[quote]mr_slick wrote:
Most people prefer to carry a knife,I just need a sip of liquid courage to jump in. But honestly,Id be scarred to jump in. I wouldn’t go for it unless I knew I was going to win or someone helped me.
Btw,With the liberal justice system the way it is today theose Animals would have been portrayed as victims and the guy getting attacked would have been the white,racist. [/quote]
Funny how the Nazi avatar guy, who starts in with a liberal bash, admits he’d do what is assumed most pacifist liberals would do…NOTHING!
Justice begins ON THE SCENE, too.
It’s not about winning, doofus. It’s about taking a step and doing what’s right. Heroes aren’t standing there thinking how it will effect them, they just react!
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Once down, everyone could jump his blubbery ass.
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They “could”, but I doubt they would, unfortunately.
If you’re significantly smaller than this guy, anything short of a blunt object to his head, or you being some sort of trained submission expert, and you’re more likely to enrage him further.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
It’s not about winning, doofus. It’s about taking a step and doing what’s right. Heroes aren’t standing there thinking how it will effect them, they just react!
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Courage is a mean between recklessness and cowardice. I do not think there is any virtue in attacking someone that large unless you have some sort of plan, even if that plan is saying to the guys next to you “come on, let’s rush him.”
I have been in a similar situation, in which I was the guy being confronted for some cute little comment my girlfriend at the time should not have made. Her “friends” were standing all around, and not a single person did or said a damned thing. I handled it exactly as I explained earlier. Eventually, the guy turned around and left. Afterwards, I heard a lot of “we had your back,” etc. Yeah, right.
Having been in this situation more than a few times, I know how I would have reacted. If I got to them before violence ensued, I would have tried talking him down. I’ve done that more than enough times working security in various clubs.
If he still felt the need for violence, then I would have handled him accordingly. It may sound like I’m boasting or whatever, but I’ve encountered this situation too much to just stand by. Call it a hero complex, but I do have a problem with just standing still while something like that happens.
[quote]Beast27195 wrote:
Call it a hero complex, but I do have a problem with just standing still while something like that happens. [/quote]
I hope most people would.
If not, I hope they would AT LEAST feel awful for a good bit of time afterwards, looking at the situation in retrospect.
If I froze in a situation like that and did nothing, I would feel like absolute shit afterwards, and probably head straight out and get some serious hand-to-hand combat training.
[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
Beast27195 wrote:
Call it a hero complex, but I do have a problem with just standing still while something like that happens.
I hope most people would.
If not, I hope they would AT LEAST feel awful for a good bit of time afterwards, looking at the situation in retrospect.
If I froze in a situation like that and did nothing, I would feel like absolute shit afterwards, and probably head straight out and get some serious hand-to-hand combat training.[/quote]
Well for me, I was once the kid that was picked on, so as soon as I started getting stronger and such, I ensured I didn’t get picked on again. I then extended that to my friends and family. It seemed to just escalate from there as I got older. Can be troublesome, but so far, I’m still here.
damn dude is 300 lbs and it took 7 shots to put that guy down? what a fuckin pussy. 1 on 1 hed probaly take me but if i was there with a couple of my boys i woulda broke a damn pepper shaker over his head. fuck a fair one.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Makavali wrote:
lixy wrote:
Do we know what the guy actually said on the phone?
Something about the woman. Hence the “I’m the only one in here wearing camo” shit.
I know that. But there’s a difference between saying “someone in camo just cut the line” and “an uncivilized fat person in camo cut the line” and I just inquired about the degree of provocation - if any.[/quote]
based on the reaction
I would put money on him saying something like
some fat N-word in camo just blah blah blah
either that or she was just bat shit crazy and made a big deal out of nothing.
oh and beast I also was the kid that got picked on
I didnt have to get stronger before I made sure no one messed with me again
I snapped and went crazy and I started looking for fights,mainly with people biggert han myself.
like one time my mom was waiting for me outside after school (she tried sending me to a school outside my district to keep me from fighting) as I was beating some high school kid with my bike chain for making fun of my weird speech i had.
I was 7th grade I think he was about 17
she laughed at first then beat my butt bad when i got home for being an asshole.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
It’s not about winning, doofus. It’s about taking a step and doing what’s right. Heroes aren’t standing there thinking how it will effect them, they just react!
Courage is a mean between recklessness and cowardice. I do not think there is any virtue in attacking someone that large unless you have some sort of plan, even if that plan is saying to the guys next to you “come on, let’s rush him.”
I have been in a similar situation, in which I was the guy being confronted for some cute little comment my girlfriend at the time should not have made. Her “friends” were standing all around, and not a single person did or said a damned thing. I handled it exactly as I explained earlier. Eventually, the guy turned around and left. Afterwards, I heard a lot of “we had your back,” etc. Yeah, right.[/quote]
Good post. It’s easy to say I would have done this or that posting on the Internet after seeing video. Quite another to actually be there and see what one would do. I don’t like behavior like the big drug dealer was giving. And, in that situation I would have wanted to act, but I would have thought it out.
The guy was huge a lot bigger then me and being a drug dealing felon was likely packing heat or a knife. If I spotted an opportunity to grab a weapon like a blunt object and while his attention was diverted, I would have taken it and clocked him.
Or as Neph said If I could have discreetly and quickly made an agreement with another patron to rush him and put him out of commission. Those are the risks in that situation I would be willing to take. If an opportunity didn’t present itself at the very least I would have yelled out to him that the police are on the way to hopefully get him to stop the attack.
However, to just go gangbusters and start acting like Superman might quickly get you killed and even other patrons if the guy pulled a gun and just started blasting. If you enjoy your life and being with your loved ones it’s best to use caution and sense then decide you’re the caped crusader. If I was a larger guy like Bauer and the odds were more stacked in my favor then the rear choke hold would be considered.
[quote]nichaaron wrote:
based on the reaction
I would put money on him saying something like
some fat N-word in camo just blah blah blah
either that or she was just bat shit crazy and made a big deal out of nothing.
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I’m betting on the latter. A lot of people walk around pissed off all the time and almost aching to lash out at someone. The guy “justified” her anger for that moment in time.
Back on topic: how would I have reacted? I really don’t know. I’d like to say I would’ve done something like try to defuse the situation when the big guy came in, but I don’t know if I’d really do it.
It’s psychologically natural to stand there and do nothing in such situations. I forgot, but there’s a proper name for this order of behaviour. Having said that, it’s still a shame nobody helped. If I was the guy being attacked, I would have hid/ran, which is always the smartest thing to do IN ANY SUCH SITUATION. For all we know, this guy had another 2 buddies in the car/a knife/a gun/ etc.
So, please, let’s be real. If I were a bystander, the maximum I would have attempted is a jump to rear choke. And even so… I’ve never been in a situation like this before, so I have no clue how I would’ve reacted, realistically. I’d rather leave it at that than go on and on about how I’d hypothetically disable a violent guy who has a 125 pound advantage on me.
It’s called “bystander phenomena” or “pluralistic ignorance”. This has been a topic of social and psychological research since Kitty Genovese was murdered on the streets of Queens, NY in 1964, while at least 32 people looked on and did nothing.
cause everyone is standing there waiting for someone ELSE to do something. everyones mentality is “well if HE DID something THEN i WOULD have…” yea right fuck outta here.
There are at least 10 others in that video, not including the ones that were directly involved. The area the incident occurred in was very small. Although I would have loved to see a different outcome, it simply would not have been worth everyone else’s safety. The most responsible thing to do would be to not to escalate the situation, try to diffuse it if at all possible, and observe as many details as you can. This could be perceived as the chicken shit way out of it however, which is the lesser of two evils - one guy being beaten or possibly 10 other people being hurt…or worse?
A lot of people jumping in saying they would do this or that don’t realize that when someone is that big and that strong, it really is hard to even hurt them. Unless you’ve trained in some MMA for YEARS, taking someone like that out is damn near impossible. The guy was just bigger, stronger, and more aggressive.
The only thing to do is try to get the white dude to apologize instead of watching him make the enormous guy even more angry before he gets clocked. Step in, try to talk it out for them, and for the love of god, don’t put your hands on the drug dealer. If you do, it’s probably curtains.