How Would You Have Reacted?

Hanley · June 8, 2008, 11:45pm

For all the would be heroes… A guy who jumped in to help a guy getting a beat down here in Ireland a month ago died in hospital today. THAT’S the situation you’re getting yourself into when you lay your sweet MMA moves down on a guy twice your size.

Oh and for the guys (ie 17/18 year olds) claiming they’d give him a good swift kick to the knee… Grow up. No you wouldn’t. And even if you did the area you’re in is probably too small to do any meaningful damage.

And if you do shatter his knee, you damn sure better move far away and change your name because that is not the shit people forget about or let go of.

shizen · June 8, 2008, 11:49pm

[quote]Hanley wrote:
For all the would be heroes… A guy who jumped in to help a guy getting a beat down here in Ireland a month ago died in hospital today. THAT’S the situation you’re getting yourself into when you lay your sweet MMA moves down on a guy twice your size.

Oh and for the guys (ie 17/18 year olds) claiming they’d give him a good swift kick to the knee… Grow up. No you wouldn’t. And even if you did the area you’re in is probably too small to do any meaningful damage. And if you do shatter his knee, you damn sure better move far away and change your name because that is not the shit people forget about or let go of.[/quote]

Especially a drug dealer, if you don’t kill him your dead. Thats why its best to use your words as your best defense.

Electric_E · June 8, 2008, 11:52pm

Fuck man some people do not even have the balls to speak up on the internet!

I have been involved in a internet argument on a forum and I have people PM me and say stuff like “yeah man I support you 100% that other guy is an asshole”

Well why not say that in the open forum then ya fucking pussy!

skaz05 · June 9, 2008, 12:11am

I probably would have jumped in like this:

That way, he would only have suffered a small crack on the jaw!

Uncle_Gabby · June 9, 2008, 2:37am

[quote]shizen wrote:
Oh yeah forgot to answer question what I would have done.

Realize its hard to tell what the best possible thing to do is in scenarios like this is. I would have tried my best to talk to the black lady agreeing with her and telling her that guys is not worth her time ext.

Basically trying to make her realize that, yeah this is stupid he is just trash. I might not believe the shit I’m saying, but I would play to the emotions of the aggressor to calm a situation down.

If big black guy came in while I was there and didn’t see first part, I would remind him like basically don’t do anything stupid not worth your time to beat on this stupid white guy.

If he did throw a punch I would just get in his way, and again just try my best to keep him from getting more mad and he probably would have left after just one hit-showing that he stood up for his girl-. Then of course called the police.

I like how everyone wants to jump right away too, ‘yeah I would have jumped him, shot him kicked his ass ext’ thats probably the worse thing to do in almost every scenario. You don’t want to escalate things, most people are reasonable.

Though of course there is a small chance where you might be RANDOMLY attacked by a CRAZY individual in this case you defend yourself to the fullest. [/quote]

That’s a pretty good tactic for trying to diffuse a situation like this. The key is how early you intervene. Knowing me, I’d probably wait too late, then step in at the last minute to try to work out a situation that’s too far gone.

tom63 · June 9, 2008, 3:24am

[quote]Makavali wrote:
tom63 wrote:
But I have a family to feed, and if I could is my call. I’m not going to risk myself and my family for some douchebag with a big mouth.

This is also true. I wish I could hear exactly what the guy said on the phone. It’s hard to make a call on that particular situation without the full picture.[/quote]

You really need to learn to not exacerbate a situation. And be prepared for trouble in case something happens. This guy might have done both. And also remember that scumbag felons play by different rules.

One guy has serious injuries, the other guy does jail. I don’t want either to me or my family.

Now in this case, the hittee was interviewed for a fight and passed with flying colors. It would have been best if he just apologized by looking him in the eye.

And been ready for him to swing. If I was in the situation, I would have apologized and tried to back up away from him, giving me some room in case I had to do something. but as soon as he came back in I would have been moving. He should have been more aware, especially after she went calling for someone.

But as bystander, I know this guy isn’t going to pay my legal bills and pay my bills. I take care of my family and myself first, then some bystander if I can. But I protect me and my family above all else.

tom63 · June 9, 2008, 3:28am

[quote]nephorm wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Okay, after high school some people carry guns and knives and such. And some people will use them. And there’s little most people could do at close quarters in a situation such as this. It’s nice and easy when it’s a controlled situation like the hall way between home room and first period, but it’s way different in the real world.

I agree. When someone is that close to you, you do not have the time or maneuverability you think you do. Here is the dilemma you face: this guy is angry and in your face. If you hit him first, then not only have you lost any possibility of this ending peacefully, but you are the one who escalated the situation to physical violence.

If you wait for him to hit you first, there is no guarantee that you will see it coming, be able to block it, or be able to get up afterwards. If you turn around to leave, he is likely to hit you from behind, where you definitely won’t see it coming.

After the little situation I was in, I thought it might be a good idea to carry a knife. Someone pointed a couple of things out to me. First, if the person has not attacked me, and I pull out a knife, I could get in serious legal trouble. Second, if I pull out a knife, I’d better be willing to use it.

It sucks, but the advantage really is with the potential agressor, unless you are well-trained and observant. Being calm and talking your way out of things are preferable.[/quote]

Learn how to use a knife and have your hand on it if he twitches. But here’s the case, knives scream psycho more than a with a pistol and a CCW. This guy swings at me and I knife him fast and hard, I’m gonna have some serious Splaining to do.

I’d rather shoot the guy. That would be horrible to have to do, but knives make everyone shudder, especially cops. Knfing a guy even when your life was being threatened will raise some serious eyebrows.

shizen · June 9, 2008, 3:32am

[quote]tom63 wrote:
But I protect me and my family above all else.
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So if you saw a kid in a burning building, and you might suffer some burns you would not go in there and try to help him out?

In this scenario I already said what i would have done, the guy was an idiot with how he took the situation. But say if I heard a young women screaming for help, being attacked by some drunk better believe I would do something about it even if I slightly risked my safety.

tom63 · June 9, 2008, 3:40am

[quote]nephorm wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Okay, after high school some people carry guns and knives and such. And some people will use them. And there’s little most people could do at close quarters in a situation such as this. It’s nice and easy when it’s a controlled situation like the hall way between home room and first period, but it’s way different in the real world.

I agree. When someone is that close to you, you do not have the time or maneuverability you think you do. Here is the dilemma you face: this guy is angry and in your face. If you hit him first, then not only have you lost any possibility of this ending peacefully, but you are the one who escalated the situation to physical violence.

If you wait for him to hit you first, there is no guarantee that you will see it coming, be able to block it, or be able to get up afterwards. If you turn around to leave, he is likely to hit you from behind, where you definitely won’t see it coming.

After the little situation I was in, I thought it might be a good idea to carry a knife. Someone pointed a couple of things out to me. First, if the person has not attacked me, and I pull out a knife, I could get in serious legal trouble. Second, if I pull out a knife, I’d better be willing to use it.

It sucks, but the advantage really is with the potential agressor, unless you are well-trained and observant. Being calm and talking your way out of things are preferable.[/quote]

You hit the nail on the head when you said being observant. You need to constantly be aware. Thee is a color code system people use to designate various increasing levels of awareness and when you need them. They go white-yellow-orange-red.

White is a dumbass teenaged girl driving on the cell phone. Clueless. Think also mall sheep, or your average woman shopping. Yes, that was sexist, but women really need to crank up their awareness in most situations.

Yellow is were you should be at all times when things are calm. This is paying attention to those around you and your surroundings. Yellow will get you out of a night club alive when there is a fire. You know the exits and so forth. you pay attention in traffic, shopping, everywhere. People in yellow tend to be very polite. They realize others are around them and can pay attention to those nice little things that many don’t, like stepping out of the way, holding a door open for someone behind you.

Orange, si sort of like WTF?! Something is up here. You’re on high alert. You can’t maintain this level of concentration for to long, it will burn you out. Yellow is how you should live.

Red, well think that siren going off and red light flashing. It’s happening, whether it be an accident, attack, disaster, whatever.

But paying attention allows you time to get away, decide to fight , or make another choice. A using your brain choice, not a panic choice.

tom63 · June 9, 2008, 3:46am

[quote]shizen wrote:
tom63 wrote:
But I protect me and my family above all else.

So if you saw a kid in a burning building, and you might suffer some burns you would not go in there and try to help him out?

In this scenario I already said what i would have done, the guy was an idiot with how he took the situation. But say if I heard a young women screaming for help, being attacked by some drunk better believe I would do something about it even if I slightly risked my safety. [/quote]

Stupid question, there are so many variables to this. I’m not a fireman. Fires are very dangerous, of course. How do I know he’s even in there? And so on.

Dumb question. Here’s another reason why. My office burned down in 96. The fire started a few buildings up from me. I was getting some things out until a fireman stopped me. He said it wasn’t safe anymore. He got a few more things out, and that was it. This was a fire that took down four buildings.

Now two days alter I had to go to the hospital. I was having a difficult time breathing and it was getting worse. They said I inhaled some stuff that caused a little damage, btut I would be okay after a breathing treatment. Sine that timne I have suffered from allergies and have a hard time around smoke, breathing wise.

Life isn’t some TV show. Fires are dead serious. Running in to most is a way to get you and the kid dead, just ask some fireman.

tom63 · June 9, 2008, 3:48am

[quote]shizen wrote:
tom63 wrote:
But I protect me and my family above all else.

So if you saw a kid in a burning building, and you might suffer some burns you would not go in there and try to help him out?

In this scenario I already said what i would have done, the guy was an idiot with how he took the situation. But say if I heard a young women screaming for help, being attacked by some drunk better believe I would do something about it even if I slightly risked my safety. [/quote]

Scenario all you want, every one is different. There are times I did intervene, but I never went charging into something recklessly. Scenarios aren’t guns or knives or whatever else is there that you might miss.

catone · June 9, 2008, 3:54am

[quote]Petermus wrote:

I have confronted groups of people and bullies… The first time I slammed the kid against the wall and lifted him off the group by the neck…its funny how fast people who think they’re tough turn into crying pussies when they’re hanging by their neck…

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On a smaller scale, you acted exactly like the big black dude, slamming the “kid” and choking him. Actually you are the bully and you’re not much better than the black mofo but you brag about it and think it was funny.

conorh · June 9, 2008, 4:05am

Honestly, the first thing that came to mind was smashing that big fucker over the head with the cash register. The next thing I thought of was throwing on the rear naked choke when he had his back turned.

I can say though, that I wouldn’t do anything unless I felt confident that I could take him out. I am just not willing to get myself killed or crippled for this situation. If I didn’t I would have just skipped to calling 911 and then rendering first aid to the victim.

catone · June 9, 2008, 4:23am

[quote]Makavali wrote:
tom63 wrote:
But I have a family to feed, and if I could is my call. I’m not going to risk myself and my family for some douchebag with a big mouth.

This is also true. I wish I could hear exactly what the guy said on the phone. It’s hard to make a call on that particular situation without the full picture.[/quote]

Agree with tom63 100%, I’m glad to see rational people with common sense out there.

I don’t understand Makavali though, one post he is the biggest warrior Down Under, jumping in to rescue the poor cellphone guy, next post he’s wishing he’d heard what he said before beating the black guy to a pulp. What if he said something like “fuck the fat black bitch cutting in line”?(which he probably said). Now what do you do? Kick him first? Team up with the big mofo? Call push? Or still risk your eyes, teeth or even life to help the big mouthed guy?

ahzaz · June 9, 2008, 5:01am

[quote]catone wrote:
I don’t understand Makavali though, one post he is the biggest warrior Down Under, jumping in to rescue the poor cellphone guy, next post he’s wishing he’d heard what he said before beating the black guy to a pulp.
[/quote]

Im confused too LOL.

treco · June 9, 2008, 6:43am

Wow!

2 year of reading: name calling, attitude, theoretical ass whipping scenarios, feats of bravado and strength, Spartan regiments and lifestyles, and the like…

I never “knew” there were so many cowards on T-Nation.

Gerg · June 9, 2008, 6:39am

[quote]pushharder wrote:
catone wrote:
Makavali wrote:
tom63 wrote:

Then again if you watch the video (without the audio) you see a seemingly innocent person almost get their life taken from then and folks just standing around watching, bleating, staring in fear and rightfully so but what you got to understand is that in life and death situations sometimes somebody has go to do something. It’s that simple and yet it is still complicated, I admit.

Does “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” mean anything to you “Safety First” People? Anything? Gallantry on a website named “Testosterone Nation” is antiquated?

When DO you step up to the plate? Do you change the batting order to reflect situations where only your friends’ and loved ones’ safety is at stake? Is that it? Are you that fuckin meticulous in your thought process in a time of duress?

Do you change your whole philosophy if you enter law enforcement or the military? Do you instantly become a different person there? Do you say, “Aw, Push, man, that’s a different deal there, buddy. I’ve GOT to be committed to my fellow man when I’m getting paid for it, dooooood.” Do you only become a do-gooder when you’re forced to or when all the planets are aligned just perfectly?

Sheesh. I aint preachin’ no more sermons here. The vaginal discharges here just smell too foul. You boyz keep on rationalizin’. You’ll work it out in your head somehow to keep your hair from getting messed up.

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The video without the audio is not the reality. This was not a person picked out at random. He initiated the exchange, ignored the danger and allowed it to escalate. In may ways he played the part of the victim way before he was struck, but he was never helpless. Well, until he was hit…

If you want to cry “sheep” then fine, then let’s just say I protect my herd first, then others in decending order on the basis of their vulnerability. So: Kids, elderly, women, etc. It also depends on the situation, as I alluded to earlier. Not everything is black and white. I risk my herd on the basis of who needs it most.

I’m almost 40 years into this now, and that philosophy has not changed. It has not kept me out of fights, and has not stopped me from defending others when I need to. I am just more selective on who I choose to risk my well being for.

Electric_E · June 9, 2008, 6:51am

[quote]Gerg wrote:
pushharder wrote:
catone wrote:
Makavali wrote:
tom63 wrote: