Hugh Jackman 'Bulking' for X-Men

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
No one is saying he won’t do well, just doubting his 6000 calories a day.

Who here currently consumes that much?

How old are you?[/quote]

I just told you in this thread that on a cheat day, I eat MORE than that.

I am in my mid 30’s. Apparently, you are saying my body will fall apart in a few years to the point that I can’t do that anymore.

Look, I am saying that I do have the knowledge in this area and we are discussing metabolism differences, not AGE. I am not sure why you are even arguing against this just because YOU can’t do it.

Jackman has a very lean build naturally…which implies a faster metabolism in and of itself. You won’t even show pictures of your own development so we have no clue how close you two are in terms of conditioning, muscle mass, or even experience…but I do know anyone thinking huge farts are strange in bodybuilding doesn’t know much about bodybuilding.[/quote]

You are how much bigger than him?

As I have told you I have lifted for almost as long as you have lived. It is different in your 40s. We have had a couple latecomers to lifting chime in and say they have had success. Of course they have but it comes slower. I would like them to compare it to their training in their 20s.

That anyone would believe that he is regularly eating 6000 calories blows my mind.

By your post count it is apparent that your hobby is setting up straw man arguments about minor issues.

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LOL. I can’t even count the many times I have eaten way more than 6,000cals long term. That would be WHY I am now bigger than him.

There are very few people even on this site who can claim they have gained over 100lbs after they stopped growing in height who would be ashamed to show that type of progress off.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Bingo. The issue is METABOLISM, not AGE.

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Is metabolism not directly linked to age? Is not an issue about one or the other. It’s an issue about both.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]kineticj wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
but I do know anyone thinking huge farts are strange in bodybuilding doesn’t know much about bodybuilding.[/quote]

amen. I can’t even begin to call myself a bodybuilder, but I have just in the last couple of months began working squats into my workouts and I can tell you that larger volumes of food along with a max effort (for me) squat can lead to some awkwardly timed bass notes.[/quote]

LOL. If you AREN’T getting a few stomach issues and fumigating some rooms, you aren’t doing this hard enough.

No one blows up like Ronnie Coleman without leaving behind a few Brontosaurus sized droppings.

In fact, if you ever invite him, Rhul, Yates, Johhnie Jackson and Cutler over for dinner, you may need to buy a new bathroom.[/quote]

I’ll invite them over for a summer picnic and rent a portapotty. Of course, after they all leave their “deposits”, I think the chances of me getting my deposit back from the rental folks could be difficult.

Yeah, on second thought, I think I’ll just wait for an invite to their place. I’m sure it’ll be coming any day now.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Bingo. The issue is METABOLISM, not AGE.

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Is metabolism not directly linked to age? Is not an issue about one or the other. It’s an issue about both.[/quote]

Metabolism and age are not DIRECTLY linked. You can’t make a medical claim that Patient A will have a slower metabolism at age 40 than they do at age 30. Genetics are largely involved here and some people may not experience a slow down in metabolism until they are in their 50’s or later.

Much of what people younger than that perceive as “slowed metabolism” is truly a decrease in activity and an increase in food intake. The average person moves less and less as they get older.

Now, I have been saying this all throughout this thread…but apparently, the training I got means nothing to all of you.

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[quote]kineticj wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]kineticj wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
but I do know anyone thinking huge farts are strange in bodybuilding doesn’t know much about bodybuilding.[/quote]

amen. I can’t even begin to call myself a bodybuilder, but I have just in the last couple of months began working squats into my workouts and I can tell you that larger volumes of food along with a max effort (for me) squat can lead to some awkwardly timed bass notes.[/quote]

LOL. If you AREN’T getting a few stomach issues and fumigating some rooms, you aren’t doing this hard enough.

No one blows up like Ronnie Coleman without leaving behind a few Brontosaurus sized droppings.

In fact, if you ever invite him, Rhul, Yates, Johhnie Jackson and Cutler over for dinner, you may need to buy a new bathroom.[/quote]

I’ll invite them over for a summer picnic and rent a portapotty. Of course, after they all leave their “deposits”, I think the chances of me getting my deposit back from the rental folks could be difficult.

Yeah, on second thought, I think I’ll just wait for an invite to their place. I’m sure it’ll be coming any day now.[/quote]

Cutler just showed his house off during an interview. It looks like he has the room anyway.

I bet he has steal reinforced toilets.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Maybe he’s tried 4k and his coach says “need more dude”.
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Maybe. Or maybe they just pulled that number out of thin air and we’re arguing over nothing. He’ll take in as many calories as he needs to reach his goal. It might be 6,000. I just doubt it. None of us know for sure. I don’t know his metabolism anymore than you guys do.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Maybe he’s tried 4k and his coach says “need more dude”.
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Maybe. Or maybe they just pulled that number out of thin air and we’re arguing over nothing. He’ll take in as many calories as he needs to reach his goal. It might be 6,000. I just doubt it. None of us know for sure. I don’t know his metabolism anymore than you guys do.
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But I do know this sure ain’t impossible or some insane figure that few people could ever eat.

If your goal is massive changes in how you look and you have NEVER eaten that much, I question the overall progress. I mean, I know skinny dudes who can knock out 6,000cals in a day, they just aren’t consistent with it.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
Or maybe they just pulled that number out of thin air and we’re arguing over nothing. He’ll take in as many calories as he needs to reach his goal. It might be 6,000. I just doubt it. None of us know for sure. I don’t know his metabolism anymore than you guys do.
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I’m firmly of the opinion that the number is made up. Not because I’m a doctor, or weigh 300 lbs, or have ever starred in a movie opposite Nicole Kidman, but because an actors success depends on how well he deceive his audience. Isn’t that what acting is, a big lie? The person on the screen, in this case Jackman, wants us to believe he’s a superhero. It makes his job that much easier if we’re conditioned to believe he trained 6 hours a day, ate 6k calories, does his own stunts, saves mugging victims in his free time, etc.

The fact is, the source is Yahoo Movies. It’s not a scholarly journal. Within the last few years, T-Nation had an interview with one of their usual coaches and asked the person what they would do if they had to bulk up an actor. In a nutshell, the answer was widen the shoulders and get them as lean as possible. Jackman isn’t eating 6k calories a day because he doesn’t want to gain 20 lbs, he wants to create the illusion that he has gained 20 lbs and this means wide shoulders, narrow waist a la Brad Pitt, Ryan Reynolds, etc.

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[quote]Anonymity wrote:
I’m pretty confident that ‘Real Steel’ is the worst movie of all time, and it hasn’t even been released yet.[/quote]

It does look pretty stupid.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Maybe he’s tried 4k and his coach says “need more dude”.
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Maybe. Or maybe they just pulled that number out of thin air and we’re arguing over nothing. He’ll take in as many calories as he needs to reach his goal. It might be 6,000. I just doubt it. None of us know for sure. I don’t know his metabolism anymore than you guys do.
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Maybe.

Point of debate is 6k isn’t impossible or frankly, outrageous.

Whether Jackman at 210 “needs” 6000k is irrelevant. If it is, then it is. If not, then I’m sure his coach(es) will adjust accordingly. Maybe he was doing 6000k at the time he got interviewed. Maybe his coach had him do that for a couple weeks for some reason.

Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. We can make shit up all day.

The only truth is that everyone is different, with different metabolisms, different hormonal profiles, different abilities to eat certain foods in different amounts, responding to diet and exercise differently at different ages.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Maybe he’s tried 4k and his coach says “need more dude”.
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Maybe. Or maybe they just pulled that number out of thin air and we’re arguing over nothing. He’ll take in as many calories as he needs to reach his goal. It might be 6,000. I just doubt it. None of us know for sure. I don’t know his metabolism anymore than you guys do.
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Exactly. But some people like to boost heir post count by arguing over Hollywood fluff.

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On a side note some of you like to minimize your work and gains by saying if I had his trainer etc I too could have great gains.

If you are working hard in the gym and eating then don’t assume he is doing better. If you are half assing it you only have yourself to blame.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Maybe he’s tried 4k and his coach says “need more dude”.
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Maybe. Or maybe they just pulled that number out of thin air and we’re arguing over nothing. He’ll take in as many calories as he needs to reach his goal. It might be 6,000. I just doubt it. None of us know for sure. I don’t know his metabolism anymore than you guys do.
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Maybe.

Point of debate is 6k isn’t impossible or frankly, outrageous.

Whether Jackman at 210 “needs” 6000k is irrelevant. If it is, then it is. If not, then I’m sure his coach(es) will adjust accordingly. Maybe he was doing 6000k at the time he got interviewed. Maybe his coach had him do that for a couple weeks for some reason.

Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. We can make shit up all day.

The only truth is that everyone is different, with different metabolisms, different hormonal profiles, different abilities to eat certain foods in different amounts, responding to diet and exercise differently at different ages.[/quote]

Well said.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Point of debate is 6k isn’t impossible or frankly, outrageous.
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I agree with that. The whole mess started just because I said I was surprised based on my caloric intake on my bulk and what others on this board eat when they bulk. Somehow that deserved condescending remarks that I don’t know what muscle is made of and that being surprised must mean I haven’t done it before. Despite pictures, videos, and logs detailing the 50lbs I’ve gained in a year at close to the same height.

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:
Exactly. But some people like to boost heir post count by arguing over Hollywood fluff.[/quote]

says the guy arguing about hollywood fluff

lol

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He would have the best name imaginable, if he ever tried to get into bodybuilding:

Huge Jacked Man, anyone?

No? Ok … I’ll be off then.

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You have to factor in additional training here. Wolverine 2 is supposed to be set in Japan where Logan gets extensive training in martial arts (understatement). 6000 cals a day isn’t such a long shot when you’re doing hours of fight training in addition to lifting.

As for Hugh Jackman not being able to gain 20lbs in time - well his legs were pretty scrawny in X-Men Oranges: Tangerine (they probably weren’t a priority), so there is definitely room for improvement.

This pic was taken around the time of shooting for the movie.

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Fellas…

I think all these arguments stem from a simple lack of knowledge, and for a few reasons:

  1. Nobody (who replied) here started after 40;

  2. Nobody here knows anybody who started after 40.

It’s a shame you can’t all hang fire until Autumn. I’m 42, and although I’ve trained very sporadically since my late teens, on a very subpar diet, even I added 40Ibs. When I finish cutting in April/May, I’ll go on a bulk.

Come December, I’ll be able to tell you whether 20ibs - LEAN - is possible at 42 or not.

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
Yeah. People get so caught up in Hugh Jackman, they forget that Wolverine is a nasty, hyper-violent asshole that just loves to fight and tear shit up. He’s not a nice guy. But that’s why fanboys love him. [/quote]

I live in hope that there is an alternate reality where Marvel studios retained the rights to all their characters and are so successful that they can run two divisions under the Marvel brand. They release two editions of every movie: a mainstream edition to appeal to the masses and a fanboy version with fan picked cast crew and writers released thru the indie arm.

Unfortunately, we live in this reality.

As an aside, I think Marvel have done a bang-up job with their choice of directors so far.

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LOL at the 6 K bulking debate! Just for example, my brother is 6’ 3" and when he was in high school, as part of a nutrition class, he had to track his calorie intake for 2-3 weeks. I don’t remember his weight, but he was definitely less than 220 (he hit that in college). He was playing basketball and preparing for outdoor track (discus and shot) by weight training. This on top of his classes and he was eating 9,000 to 10,000 calories a day and maintaining his weight.

6,000 calories at 6’3 and 200 pounds should be relatively easy to do.