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Der Candy wrote:
You just need to fight more. Learn martial arts but not only that get into fights more often (not potentially lethal ones like this though) so you can actually USE it and also develop your own personal skills in combat ('combo’s etc).

Where do you think all these martial arts came from? Aside from being honed over centuries some dude somewhere obviously had it in him to just fight and see what worked for him and what didn’t… and then develop that into a form.

Yeah I think Krav Maga is a good choice. 300something said on the previous page that it’s bollocks… but what isn’t then? It is better to go into a fight with actual knowledge of skills and techniques and then hone that by experience.

Bruce Wayne got his young ass kicked for 2 weeks on a boat full of thugs before he years before becoming batman… to get good at something you need to expose yourself to it and do it regularly.

My friend knows tae kwondo and he is fairly good at it but I know for certain that in a real fight he wouldn’t be do jack shit because he has never actually been in one. I am not saying you should devote your life to this as it obviously isn’t such a huge issue (and would be little stupid) but putting your neck out more and maybe just fighting your friends every now and then will only work for you if you live in a dangerous area.

Tyler Durden had the right idea. TBH this is just the pussification of modern society. Men don’t even know how to fight and defend themselves or their loved ones anymore. Guns are great but are you really going to use it if worse comes to worse… especially considering the judicial system right now?

However when it comes to the actual situation bananas you did the right thing. Unless you are some combat expert (or as aforementioned, Batman) fighting them would have been stupid.

To the OP- do the exact opposite of everything written in this thread.[/quote]

FightingIrish,
I can not agree with you more!! I have been fighting for over 14 years, Im a MMA instructor and strength conditioning coach for a fight team and I manage fighters from 3 different schools across Charlotte NC. I also was a Security Manager for 2 night clubs in Illinois and Iowa…Big fucking clubs…I have seen my share of bad fuking fight and I have been involved in alot of them…

on the other side of that I have sat back in the cut and called the cops paramedics before when we have had MASSIVE fights instead of me just jumping in and getting cut/stabbed/beat with a chair etc…sometimes the best option is stay alive and get backup…and thats it! I guarentee if you went out there and tried to square off with these cats you would have had a different story to tell…you would be saying “Fuck I tried to help my friends and we all got beat with steel pipes”…This post certainly has a better ending…

I agree however that next time unless you are prepared to engage whatever is outside your door in a physical confrintation you should keep the door shut and call the cops.
Atleast no one is mamed for life and you can all go get a drink together ! Keep your head up…and dude seriously starting in a Martial Art now isnt going to do shit for you for a good 2-5 years depending on the school and your commitment to training, and not to many schools will get you to the point of defending against multiple attackers all carrying weapons…I dont give a fuck what school it is!

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Pikeys taught you how to fight?!
And this didn’t mean them just beating the shit out of you until you got the hang of it?
I bow in the presense of greatness.

To those that don’t understand, Travellers are priveleged people of Irish descent who undergo specialty training in the ancient art of “kickin’ shite outta fellas” from the day that they are born.

A young traveller will train for over twelve hours a day to achieve mastery in his craft. From dawn to dusk he will participate in the most gruelling training to strengthen his body and mind. A typical day for a boy traveller will involve ritulistic beatings from his parents, hours of stick fighting with his fellow trainees, brutal sparring sessions with older disciples and the odd rape at the hands of one of his uncles.

When he reaches puberty at the age of six, the young male traveller is expected to confirm his status as a man by forcefully buggering his sister (a cousin is accepted if no sister is availible. When he has safely impregnated his next of kin, the boy is given a stolen van and is educated in various trades. These include, but are not limited to: siphooning petrol from cars, speaking in an undecipherable tongue, stealing power tools, wrecking halting sites, drinking until unconscious and using “boss” more often than any other word in a sentence.

The adult pikey will spend his lifetime in a carvan accumulating vast amounts of money out of stolen goods and getting drunk. They can grow to over 250lbs of beer, fat and aggression.

Those who do not manage to impregnate their sister at puberty are cast out of the travelling circle, made to settle in “houses”, called softies and generally treated with derision.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
thaiclinch wrote:
and not to many schools will get you to the point of defending against multiple attackers all carrying weapons…I dont give a fuck what school it is!

No they won’t but a good school should be able to give you the mental discipline to think in a given situation, not just react.

BBB[/quote]

which is mostly what i am lookin for? being able to take control of a violent situation using force if neccessary.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
thaiclinch wrote:
and not to many schools will get you to the point of defending against multiple attackers all carrying weapons…I dont give a fuck what school it is!

No they won’t but a good school should be able to give you the mental discipline to think in a given situation, not just react.

BBB[/quote]

Very true.
My point was just to explain that learning to “Fight” is not always the answer, on the other hand training at a respectable school will teach you self discipline and the ability to be aware of your surroundings…

Not to mention the ability to think while under that kind of pressure, I do however believe that the OP was able to think even though he “froze” and what he though was right…he called for backup.

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i defo didnt panic… i just kind of went numb and full of adrenaline at the same time.

my only thoughts where get police/ambulance here now. while i was on the phone i was looking around for a weapon and accessing my options… i couldnt find anything in the couple of minutes i was on the phone. when the phone call ended i immediatly went out into where it had happened and the men where gone.

i cant even remember thinking about going back out or what i was going to do… i just did. i dont think i was scared. i just went into autopilot, i dont even remember dialling 999, i just remember calmly saying "police please, exlpaining my story concisely and calmly and then going back outside.

looking back its like i was outside my head watching myself in a film. it is so surreal

i realise now that i did the right thing. they where on the way out and if id flaired up the situation it was going to get messier. and more than likely worse for us.

i have always wanted to learn a martial art for self defence, but always thought i was being melodramatic and kept putting it of. now that something like that happened so easily. i want to better my self defence skills. and hopefully this will help me regain my self confidence.