[quote]Electric_E wrote:
Good post, the geezer who got lamped acted like a twat from start to finish, are you going to risk all you have for a twat?
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Yeah I would have. My brother is a twat :(. And my mother. And quite a lot of my friends.
Some people just have no idea how to react in a situation such as this.
Id like to think i woulda stepped up and done something im not that big though 6’0 200lbs. But as i wasnt there its hard to tell.
Seeing the amount of guys there though and some that were actually fairly big. I cant believe someone didnt just say lets rush him.
Doesnt matter how big you are if you got 6-7 guys on you your fucked.
This kinda shit pisses me off though.
[quote]Possumwee wrote:
Id like to think i woulda stepped up and done something im not that big though 6’0 200lbs. But as i wasnt there its hard to tell.
Seeing the amount of guys there though and some that were actually fairly big. I cant believe someone didnt just say lets rush him.
Doesnt matter how big you are if you got 6-7 guys on you your fucked.
This kinda shit pisses me off though.[/quote]
It happens to quick for most to react. Personally, I don’t think I could take the guy one on one. I’m 5’7" and 205 pounds as of this morning after my dump. Now, there is the gun and knife deal. but if I pull one, i better be ready to use it.
Odds are I would be there with at least my wife, and she would be my first concern. As for intervention, it’s easy for anyone to say what they would have tried to do if they have never faced a serious situation such as this.
I’ve been involved in three situations where I was ready to draw a gun. Each time I would have been sorry later if I was not careful. They all were resolved without any mess, partly or mostly because I kept a cool head. There were no cops, no lawyers, and no drama once things settled down.
Now, I was ready in case things did go bad, but that’s the awareness I was talking about earlier.
Now in this situation, a weapon would have been to risky. to many people around for a gun, and knives are very last ditch. My skills with choke holds and joint locks are not highly trained, so that would be iffy. i don’t know how many people here have ever really choked people out, but I’ll give you a hint. they don’t go easily and sinking one on a 6’4" 300 pound guy is not easy.
Everybody can go internet tough guy here, but I’ll wait until i see T nation poster gets beat down on You Tube, or arraigned for assault and sued in criminal court.
And yes, violent scum bags will get some lawyer to sue you for damages. Be very careful and know what you’re doing before diving into or adding to mayhem.
[quote]treco wrote:
Wow!
2 year of reading: name calling, attitude, theoretical ass whipping scenarios, feats of bravado and strength, Spartan regiments and lifestyles, and the like…
I never “knew” there were so many cowards on T-Nation.
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T Nation, home of the hardcores. I think this thread finally proves that all the posturing is just that.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Possumwee wrote:
Id like to think i woulda stepped up and done something im not that big though 6’0 200lbs. But as i wasnt there its hard to tell.
Seeing the amount of guys there though and some that were actually fairly big. I cant believe someone didnt just say lets rush him.
Doesnt matter how big you are if you got 6-7 guys on you your fucked.
This kinda shit pisses me off though.
It happens to quick for most to react. Personally, I don’t think I could take the guy one on one. I’m 5’7" and 205 pounds as of this morning after my dump. Now, there is the gun and knife deal. but if I pull one, i better be ready to use it.
Odds are I would be there with at least my wife, and she would be my first concern. As for intervention, it’s easy for anyone to say what they would have tried to do if they have never faced a serious situation such as this.
I’ve been involved in three situations where I was ready to draw a gun. Each time I would have been sorry later if I was not careful. They all were resolved without any mess, partly or mostly because I kept a cool head. There were no cops, no lawyers, and no drama once things settled down.
Now, I was ready in case things did go bad, but that’s the awareness I was talking about earlier.
Now in this situation, a weapon would have been to risky. to many people around for a gun, and knives are very last ditch. My skills with choke holds and joint locks are not highly trained, so that would be iffy. i don’t know how many people here have ever really choked people out, but I’ll give you a hint. they don’t go easily and sinking one on a 6’4" 300 pound guy is not easy.
Everybody can go internet tough guy here, but I’ll wait until i see T-Nation poster gets beat down on You Tube, or arraigned for assault and sued in criminal court.
And yes, violent scum bags will get some lawyer to sue you for damages. Be very careful and know what you’re doing before diving into or adding to mayhem.
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Yer your right, its allways hard to say unless your there. Ive only ever been in a situation like this once, where 1 guy was being beaten on by about 5 thugs. you see it and you freeze, ive allways thought id just run in and “do or die” but you just dont unless your prepared for it.
Luckily enough though i was with a group of friends so we did go over and they just ran off.
[quote]Possumwee wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Possumwee wrote:
Id like to think i woulda stepped up and done something im not that big though 6’0 200lbs. But as i wasnt there its hard to tell.
Seeing the amount of guys there though and some that were actually fairly big. I cant believe someone didnt just say lets rush him.
Doesnt matter how big you are if you got 6-7 guys on you your fucked.
This kinda shit pisses me off though.
It happens to quick for most to react. Personally, I don’t think I could take the guy one on one. I’m 5’7" and 205 pounds as of this morning after my dump. Now, there is the gun and knife deal. but if I pull one, i better be ready to use it.
Odds are I would be there with at least my wife, and she would be my first concern. As for intervention, it’s easy for anyone to say what they would have tried to do if they have never faced a serious situation such as this.
I’ve been involved in three situations where I was ready to draw a gun. Each time I would have been sorry later if I was not careful. They all were resolved without any mess, partly or mostly because I kept a cool head. There were no cops, no lawyers, and no drama once things settled down.
Now, I was ready in case things did go bad, but that’s the awareness I was talking about earlier.
Now in this situation, a weapon would have been to risky. to many people around for a gun, and knives are very last ditch. My skills with choke holds and joint locks are not highly trained, so that would be iffy. i don’t know how many people here have ever really choked people out, but I’ll give you a hint. they don’t go easily and sinking one on a 6’4" 300 pound guy is not easy.
Everybody can go internet tough guy here, but I’ll wait until i see T nation poster gets beat down on You Tube, or arraigned for assault and sued in criminal court.
And yes, violent scum bags will get some lawyer to sue you for damages. Be very careful and know what you’re doing before diving into or adding to mayhem.
Yer your right, its allways hard to say unless your there. Ive only ever been in a situation like this once, where 1 guy was being beaten on by about 5 thugs. you see it and you freeze, ive allways thought id just run in and “do or die” but you just dont unless your prepared for it.
Luckily enough though i was with a group of friends so we did go over and they just ran off.
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And sometimes that is enough. I don’t advocate standing there eating popcorn and watching the show, just using some common sense. I’ll give you a few scenarios 1. I see five guys beating on some guy. I yell at them to stop, they say fuck off, so I draw a gun. Now I did maybe save this guys life because I called for an ambulance and so on. A little but later I get picked up by the cops for assault, brandishing a weapon. Now this is a felony. Yes, I do clear my name, but ti’s a huge pain in the ass.
There’s a case sort of like this in a new book, Carrying Concealed Weapons. A fellow confronted two kids with a gun by pulling his own gun, he called the cops. He got arrested. They never searched the kid’s car, just talked to the kids, and so on. He was facing felony charges. He was cleared, but an overzealous DA and two cops who were goofs really ruined his day.
I’m so hardcore I would have whooped that black dude’s ass, bitch slapped his woman, stomped the cell phone guy, then beat the manager for not having my pizza ready.
Sometimes you just can’t let shit slide.
[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:
I’m so hardcore I would have whooped that black dude’s ass, bitch slapped his woman, stomped the cell phone guy, then beat the manager for not having my pizza ready.
Sometimes you just can’t let shit slide.[/quote]
You made me chuckle.
After watching the video a couple of times, I’m not convinced the woman was cutting in line. It’s possible she was just moving forward to read the menu.
But even if she was, and as a couple of posters have mentioned, what could the cell phone guy possibly have been saying about it that would have reasonably included a description of her clothes? So he had to have been just hating on her (“fat ugly bitch,” or whatever). That being the case, what I hope I would have had the courage and presence of mind to do would have been to stick up for her to the store manager when he started yelling at her to get out. Did you guys hear her trying to explain? “No, listen to what the fuck he’s saying!” She’s the only one in the place who isn’t white, and no one seemed to care that she’d been insulted. I’m not sure her anger wasn’t justified. She seemed frustrated and embarrassed to me before she became violent.
Still, I don’t feel at all certain that I would have done anything more than stand staring, open-mouthed, as things unraveled. Hell, even SHE seems pretty scary to me. She’s bigger and angrier than most of the men in there. But I suspect validating her would have diffused it. Just one person agreeing that the cell phone guy was being a jerk.
Also, did anyone else notice that the only one who even said anything when the boyfriend started his attack was the female behind the counter? It was just “Hey!” but at least it was a protest. As far as I can tell everyone else remained silent.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
After watching the video a couple of times, I’m not convinced the woman was cutting in line. It’s possible she was just moving forward to read the menu.
But even if she was, and as a couple of posters have mentioned, what could the cell phone guy possibly have been saying about it that would have reasonably included a description of her clothes? So he had to have been just hating on her (“fat ugly bitch,” or whatever). That being the case, what I hope I would have had the courage and presence of mind to do would have been to stick up for her to the store manager when he started yelling at her to get out. Did you guys hear her trying to explain? “No, listen to what the fuck he’s saying!” She’s the only one in the place who isn’t white, and no one seemed to care that she’d been insulted. I’m not sure her anger wasn’t justified. She seemed frustrated and embarrassed to me before she became violent.
Still, I don’t feel at all certain that I would have done anything more than stand staring, open-mouthed, as things unraveled. Hell, even SHE seems pretty scary to me. She’s bigger and angrier than most of the men in there. But I suspect validating her would have diffused it. Just one person agreeing that the cell phone guy was being a jerk.
Also, did anyone else notice that the only one who even said anything when the boyfriend started his attack was the female behind the counter? It was just “Hey!” but at least it was a protest. As far as I can tell everyone else remained silent. [/quote]
Looking at it from the other side doesn’t justify the beating, but it certainly might explain some things.
Lady goes up to look at the menu, guy thinks she’s cutting in line. Typical douchebag loud cellphone talker says “some fat ugly camo bitch” or some “n-word in camo” (being in ohio, and in the states, I can see this happening)
Maybe that guy had it coming, I mean, who the hell talks about someone on their cellphone loud enough deliberately so the other person can here. Then he throws his cellphone on the ground, what the hell is that? Even after he saw the big 300lb dude, he still escalated the situation and even his body language shows. He want into the invisible lat pose right in front of her and the big guy. Stupidity anyone?
Maybe the other people didn’t help him cause he called the lady a n****r. I sure as hell wouldn’t
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Look friend, if you think Cell Phone Guy mouthed off and cursed and disrespected the woman and had a beating coming and so you stood there and watched the train wreck happen, that’s one thing.
Then again if you watch the video (without the audio) you see a seemingly innocent person almost get their life taken from then and folks just standing around watching, bleating, staring in fear and rightfully so but what you got to understand is that in life and death situations sometimes somebody has go to do something. It’s that simple and yet it is still complicated, I admit.
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You seem to be an intelligent guy, how can you even think he was innocent? One doesn’t need the audio to fill in the blanks.
That’s exactly what I said in previous posts.
I think a lot has to do with one’s upbringing. If you grew up in violent environment where emphasis was on survival of the fittest, constantly being on the verge of fighting, act first think later kind of behavior, then I believe that it would come easier if not even naturally to jump in a fight without considering consequences.
I grew up in a very peaceful environment, always being taught the value of nonviolence, I hung up with people sharing the same values, think twice before anything so yes, this is an ingrained way of thinking for me.
Moreover, I’m an ER doc, I deal with death and human body fragility on a daily basis, I see and have seen hundreds upon hundreds of senseless deaths, disfigurements and human tragedy in the name of “honor”.
Do you know what everybody involved in such a thing repeats over and over again? They all regret the decision made. Mind you, I’m not talking minor stuff, but deaths and serious injuries, weeks or months of hospital stays, disabilities and so forth.
I’ve seen young lives and families destroyed by sheer stupidity, so yes, I’ll think hard before jumping in a fight that would endanger my own life. The stories I hear and experience first hand would make you throw up and maybe you’d think twice before calling rational people “sheep”. I saved many lives doing my job and I plan to do the same as long as I’m healthy to do so. I’m way more valuable to the community by just showing up at work than getting involved in senseless fights.
I don’t expect you to understand but I won’t blame you or call you names for that. If risking your life and your family for the random stranger is worth it for you, than so be it. But don’t go around belittling others for a different opinion.
This last thing just has no place in a civilized discussion. Let alone you have no moral authority to be preaching sermons; you’re more at home talking about vaginal discharges though.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
After watching the video a couple of times, I’m not convinced the woman was cutting in line. It’s possible she was just moving forward to read the menu.
But even if she was, and as a couple of posters have mentioned, what could the cell phone guy possibly have been saying about it that would have reasonably included a description of her clothes? So he had to have been just hating on her (“fat ugly bitch,” or whatever). That being the case, what I hope I would have had the courage and presence of mind to do would have been to stick up for her to the store manager when he started yelling at her to get out. Did you guys hear her trying to explain? “No, listen to what the fuck he’s saying!” She’s the only one in the place who isn’t white, and no one seemed to care that she’d been insulted. I’m not sure her anger wasn’t justified. She seemed frustrated and embarrassed to me before she became violent.
Still, I don’t feel at all certain that I would have done anything more than stand staring, open-mouthed, as things unraveled. Hell, even SHE seems pretty scary to me. She’s bigger and angrier than most of the men in there. But I suspect validating her would have diffused it. Just one person agreeing that the cell phone guy was being a jerk.
Also, did anyone else notice that the only one who even said anything when the boyfriend started his attack was the female behind the counter? It was just “Hey!” but at least it was a protest. As far as I can tell everyone else remained silent. [/quote]
And that also makes a lot of sense. I’ve been in a few spots where I was sure I could kick some ass, but used my head and mouth and prevented a whole lot of chaos. Maybe the woman was an ass, maybe she was checking the menu, seeing when they close whatever.
I’ll tell two stories. A patient of mine almost had a dead cousin this weekend. The kid saw some Mexicans whooping and hollering and he told them to shut the fuck up. the guy came over and got in the 19 year old’s face. The kid boxes golden Gloves, so he laid him out cold. But he misssed his buddy coming from the opposite direction and was stabbed in the eye.
He’s permanently blinded in that eye now. He did start it by instigating with his mouth, but he didn’t deserve to be stabbed. Now he’s a dad with one eye and he could kiss much of his life away, like boxing among other stuff. His cousin btw, is pretty mad that he went out boozing and shot his mouth off.
Now another story, some years back a fellow I know broke up a fight. He was holding a guy down on the floor, just to calm things down. he was just breaking up the fight. My buddy is a very big strong fellow, or at least was 20 years ago.
He was stabbed in the eye, and was blinded permanently.
Now me, I doubt I could handle that guy. I could shoot him, but if he was high, he’ll soak up a lot of bullets, bullets that might overpenetrate at hit an innocent. It was pretty close quarters in there. My knife would be last ditch, and as I said, knives get everyone nervous. I would rather explain shooting the guy as opposed to knifing the guy.
What I would do if I was there and had pepper spray would be to pepper spray him and to hell with everyone else. You can wash that stuff off. I don’t think I could have handled a 100 pound bigger, nastier convicted felon bare handed. Knees don’t break as easy as people think,especially on that guy, and choke holds aren’t all that easy to slap on a fellow.
Especially a crazy bastard drug dealer who’s pissed off and isn’t afraid to use violence. The guy was in prison, I doubt he took yoga classes in there or read Shakespeare.
[quote]catone wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Look friend, if you think Cell Phone Guy mouthed off and cursed and disrespected the woman and had a beating coming and so you stood there and watched the train wreck happen, that’s one thing.
Then again if you watch the video (without the audio) you see a seemingly innocent person almost get their life taken from then and folks just standing around watching, bleating, staring in fear and rightfully so but what you got to understand is that in life and death situations sometimes somebody has go to do something. It’s that simple and yet it is still complicated, I admit.
You seem to be an intelligent guy, how can you even think he was innocent? One doesn’t need the audio to fill in the blanks.
When DO yo u step up to the plate? Do you change the batting order to reflect situations where only your friends’ and loved ones’ safety is at stake? Is that it? Are you that fuckin meticulous in your thought process in a time of duress?
Do you change your whole philosophy if you enter law enforcement or the military? Do you instantly become a different person there? Do you say, “Aw, Push, man, that’s a different deal there, buddy. I’ve GOT to be committed to my fellow man when I’m getting paid for it, dooooood.” Do you only become a do-gooder when you’re forced to or when all the planets are aligned just perfectly?
That’s exactly what I said in previous posts.
I think a lot has to do with one’s upbringing. If you grew up in violent environment where emphasis was on survival of the fittest, constantly being on the verge of fighting, act first think later kind of behavior, then I believe that it would come easier if not even naturally to jump in a fight without considering consequences.
I grew up in a very peaceful environment, always being taught the value of nonviolence, I hung up with people sharing the same values, think twice before anything so yes, this is an ingrained way of thinking for me.
Moreover, I’m an ER doc, I deal with death and human body fragility on a daily basis, I see and have seen hundreds upon hundreds of senseless deaths, disfigurements and human tragedy in the name of “honor”.
Do you know what everybody involved in such a thing repeats over and over again? They all regret the decision made. Mind you, I’m not talking minor stuff, but deaths and serious injuries, weeks or months of hospital stays, disabilities and so forth.
I’ve seen young lives and families destroyed by sheer stupidity, so yes, I’ll think hard before jumping in a fight that would endanger my own life. The stories I hear and experience first hand would make you throw up and maybe you’d think twice before calling rational people “sheep”. I saved many lives doing my job and I plan to do the same as long as I’m healthy to do so. I’m way more valuable to the community by just showing up at work than getting involved in senseless fights.
I don’t expect you to understand but I won’t blame you or call you names for that. If risking your life and your family for the random stranger is worth it for you, than so be it. But don’t go around belittling others for a different opinion.
Sheesh. I aint preachin’ no more sermons here. The vaginal discharges here just smell too foul. You boyz keep on rationalizin’. You’ll work it out in your head somehow to keep your hair from getting messed up.
This last thing just has no place in a civilized discussion. Let alone you have no moral authority to be preaching sermons; you’re more at home talking about vaginal discharges though.
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You’ve saved a lot more lives than me for sure. I’m not saying I would never act, but sometimes doing something just gets someone else hurt as bad. You think my kid cares if I defended some guy or I’m hurt? They want me home safe and healthy.
Again, this doesn’t mean I would never act, but I act cautiously. And i do know some very deadly people, think martial arts instructor, fireams instructor, and knife carrying person all rolled into one. And these folks constantly stress using caution.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
…eye stabbing horror…
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How many people do you know who have been stabbed in the eye???
[quote]nephorm wrote:
tom63 wrote:
…eye stabbing horror…
How many people do you know who have been stabbed in the eye???[/quote]
Two, one last friday, and one 20 + years ago. Knives scar me more than guns.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
tom63 wrote:
…eye stabbing horror…
How many people do you know who have been stabbed in the eye???[/quote]
None… but I am aware that it’s an effective strategy for dealing with bears.
If you value your eyesight don’t hang around with tom63.
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