[quote]sawahladang wrote:
i’m not interesting in giving my comment.
but, could anyone post a link to some local newspapers’ website reporting this incident?
i just want to know whether justice was served or not.[/quote]
In the video it said the guy got 4 years for the assault
Ok, im not gonna lie, but i SERIOUSLY doubt i’d step in at that point. Im like 5’7-8, around 170. Being 14 facing someone twice my size + age, I wouldnt have dont anything. I MIGHT have tried to calm it down at the start, but not after that. Even if i had a knife i wouldnt. Its just too risky for me. I dont wanna break something thats growing at my age. BUT if i was in most of your people’s position, who are older and more built, i GARUNTEE i woulda stepped in.
I used to be picked on a lot, and when someone else is getting picked on, i stand up for them. Its just this reaction, but i try not to create a fight, settle it peacefully. Sleeper hold that fucker, he doesnt look like hes flexable enough to grab around.
Also, I think he might have insulted her a lot. There were no other black people (as far as i saw) in the crowd. I think he might have said “fat n-er bitch in the camo just cut in line.” Also he called the dude JUST to say that? Notice that AFTER she cuts in line he calls.
(sorry if i insult someone by saying that, but i hope you people are mature enough to not take this personally)
That’s the shortest Pro-Death Penalty case ever presented. Pretty convincing as well.
Just in case someone here has totally lost faith in humanity:
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Just tell the big guy the cops are coming and he better get the fuck out of there.[/quote]
This might’ve worked, but in reality, he probably would have just finished the guy off a little quicker; he already made the decision to cross the line.
Jail is a minor speedbump to hoodlums like that. They live their lives knowing they could be arrested any second, but they don’t give a shit. He gets a four year vacation, and then he’s back out doing the same thing.
I can’t believe the people in here going “Oh man, what if I get hurt? It’s not worth it”.
Christ, grow a pair.
[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
Just in case someone here has totally lost faith in humanity:
parentdish.com [/quote]
Damn man, that kid rocks.
It’s funny everyone in this thread calling them all pussies, would be calling them idiots for getting in his way if he had a gun and went on a rampage.
Its really hard to tell what the best optimum thing to do in an dangerous scenario would be.
The guy did make a mistake in trying to escalate the thing into a fight, he should have just remained calm and apologized-especially when confronted with a guy twice his size-. Sure its not the ‘manly’ thing to do, but it would prevent stupid shit like this from happening. He nearly got killed by trying to pick a fight in a sense.
Should serve as a lesson to a lot of ‘tough guys’ the best thing to do is to avoid shit like this which is easy if you just remain calm and talk your way out of things.
Question: If that cell phone guy pulled out a gun and killed the 300lb dude AFTER he started hitting him, would he end up getting charged with anything?
Is self defense enough of a reason to kill, or must it absolutely positively be life and death?
[quote]Tithonus81 wrote:
Question: If that cell phone guy pulled out a gun and killed the 300lb dude AFTER he started hitting him, would he end up getting charged with anything?
Is self defense enough of a reason to kill, or must it absolutely positively be life and death?[/quote]
If cell phone guy had a gun and waited till after the beating, he’d still be knocked out on the floor.
[quote]Tithonus81 wrote:
Question: If that cell phone guy pulled out a gun and killed the 300lb dude AFTER he started hitting him, would he end up getting charged with anything?
Is self defense enough of a reason to kill, or must it absolutely positively be life and death?[/quote]
self defense cases don’t work really well, if your carrying a gun your pretty much are intending to kill someone is what they will usually try to throw at you. Especially in the case you described, after one punch he shots the guy he is definitely going to prison.
Although say your getting your ass kicked, and your positive you might die and grab something and hit him over the head which happens to kill him you’ll probably get away with it.
Bring back the old west…
Someone attacks you, your hot lead sends them to hell and you move on with your life.
99% of the population would have reacted the same way if placed in the same situation as bystanders. I think its the basic evolutionary human response - freeze up - its a component of the fight or flight reaction. So I can’t blame the bystanders for behaving in an innate fashion, being completely shocked and frozed by fear. They might be fearful for their safety. Or they might be thinking of how to help, but end up doing nothing before its over.
From the first punch, the beating lasted about 20 seconds. I have a passing familarity with the OODA loop(observation,orientation, decision, action) which is the four mental stages you go through in a conflict. Being shocked by something so unexpected you might very well not make it to deciding a course of action and acting in the diminishing timespan of 20 seconds.
Those that can intervene capably when placed in such a situation are atypical. 99% of the population would react like the bystanders, unless they have extensive training, and/or have been repeatedly exposed to such things in their life. You would have to be able to detach yourself emotionally, think quickly and in a semi-logical fashion, deciding on a course of action, overcome inertia and intervene… all within 20 seconds or less. And in reality you would have to react immediately, as the bigger the delay is the less likely you will act at all.
Morally and ethically speaking I HOPE that I would intervene to help the victim in such a case. A lot of times I imagine scenarios like this in my head. But realistically speaking I don’t know what my response would be.
[quote]Willus wrote:
I think its the basic evolutionary human response - freeze up - its a component of the fight or flight reaction. [/quote]
How’s freezing up part of “the fight or flight reaction”?
More like “fright reaction”…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
The sheep industry is healthy even outside of New Zealand.[/quote]
It just disgusts me that people even think that way. So what if you get hurt? You helped someone out, that’s bloody well worth whatever pain you go through.
Fuck I shouldn’t rant. Testosterone my ass. There’s a handful of guys that deserve the title “men” and a flock of sheep.
That is a sweet uppercut the last punch up against the coke machine, that would have rattled anybody
I see a trend here, mostly guys that think the boyfriend could have been brought down easiy, and if you don’t step up and fight you’re less of a man. I submit the following observations:
This was not a fight, this was anti-social violence. MMA and other sports-style combat training may have assisted you, but would not have guaranteed your success in bringing this dude down.
The guy on the cell phone, made a ton of mistakes, starting with talking about the lady, being passive, and ignoring the threat of the much larger , much more street wise boyfriend. In short, he started a shit storm that quickly went out of his control and got his ass whipped. Did he deserve the beatdown he got? No. But thats what happened.
Moral: Don’t write checks you can’t cash.
When you involve yourself in violence with another human being, thre is a risk that one or more persons will be severly, permantly injured or killed. That is the reality of this type of scenario.
I am 5’10", any where from 195-210 lbs depending on what training I am doing at that moment. If I can’t talk him down, I have to bring him down. That requires one of the following:
-immediate, disabiling injury ( for example, snap knee, etc.)
-CNS shut down (i.e. knock out)
-Death
Some of you are younger, with out people who rely on you (wife, kids, other), and / or have limited responsibility. However, if I involve myself in a fight, I have the likelyhood of being arrested (thus losing my job), and probably sued by the injured party. I could also be hurt or killed and unable to work. The question I have to ask myself is: Is my lively hood and the after-effect of this choice worth me losing everything to intercede because this guy is a passive ass? Nope.
Also, if my wife and kids are with me I have other priorities to consider, i.e. keeping them safe and out of the maelstrom.
That being said, would I have done something? Probably, if I was alone and saw it was going as far as it did. If it was a dude against a female, definately. If it was one of my friends or family, definately. But there are more factors than just: do nothing = pussy, do something = “real” man.
[quote]Gerg wrote:
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Actually, according to Mr. Larkin that IS social violence.
[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
Gerg wrote:
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Actually, according to Mr. Larkin that IS social violence.[/quote]
Tim Larkin? I would think he would say this is aesocial (sp?)violence. I have read some of his blogs, but I am not that familiar with all of his work.
I don’t understand what you mean by “social” violence. This violence, by nature is anti-social.