Hysterical Rolling Stones on Palin and Political Landscape

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
orion wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Sorry, but I call a spade a spade and she is an ageing bimbo.
Allow me to speak a language you’ll understand.

Your Palin-hatred is borne of elitism and bourgeois arrogance against the eternal proletarian revolt represented by Sarah Palin and supported by those of blue-collar, proletarian American roots. You bourgeoisie cannot stand that a person of such proletarian origins has risen to such a level, and are determined to suppress her campaign and the Worker’s Uprising it represents. Perhaps you will succeed, but not before we Oppressed Workers try our hardest to overthrow your bourgeois shackles.

My last president was the son of a tramway operator.

He was also a career diplomat, spoke several languages and had a university degree.

Shall we now move on to discuss Haider and Strache? [/quote]

Strache is an idiot, but Haider is extremely intelligent and probably the greatest political talent of the second republic with the possible exception of Kreisky.

However, Strache may end up as our chancellor because our voting system actually allows smaller parties to gain momentum and our two traditional great parties have become unbearable.

I am not denying that most Austrians are idiots, I am just not sure that that choice makes them idiots.

Quite frankly, in the last election you would have probably voted for Haider.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
orion wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
But you’re right, it can’t be, since a blogger claims she’s smart.

If you read (and you didn’t) through the comments, you would see that you can back out IQ estimates from SAT scores, and the University of Idaho has published mean SAT scores, and SAT is a measure of general intelligence. It’s not a perfect estimate, like an IQ test, but it suffices for most purposes.

Did it ever occur to you that Palin may have gotten flustered and nervous standing next to a turkey-necked bitch like Katie Couric who interrupts frequently? You’ve never had any brain farts when you’ve gotten nervous, huh?

What did you say your IQ was again?

So she can think, just not in stressful situations.

Thank God leading the free world in an economic crisis while two wars are going on can hardly be taxing.

Earth to Orion: SHE’S A VP CANDIDATE!1!!1111!!! [/quote]

How much money are you willing to bet that McCain makes it trough the next 4 years without needing some serious medical attention?

Because you are betting your countries safety on it.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:

In contrast, Palin’s church believes in “literal six day creationism” (gasp!), in conversion therapy for homosexuals (gasp!), converting Jews (gasp! Jesus and the apostles did the same thing!) and in some sort of pre-millenial, pre-tribulatonal eschatology and doesn’t believe in the global warming hysteria. [/quote]

Wasn’t Jesus a jew?

Gasp! Let poofs be. Gasp! Let Jews be. Gasp! Pay a little attention if there is a chance we are fucking the world up and then…Gasp! People won’t think you are an intolerant halfwit.

[quote]orion wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
orion wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Sorry, but I call a spade a spade and she is an ageing bimbo.
Allow me to speak a language you’ll understand.

Your Palin-hatred is borne of elitism and bourgeois arrogance against the eternal proletarian revolt represented by Sarah Palin and supported by those of blue-collar, proletarian American roots. You bourgeoisie cannot stand that a person of such proletarian origins has risen to such a level, and are determined to suppress her campaign and the Worker’s Uprising it represents. Perhaps you will succeed, but not before we Oppressed Workers try our hardest to overthrow your bourgeois shackles.

My last president was the son of a tramway operator.

He was also a career diplomat, spoke several languages and had a university degree.

Shall we now move on to discuss Haider and Strache?

Strache is an idiot, but Haider is extremely intelligent and probably the greatest political talent of the second republic with the possible exception of Kreisky.

However, Strache may end up as our chancellor because our voting system actually allows smaller parties to gain momentum and our two traditional great parties have become unbearable.

I am not denying that most Austrians are idiots, I am just not sure that that choice makes them idiots.

Quite frankly, in the last election you would have probably voted for Haider.

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I’m not asking you to defend anything. My point was, if we were to believe the newspapers, Strache and Haider herald the coming of the 4th Reich. But we don’t know the facts on the ground in Austria from across the Atlantic because of media distortion of the facts. You think Haider is talented and intelligent, the media says he’s Adolph Hitler, and none of us are telling you how you ought to vote from over here are we?

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
I’m not asking you to defend anything. My point was, if we were to believe the newspapers, Strache and Haider herald the coming of the 4th Reich. But we don’t know the facts on the ground in Austria from across the Atlantic because of media distortion of the facts. You think Haider is talented and intelligent, the media says he’s Adolph Hitler, and none of us are telling you how you ought to vote from over here are we?
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Have we even started giving a shit about Austrian politics, yet?

It’s a Euro-trash thing. They are addicted to us.

Same goes for monkey-fucking, gun hating Australians.

Palin is nothing more than a gimmick.

[quote]beebuddy wrote:
Palin is nothing more than a gimmick.[/quote]

A gimmick with more real experience than the Democratic gimmick for President.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
Palin is nothing more than a gimmick.

A gimmick with more real experience than the Democratic gimmick for President.

[/quote]

I’m not the one defending the gimmick though.

[quote]beebuddy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
Palin is nothing more than a gimmick.

A gimmick with more real experience than the Democratic gimmick for President.

I’m not the one defending the gimmick though.[/quote]

Which gimmick?

[quote]rainjack wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
Palin is nothing more than a gimmick.

A gimmick with more real experience than the Democratic gimmick for President.

[/quote]

This is what I don’t get - how almost every criticism liberals apply to Palin could easily be applied to Obama(often by their own admission), yet they hate one and love the other. I’ve never seen liberals get so apoplectic over a VP candidate (for crying out loud) in my entire life.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
Palin is nothing more than a gimmick.

A gimmick with more real experience than the Democratic gimmick for President.

I’m not the one defending the gimmick though.

Which gimmick? [/quote]

Either one. I hope you’re not voting for someone that you admit is a gimmick. I may write in Ron P still.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
rainjack wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
Palin is nothing more than a gimmick.

A gimmick with more real experience than the Democratic gimmick for President.

This is what I don’t get - how almost every criticism liberals apply to Palin could easily be applied to Obama(often by their own admission), yet they hate one and love the other. I’ve never seen liberals get so apoplectic over a VP candidate (for crying out loud) in my entire life.[/quote]

Palin eats squirrels.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

Did it ever occur to you that Palin may have gotten flustered and nervous standing next to a turkey-necked bitch like Katie Couric who interrupts frequently?

You think Couric frequently interrupted Palin? You haven’t watched the interview, have you?

I counted two interruptions in 45 seconds, and heard a distinct tone of condescension and forced amiability from Couric. Palin’s crossed arms indicated that Couric made her feel defensive. Contrast Couric’s behavior toward Palin with that of the rest of the media’s fawning over Obama, their glossing of relationships with unsavory characters in his life, and their mindless repetition of Obama’s “hope” drivel.

I’ve seen plenty of other Couric interviews. In this video, she interviews Obama and McCain. To be fair, she did get tough with Obama on the surge, but the smile present in the Obama interview was gone in the McCain interview. Her tone was decidedly different as well:

Here’s part II of her Obama interview:

Notice her softer tone and her attempts at suppressing a smile?
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So you’re arguing that Couric was a meanie and unfair to Palin? Give me a break. Palin couldn’t or wouldn’t give a straight answer. She apparently “felt defensive” (your words) and folded with Katie Couric. What happens if she has real problems to deal with? What happens if she has real pressure?

I realize you’re struggling to defend this woman and I suppose I should give you applause for your persistence if condemnation for your inability to be objective, but we’re talking about the future of the country. Bush has been roundly condemned for his inabilities, I’m quite literally scared for the future of this country if Palin becomes president.

[quote]beebuddy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
Palin is nothing more than a gimmick.

A gimmick with more real experience than the Democratic gimmick for President.

I’m not the one defending the gimmick though.

Which gimmick?

Either one. I hope you’re not voting for someone that you admit is a gimmick. I may write in Ron P still.[/quote]

Gimmick was your word - not mine. I just used it to compare the republican VP candidate to the dem presidential candidate.

I have stated my voting stance twice on this forum in the last week.

I will not support anyone who supported the $700 Billion bail out of idiots who borrowed more than they could afford.

But if it were a contest between Palin and Obama - I’d vote for Palin. It’s not, so the point is moot - for at least 4 years anyway.

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

Did it ever occur to you that Palin may have gotten flustered and nervous standing next to a turkey-necked bitch like Katie Couric who interrupts frequently?

You think Couric frequently interrupted Palin? You haven’t watched the interview, have you?

I counted two interruptions in 45 seconds, and heard a distinct tone of condescension and forced amiability from Couric. Palin’s crossed arms indicated that Couric made her feel defensive. Contrast Couric’s behavior toward Palin with that of the rest of the media’s fawning over Obama, their glossing of relationships with unsavory characters in his life, and their mindless repetition of Obama’s “hope” drivel.

I’ve seen plenty of other Couric interviews. In this video, she interviews Obama and McCain. To be fair, she did get tough with Obama on the surge, but the smile present in the Obama interview was gone in the McCain interview. Her tone was decidedly different as well:

Here’s part II of her Obama interview:

Notice her softer tone and her attempts at suppressing a smile?

So you’re arguing that Couric was a meanie and unfair to Palin? Give me a break. Palin couldn’t or wouldn’t give a straight answer. She apparently “felt defensive” (your words) and folded with Katie Couric. What happens if she has real problems to deal with? What happens if she has real pressure?

I realize you’re struggling to defend this woman and I suppose I should give you applause for your persistence if condemnation for your inability to be objective, but we’re talking about the future of the country. Bush has been roundly condemned for his inabilities, I’m quite literally scared for the future of this country if Palin becomes president.
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What I’m offering is a plausible explanation for Palin’s mis-speaking, nothing more. Couric’s makes no effort to conceal who she likes politically. I’m not really sure this is even open to debate. There was a poll done before Couric became anchor at CBS, and upwards of 90% of the respondents said CBS news would have a liberal bias or be even more liberal than it already is with her as anchor. Palin hasn’t been rehearsing her presidential run since her early days in the Chicago racial agitation and political scene as has Obama. She didn’t write her autobiography when she was 29, as did Obama. (What unbelievable narcissism drives someone in their late twenties to write an autobiography?) She isn’t running as first-term Senator (unbelievable narcissism, again). She isn’t as polished. I can’t find any evidence that her IQ is low, and those who say so should probably start providing evidence that theirs is high enough to warrant running around calling others stupid.

If you’re scared for a Palin presidency, you should ask yourself why you’re not similarly scared of a return of socialism, which hasn’t been successful anywhere it’s been tried, unless you call high unemployment a success. He is one of the most liberal people in the Senate, a career white-guilter and racial agitator like his diversicrat wife, a gun-grabber, and a Marxist like his biological father, pastor, and other comrades (pun intended).

America has always had a mixed economy. Period. You’re worried that things are swinging left. That’s a fair argument, but not really the topic of this thread. As I said, I don’t think Palin is “stupid” I think she’s “uneducated.” I’m not talking about a BA or MA or PhD or JD or the like here, I’m talking about the kind of education needed to run a country. McCain graduated near the bottom of his class years ago…but he is an extremely educated man. He would never fold given hard questions like Palin did.

Here’s an unscripted moment by Peggy Noonan:

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
orion wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
orion wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Sorry, but I call a spade a spade and she is an ageing bimbo.
Allow me to speak a language you’ll understand.

Your Palin-hatred is borne of elitism and bourgeois arrogance against the eternal proletarian revolt represented by Sarah Palin and supported by those of blue-collar, proletarian American roots. You bourgeoisie cannot stand that a person of such proletarian origins has risen to such a level, and are determined to suppress her campaign and the Worker’s Uprising it represents. Perhaps you will succeed, but not before we Oppressed Workers try our hardest to overthrow your bourgeois shackles.

My last president was the son of a tramway operator.

He was also a career diplomat, spoke several languages and had a university degree.

Shall we now move on to discuss Haider and Strache?

Strache is an idiot, but Haider is extremely intelligent and probably the greatest political talent of the second republic with the possible exception of Kreisky.

However, Strache may end up as our chancellor because our voting system actually allows smaller parties to gain momentum and our two traditional great parties have become unbearable.

I am not denying that most Austrians are idiots, I am just not sure that that choice makes them idiots.

Quite frankly, in the last election you would have probably voted for Haider.

I’m not asking you to defend anything. My point was, if we were to believe the newspapers, Strache and Haider herald the coming of the 4th Reich. But we don’t know the facts on the ground in Austria from across the Atlantic because of media distortion of the facts. You think Haider is talented and intelligent, the media says he’s Adolph Hitler, and none of us are telling you how you ought to vote from over here are we?
[/quote]

The difference is that I am not relying on Austrian media, I have seen as much of this women as you have.

Her convention speech, the Couric interview, the VP debate.

You could at least theoretically do the same with Haider:

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
rainjack wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
Palin is nothing more than a gimmick.

A gimmick with more real experience than the Democratic gimmick for President.

This is what I don’t get - how almost every criticism liberals apply to Palin could easily be applied to Obama(often by their own admission), yet they hate one and love the other. I’ve never seen liberals get so apoplectic over a VP candidate (for crying out loud) in my entire life.[/quote]

See, I would not vote for Obama and yet she still is completely unqualified.

Why deny it?

Oh great. Rely on the American media. They’re positively in love with her! Why, they’ve made her out to be the next Eva Braun!

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
The difference is that I am not relying on Austrian media, I have seen as much of this women than you have.

Oh great. Rely on the American media. They’re positively in love with her! Why, they’ve made her out to be the next Eva Braun![/quote]

I have not seen the spinmeisters do their work, just the original interviews and debates.

Eva Braun would be a good comparison, a cute little apolitical girl that likes powerful men that give her shiny things.