if you cant find a doc that will give you what you want search online there are plenty of hrt centers out there that will do a good job
DING!DING!DING!DING!DING! ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner. Got my script. They were very anit-needle, but i will take what I can get. Start AndroGel tomorrow. Total for a 1 month supply of test: $15.50
Hope it works for you. I’ve been on 10 g/day for 6 weeks, 5 g/day for 2 weeks prior, and I think it sucks. Imagine you’re very hungry, starving almost, and someone gives you an empty hot dog bun to eat; that’s Androgel (for me anyway). Good luck, maybe you’ll do better.
[quote]hankr wrote:
DING!DING!DING!DING!DING! ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner. Got my script. They were very anit-needle, but i will take what I can get. Start AndroGel tomorrow. Total for a 1 month supply of test: $15.50[/quote]
congrats I went for my second blood test today will find out on 28th if I get a script.
andro gel or not I’ll take what I can get
it has to help
Well I take my 3 rd shot tomorrow, at home 
Now I can adjust the does to 1 ml every 2 weeks, instead of 2 ml once a month.
How do I feel?
my energy is back up and I need far less sleep, and libido is back to normal. Muscles are harder although I have to admit I have been too busy to work out that much, that is soon to change. Appetite though is a bout triple so I have to be careful, but I seem to be able to fudge my eating some without a problem, unlike before. I am getting 2 cans of Low-Carb Grow! i love thsi stuff, and am going on a version of the velocity diet. For the first phase of my comeback I am thinking about using the 2 weeks woth of the patches I have to get a kick start since I got Arimidex so sides should be no prob, I figure it will help out with the fat loss also, not looking to be Arnold just get back into great shape and feel better.
Best of luck to you , you will feel better and will be surprised at how mcuh.
Well. Today is the start of Day 3. Last night I slept through the night for the first time in weeks. All I have been able to find on the net indicates that by the end of the second day or TRT with Androgel, your levels are stabilizing, and should be up there. I believe it. I feel MUCH better. Putting the gel on is a pain, as it liquifies very rapidly in the hand, but a small price to pay. Libido is already way up. Don’t know how this will translate in the gym, if at all. As best I can tell, I am getting about 5 gm / day of test, and a dose for BB would be at least 100 / week, often in conjunction with other anabolics. We will see.
Can I pass along some tips:
(1) Don’t put it on your balls – burns like a sumbitch!
(2) Use your wrists, not your hands, for rubbing the gel. Squirt it right on your wrists; the skin is thinner there than on your palm.
(3) Avoid rubbing on any hair; this activates DHT (which is bad news for your prostate and head hair!)
(4) Try to get the doc to prescribe some Finasteride for you. This prevents Benign Prostate Hypertrophy.
(5) Take 4 to 6 Alpha Male per day, to keep your own production up.
I’ve done all these and feel better now. Especially avoid the gel on the balls! Wanna scream just reliving that–guess it was pretty dumb to try that one.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Can I pass along some tips:
(1) Don’t put it on your balls – burns like a sumbitch!
(2) Use your wrists, not your hands, for rubbing the gel. Squirt it right on your wrists; the skin is thinner there than on your palm.
(3) Avoid rubbing on any hair; this activates DHT (which is bad news for your prostate and head hair!)
(4) Try to get the doc to prescribe some Finasteride for you. This prevents Benign Prostate Hypertrophy.
(5) Take 4 to 6 Alpha Male per day, to keep your own production up.
I’ve done all these and feel better now. Especially avoid the gel on the balls! Wanna scream just reliving that–guess it was pretty dumb to try that one.[/quote]
Thanks HH - I’ll be sure to avoid the balls, and the hairy areas.
I have been doing a lot of reading regarding what I guess you could call ongoing PCT. I’m looking at Fina as well a some other compounds for this. Once I make a decision, I will post my choice(s), and the pro/con on the choices.
Alpha Male is definately a candidate for a daily supp once my levels are stabilized. I am loath to take anything during this first month. My understanding is that starting at about the two week point, I will begin to experience some level of natural test shutdown. Therefore, at least this month, I should be seeing a drop towards the end of the 4 week period.
My concern is that I provide my docs the most accurate info possible. If at the end of the month I am at 500 ng/dl, great. Then I can start my “PCT” and maybe get a little higher. I would hate to take something to keep my natural production up, find out I was some kind of super-responder, and be at 1100 and have them cut me back.
BTW, 2 things:
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Real Test is way cheaper than some supplements: 50 cents / day. I wonder if this applies to AAS in general.
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For anyone who is trying to get on TRT, my statement that my levels of ~300 might not be my normal level seemed to hit home. They were fixated on this “normal is 300 - 1200” BS. Once I pointed out that my normal could have been 600, for all they knew, it seemed to create a shift in thinking.
This could be placebo effect, but just did a short upper body w/out (12 sets) followed by 20 min HIIT on the lifecycle, and feel like I could do it again, right now.
A pharmacist at Solvay (makes Androgel) told me that it takes about 2 months before most men notice very much. Your body has to get used to a higher level of testosterone, then there’s a certain amount of cell turnover before you truly start feeling better. I have read some studies that seemed to offer relief more quickly though, so maybe the guy was being very conservative.
Cy Willson recommends 2 weeks off from Alpha Male every 12 weeks or so. Maybe that 2 weeks should be right before blood tests, so the doc won’t cut down on the HRT.
got my script today, 5mg a day androgel
so we’ll see how it works im really excited, I dont want my hopes up to high
I might have to try and increase it we’ll
see when I have my t levels checked again
I have been on HRT for 6 weeks now a t5mg per day Of Testim 1@ gel. Started off at in the low to mid 300’s free 9.5 got my results back from my retest last week and am at 472 total and forgot to ask about the free.
I do feel better. My strength has gone way up on squats and I’m not nearly as irritable. We are going to continue on the same protocal and retest again in 6 weeks. My doctor is being very conservative and does not want me highr than 600-700. After the next 6 weeks I will probably add Alpha Male to the equation. For now I want it to be just the Testim with no other variables to account for in the retest.
[quote]sully’s wrote:
I have been on HRT for 6 weeks now a t5mg per day Of Testim 1@ gel. Started off at in the low to mid 300’s free 9.5 got my results back from my retest last week and am at 472 total and forgot to ask about the free.
I do feel better. My strength has gone way up on squats and I’m not nearly as irritable. We are going to continue on the same protocal and retest again in 6 weeks. My doctor is being very conservative and does not want me highr than 600-700. After the next 6 weeks I will probably add Alpha Male to the equation. For now I want it to be just the Testim with no other variables to account for in the retest.[/quote]
glad to hear it my doc is also conservative, I was wondering about the irritability? so my son will be happy that will go away.
I am taking Alpha Male but will take a week of before my retest!
I did that for my last test and it was even lower than the first test!
anyway glad to see 5mg a day does do well I was concerned about that as well.
thanks
Bulldogg
[quote]BradleyGrunner wrote:
Out of curiosity, why would one rub it on their scrotum?[/quote]
The scrotum is 400 times more absorptive than any other epidural part of the body. I used to rub the gell there for that reason. Im 42 and I opted for injections however just because it is cheaper and you get way more bang for your buck.
On a 25mg day cream that was custom compounded for me my levels did not get any higher than 690 ng/dl. With the injections my levels go thru the roof! Over 3,000 ng/dl 2-4 days post injection. I take 400mg twice monthly and have now for 3 years. For those who stopped taking gh, I would resume as they both work synergisticaly and you dont need near as much of either for that reason.
Hormons are like a symphony in the body, you raise or lower one without assessing the other key ones, things can get wacky. For example, Taking rHGH without test is almost useless, but you can take test without GH with decent results. Taking rHGH will also lower thyroid output necesitating the need for a low dose T3. I have a great doc who knows his stuff and he works with me real well on these issues. I do not and never have taken large BB doses. I dont need to. When done right, doses mildly over theraputic are sufficient. I tend to have problems with Gyno on one side only, so I also take Femara daily to battle aromatization.
All in all, IM glad the med community is growing in knowledge of male andropause. It does help in many aspects of living, sex drive, energy, immune system, and more. I was born with an undecended testicle and the one that worked had to work overtime for 39 years until it just got tired!
peace
well been on androgel 5mg day for 5 days and have not noticed any changes good or bad, what time frame should I ecpect changes to show?
[quote]bullddogg wrote:
well been on androgel 5mg day for 5 days and have not noticed any changes good or bad, what time frame should I ecpect changes to show?[/quote]
i was on androgel,and had results.not the results i wanted.
i am now on striant.just started it.going to an endo in jan.
[quote]bullddogg wrote:
well been on androgel 5mg day for 5 days and have not noticed any changes good or bad, what time frame should I ecpect changes to show?[/quote]
First, 5mg is a very low dose. But if youve never used it before you should see some results within 10-15 days. bit more energy, increased libido, bit more strength, but like I said, 5mg isnt much. 10mg would be better. Where are you rubbing it? One of the best places is inside your forearms on the softest part of the skin. You can rub it on your scrodum, but some products can feel like its itching or burning you. I never had any problems with any of the gel or cream I used, but some folks do.
Day 13 on 5mg day Androgel. There is absolutely no doubt that this stuff is having a real, positive effect. Libido is way up, workouts are easy, I feel like me again. Sleep (one of my big issues) comes easy, sleep through night now. No negative side effects at all, that I can see.
I am actually hoping that the improvement will not show up as much in my numbers as it does in my life - I would love to give 10mg/ day a shot.
just thought id put in my two cents here… ive been on adrogel for about a year and have notice some good results on 10mg but Ive found 20mg to work better… unfortunatly I have to pay for the gel every other month becuase my insurance wont cover that dose but it does work better…also i just recently started to add some test boosters like tbomb2 and im also taking 6-oxo so i hope this will also help some more
If your getting test injections or giving them to yourself, see if your doc can get you a bottle of Gebauer Ethyl-chloride. It’s a topical skin refrigerant/anesthetic. My doc uses it to relieve any pain from trigger point injections when I get them for my back. I also have him use it when I get my test shot. Makes it absolutely painless, and there is less liklihood of bruising, or swelling/pain. I think a bottle costs like $17 but your doctor will have to get it for you.