How Would You Have Reacted?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
“I make little distinction between those who commit evil and those who stand by and do nothing.”

David Gemmell[/quote]

All that stuff is true Push, but sometimes doing something is what you can do. Rendering first aid is something. Calling for help and giving a good description to the cops is something.

Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think I could handle that guy.I also know the dangers of shooting in a situation like this. I’ve taken a course based from Massad Ayoob’s work. The instructors had taken all of his courses and were offering a similar course locally. It’s not like I’m not experienced, but in a crowd like that, my gun comes out and it’s going to have to go off.

Now the problems start for me. 20,000 to 75,00 dollars will be the cost of my defense. There is insurance I’m looking into that would cover me in a good shoot, but I didn’t get it yet. Imagine that, you need to buy insurance to cover yourself in a legal self defense situation.

And you are right if everyone rushed the guy, things might have been different, but most of those folks haven’t been in fights, I’m willing to bet. and to get 5-6 people to rush a fellow in a sudden coordinated manner is impossible.

Personally, I’m sure some of those bystanders testified for the victim, helping to put the guy away. And that is something. Not everyone is capable of kicking ass.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
tom63 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
“I make little distinction between those who commit evil and those who stand by and do nothing.”

David Gemmell

All that stuff is true Push, but sometimes doing something is what you can do. Rendering first aid is something. Calling for help and giving a good description to the cops is something.

Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think I could handle that guy.I also know the dangers of shooting in a situation like this. I’ve taken a course based from Massad Ayoob’s work. The instructors had taken all of his courses and were offering a similar course locally. It’s not like I’m not experienced, but in a crowd like that, my gun comes out and it’s going to have to go off.

Now the problems start for me. 20,000 to 75,00 dollars will be the cost of my defense. There is insurance I’m looking into that would cover me in a good shoot, but I didn’t get it yet. Imagine that, you need to buy insurance to cover yourself in a legal self defense situation.

And you are right if everyone rushed the guy, things might have been different, but most of those folks haven’t been in fights, I’m willing to bet. and to get 5-6 people to rush a fellow in a sudden coordinated manner is impossible.

Personally, I’m sure some of those bystanders testified for the victim, helping to put the guy away. And that is something. Not everyone is capable of kicking ass.

Tom, I think I know you well enough to say my beef is not with you. I understand where you’re coming from. Again, some folks need to reread one of my first posts on this thread where I suggested hustling cell phone guy away from the confrontation.[/quote]

Don’t worry it’s no personal offense taken. I wish more people were active and would help. I just don’t see it getting any better. People with no knowledge or ability will freeze. Coupled with the stuff you hear about being sued, and I can see how it happens.

But I would like to shift he debate to something easier I saw on TV last week. It happened in Connecticut. A fellow was hit while crossing the st. by a driver who ran a red light. The car took off. People saw it and just walked by, around, or just looked. No one stopped to aid the fellow. No one called immediately on a cell phone. Now this sickens me. Someone can go out there and hold the guys hand, call 911 and wait for an ambulance.

It took over 10 minutes for help to arrive. shockingly, some people crossed the street right near the guy, not even looking at him. That’s wrong. anyone could be a help in that situation.

This was caught on one of those traffic cameras btw.

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Some observations:

  1. No matter what the “bystander” did, he did not deserve to be struck even once. Period.

  2. Four years behind bars is not long enough for THAT kind of assault, especially considering the bastard’s prior conviction. I’m absolutely certain he will be a life-long offender of some sort.

  3. Yes, he was big and angry, but he’s still a human (flesh and blood), and CAN be taken out.

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Good ones, Push!

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
“I’m sorry but I have my family and my safety to consider. I must refrain from putting myself in jeopardy.”

~ Some of those in similar situations to Pat Tillman’s, circa 2001
[/quote]

I don’t know where you’re going with the fake quotes or when you’re going to stop. To me, you’re just coming across as bullish and immature. Are you so insecure in your convictions that you have to make up quotes to support your point of view? Reread the whole thread, some people would jump in, some would not and others just speculate what they would’ve done.

Let’s agree to disagree, there’s nothing wrong with that.

And FWIW, you blow this out of proportion, this is no Titanic, American-Mexican war, russian stalinism or german nazism, it’s just a stupid fight in a pizza shop.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
nephorm wrote:
tom63 wrote:

…eye stabbing horror…

How many people do you know who have been stabbed in the eye???

Two, one last friday, and one 20 + years ago. Knives scar me more than guns.

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Was that a typo or do knives scar you more? :slight_smile:

The geezer that got put out deserved a slap for being a twat, OK he got a bit more than a slap but no doubt he has fully recovered now and is a little more sreet wise, I bet he orders his Pizza’s for home delivery too!

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First off I’d help only if I had back-up. This is the problem I see. You jump in on him and she jumps in on you and then he puts you in the hospital. I learned a long time back, if someone isn’t watching your back mind your own business.

Now if the guy showed any sign of having a back bone I would have jumped in to help him. Since he had no intention of defending himself just what do you think he would do for you as you got your ass kicked.

Next in hind sight, the camera would have shown you picking a fight with someone and you going to jail.

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[quote]catone wrote:
pushharder wrote:
“I’m sorry but I have my family and my safety to consider. I must refrain from putting myself in jeopardy.”

~ Some of those in similar situations to Pat Tillman’s, circa 2001

I don’t know where you’re going with the fake quotes or when you’re going to stop. To me, you’re just coming across as bullish and immature. Are you so insecure in your convictions that you have to make up quotes to support your point of view? Reread the whole thread, some people would jump in, some would not and others just speculate what they would’ve done.

Let’s agree to disagree, there’s nothing wrong with that.

And FWIW, you blow this out of proportion, this is no Titanic, American-Mexican war, russian stalinism or german nazism, it’s just a stupid fight in a pizza shop.[/quote]

I believe his point is these are all things that were allowed to happen because the populace took those stances. Take the people in the shop who did nothing and multiply that and you’re looking at the general attitudes of our society…which is unfortunate.