I believe push would’ve diffused the situation with his ass-less chaps!
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
powercleaned his woman through the window first.[/quote]
I giggled at this. In a manly way, of course.
[quote]SWR wrote:
What’s with all the assumptions that she was called anything worse than “some lady” by the guy on the phone?
She called him out by saying “I’m the only one in camouflage”. Don’t you think if he used any other word, such as “bitch” or even “rude” she’d jump on one of those words as her excuse to scream at the guy?
Guy on the phone should have brought to her attention that there is a line, she would probably still flip out and say she just had to ask a question (which she could have been doing), but at least he wouldn’t look like such a pussy talking loud on the phone so she could hear it, hoping she gets the point and goes to the back of the line.
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I want to be very clear that I don’t think the guy on the phone deserved the beating, but I do believe he started it. Look at the video again. She comes in, says something we can’t hear to another guy, who glances at her and shifts over a bit. I believe the something she said was some version of “excuse me.” Why I think that is that the guy didn’t frown at her, didn’t even seem to think twice before reflexively letting her past. She comes to the counter and before there’s time for her to ask a question (“can I have a menu?” “what’s the wait?” “can you tell me where there’s a pay phone?”) cell phone guy is saying something loudly enough for her (hence for everyone) to hear.
Now, it’s possible that he said “there’s a person in camouflage cutting in line,” sure. But what are the odds? He’s going to describe her clothes to his phone companion, but nothing else? No. Plus, there’s her outrage. Why would she keep begging the store manager to listen to what the cell phone guy was saying if he wasn’t saying anything nasty?
I can’t help but wonder why no one’s asking why the people in that store didn’t react to the public ridicule the woman was almost certainly being subjected to? I honestly can’t imagine that happening if I’d walked into that pizza place and went to the counter. But then, I’m white, slender, well dressed, and about as threatening as a bowl of vegetable soup. Not only would cell phone guy not have talked about me that way, but if he did I believe the guys standing around would have reacted.
[quote]sheepmullet wrote:
Looking at serious eye accidents 85% of them are caused by accident. In fact looking at most injuries most of them are by accident. (Source: http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WS/9339/9961.html )[/quote]
And they other 15% are tom63’s buddies.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
sheepmullet wrote:
Looking at serious eye accidents 85% of them are caused by accident. In fact looking at most injuries most of them are by accident. (Source: http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WS/9339/9961.html )
And they other 15% are tom63’s buddies.[/quote]
Hahahaha! you know, that’s a lot funnier the more I think about it. You’ll put your eye out, aside from Christmas Story, anyone over 40 heard that so often as a kid. Now here I am warning about putting your eye out.
Here’s another story where an eye wasn’t put out: The friend I described a little while back was out once with his kid. this was a little over 20 years ago. A local thug, tough guy started after him. this guy was about 6’2" and 250+ with steroid prison muscles.
Now my friend is a trained martial artist and had a little rep as being tough. The other fella had a rep for starting fights for a multitude of reasons, fun, mad, boredom, etc. My friend did win, but it took app. 200 shots to this guy until he dropped. and of course, they weren’t all head shots, but blows everywhere. He told me that he thought he was going to have to shoot him, which is what he was trying to avoid.
Shooting is messy in many ways as we all know. He figured that the fella was amped up on coke or meth or something else. Big strong, belligerent, fellas don’t always go down easily, especially when they’re high.
Every situation is different and if you can’t avoid it, you have to fight like hell with everything you have. But be very careful before diving into something.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I can’t help but wonder why no one’s asking why the people in that store didn’t react to the public ridicule the woman was almost certainly being subjected to? I honestly can’t imagine that happening if I’d walked into that pizza place and went to the counter. But then, I’m white, slender, well dressed, and about as threatening as a bowl of vegetable soup. Not only would cell phone guy not have talked about me that way, but if he did I believe the guys standing around would have reacted.
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I get pissed when someone appears to be cutting in line too. I know she might not have been, and he looked like he jumped to that conclusion too quickly, but I highly doubt that he would have been any less pissed if you did the same.
Sounds like you’re looking for it to be sexist or racist, when there’s nothing in the video to suggest that, except the preconceived notion you have about the white guy and you’re assumptions about how he thinks based on how he looks.
And if he did, I don’t think others would have spoken up about what he said loudly on your phone. Might have gotten a look and/or an eye-roll; that’s all.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Now, it’s possible that he said “there’s a person in camouflage cutting in line,” sure. But what are the odds? He’s going to describe her clothes to his phone companion, but nothing else? No. Plus, there’s her outrage. Why would she keep begging the store manager to listen to what the cell phone guy was saying if he wasn’t saying anything nasty?
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I would say it was highly likely he didn’t say anything racist. Otherwise she would have jumped on it and been making a big deal about it. Note that she said “I’m the only one in camo”, she didn’t say “I’m the only black person”. This leads me to believe that the insult was along the lines of “Some bitch in camo just pushed in front” or “Some fatty in camo just pushed in front”.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I can’t help but wonder why no one’s asking why the people in that store didn’t react to the public ridicule the woman was almost certainly being subjected to? I honestly can’t imagine that happening if I’d walked into that pizza place and went to the counter. But then, I’m white, slender, well dressed, and about as threatening as a bowl of vegetable soup. Not only would cell phone guy not have talked about me that way, but if he did I believe the guys standing around would have reacted.
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That is why I believe that she was pushing in line (or most people in the store thought she was). Pushing in line is a big deal to a lot of people. Now the guy in front might not have minded her pushing in because he would be served very soon anyway but to the people further back it is bullshit.
And it doesn’t matter that you are white, slender and well dressed. If you had pushed in line people would be bitching about you. Probably more so. In fact he probably would have said “Stupid rich bitch just pushed into the front of the line. Bet she thinks shes better than us”.
Women thinking they are better than everyone else and pushing in line happens a lot. And people really don’t like it.
And they didn’t react to her public ridicule? She goes psycho about 5 seconds after he has finished speaking. Where is the time to react? Or maybe they didn’t defend her because the guy didn’t say anything that bad.
If you had been at the front of the line and someone had said something about you (that we couldn’t hear) and you turned and got your massive drug dealing boyfriend to come in like it was a practiced maneuver, we would think you were crazy. And crazy people do crazy things for no reason. So it is certainly plausible that he didn’t say anything bad.
[quote]sheepmullet wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
Now, it’s possible that he said “there’s a person in camouflage cutting in line,” sure. But what are the odds? He’s going to describe her clothes to his phone companion, but nothing else? No. Plus, there’s her outrage. Why would she keep begging the store manager to listen to what the cell phone guy was saying if he wasn’t saying anything nasty?
I would say it was highly likely he didn’t say anything racist. Otherwise she would have jumped on it and been making a big deal about it. Note that she said “I’m the only one in camo”, she didn’t say “I’m the only black person”. This leads me to believe that the insult was along the lines of “Some bitch in camo just pushed in front” or “Some fatty in camo just pushed in front”.
EmilyQ wrote:
I can’t help but wonder why no one’s asking why the people in that store didn’t react to the public ridicule the woman was almost certainly being subjected to? I honestly can’t imagine that happening if I’d walked into that pizza place and went to the counter. But then, I’m white, slender, well dressed, and about as threatening as a bowl of vegetable soup. Not only would cell phone guy not have talked about me that way, but if he did I believe the guys standing around would have reacted.
That is why I believe that she was pushing in line (or most people in the store thought she was). Pushing in line is a big deal to a lot of people. Now the guy in front might not have minded her pushing in because he would be served very soon anyway but to the people further back it is bullshit.
And it doesn’t matter that you are white, slender and well dressed. If you had pushed in line people would be bitching about you. Probably more so. In fact he probably would have said “Stupid rich bitch just pushed into the front of the line. Bet she thinks shes better than us”.
Women thinking they are better than everyone else and pushing in line happens a lot. And people really don’t like it.
And they didn’t react to her public ridicule? She goes psycho about 5 seconds after he has finished speaking. Where is the time to react? Or maybe they didn’t defend her because the guy didn’t say anything that bad.
If you had been at the front of the line and someone had said something about you (that we couldn’t hear) and you turned and got your massive drug dealing boyfriend to come in like it was a practiced maneuver, we would think you were crazy. And crazy people do crazy things for no reason. So it is certainly plausible that he didn’t say anything bad.[/quote]
Also true, I hate line jumpers. Here’s something no one touched on, did the woman get charged with anything? I’m not sure what she could be charged with, but getting my boyfriend is escalating this farther. I’d make sure I’d sue her ass, along with the gorilla. Maybe they don’t have anything, but sometimes clowns do win the lottery.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0502/23/lol.01.html
GARY LIBERATORE, WJW REPORTER (voice-over): Several people wait in line at DaVinci’s Pizza. A woman comes in, looks at the crowd and proceeds to go right to front of the line. A man in the middle of the line gets a call from his girlfriend.
JOE SCARPINO, CUSTOMER: She asked me what happened, what was taking so long. I said, “Well, it’s going to take a little longer now. Somebody just jumped in front of us.”
She goes, “Who?”
I said, “Some lady wearing camouflage.” And she overheard it, and that’s when it all broke out and started.
LIBERATORE: The woman who cut in line proceeds to get into this guy’s face. She then goes outside and comes back in. The employee tries to calm her down, and she spits on him.
He goes after her, but then the woman’s 300-pound boyfriend comes in. The employee then retreats back behind the counter. And she continues to go at the guy in line, actually hits him in the face using a racial slur.
SCARPINO: She wanted to get loud and jump up in my face, and I told her I don’t hit women.
PRESINA SIMS, CUSTOMER: Let’s go, yes, you, (expletive deleted).
SCARPINO: I guess I kept on getting hit. The only thing I remember, really, was having my hands out in front of me. But by that time, you know, they probably hit me five or six more times.
LIBERATORE: This, while each and every person in the place stands by and watches.
SCARPINO: I had a cerebral concussion, a fractured tooth, a broken nose.
LIBERATORE: Joe Scarpino says some of the pain to his head is still there, and he still gets headaches.
SIMS: Yes, you (EXPLETIVE).
LIBERATORE: A jury has found Mark Jones guilty of felonious assault. He’ll now spend the next four years in prison.
SCARPINO: If the video wasn’t there, I think he would have got off quite a bit lighter, you know, because there was really no actual cuts or anything on me. He didn’t break skin. Everything was sort of internal.
I believe the woman (Prestia Sims) got two years probation.
Woman gets probation for siccing boyfriend on man. Judge offers to facilitate meeting of prosecutors, woman’s backers
By Phil Trexler
Beacon Journal staff writer
The Akron woman seen on videotape spitting on a pizza shop manager and then siccing her boyfriend on a customer was sentenced to probation Thursday.
Prestina Sims, 31, also was ordered to undergo anger management classes and perform 50 hours of community service after pleading no contest to a charge of felonious assault.
Summit County Common Pleas Judge Brenda Burnham Unruh found her guilty but suspended a two-year prison term and placed Sims on probation for two years.
The judge also extended an olive branch of sorts, offering to facilitate a meeting between prosecutors and supporters of Sims, who contend the woman has been prosecuted twice for the same crime.
Sims believed she was resolving the case in August when she pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in Akron Municipal Court and served six months in jail.
County prosecutors, however, contend that sentence was for her actions against the manager of DaVinci’s Pizza in downtown Akron. They say the additional charge resulted from her actions toward the customer.
In a widely viewed videotape – part of the pizza shop’s security system – Sims confronts pizza customer Joseph Scarpino, 28, believing he had insulted her as she walked to the counter of the busy pizzeria in July.
When the manager tried to calm Sims, she spat on him. She then instructed her boyfriend, Mark Jones, to beat up Scarpino. Jones did, pummeling Scarpino while a half-dozen male customers looked on.
Jones, 35, was convicted at trial and was sentenced by Unruh to four years in prison.
Scarpino did not attend Thursday’s hearing.
Assistant prosecutor Becky Doherty opposed Sims’ probation, asking Unruh to send the defendant to prison for an unspecified period.
Sims and her lawyer, Walter Madison, said they intend to continue their legal fight on appeal. They contend that county prosecutors should abide by the plea offer that Sims reached with Akron prosecutors.
The video images of the beating brought a national spotlight on the case and sparked debates about race and social behavior. Sims is black and both victims – the pizza manager and the customer – are white.
At a town meeting in March, supporters of Sims questioned whether she was being targeted with the two sets of charges because of her race.
Madison said again Thursday that his issue is and will continue to be that the first plea didn’t end the matter.
Thursday’s hearing was attended by three local church ministers and Ophelia Averitt, the Akron president of the NAACP. All support Sims in her effort to appeal her case. And they support Unruh’s call for a meeting with prosecutors.
The judge was very sensitive,'' said the Rev. Melford Elliott, pastor of Greater Bethel Baptist Church in Akron. I just love what the judge suggested. It shows she has compassion and that she is forthcoming in trying to facilitate change. We still have some problems, because this case is like double jeopardy.‘’
County prosecutors have argued – and Unruh has agreed in previous rulings – that even if Sims’ initial plea applied to Scarpino’s beating, they are not bound by plea agreements reached by city prosecutors.
[quote]anonym wrote:
“Well, it’s going to take a little longer now. Somebody just jumped in front of us.”
“Some lady wearing camouflage.”[/quote]
Having read this, now I can say I would have done something.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Gerg wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Gerg wrote:
pushharder wrote:
catone wrote:
Makavali wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Then again if you watch the video (without the audio) you see a seemingly innocent person almost get their life taken from then and folks just standing around watching, bleating, staring in fear and rightfully so but what you got to understand is that in life and death situations sometimes somebody has go to do something. It’s that simple and yet it is still complicated, I admit.
Does “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” mean anything to you “Safety First” People? Anything? Gallantry on a website named “Testosterone Nation” is antiquated?
When DO you step up to the plate? Do you change the batting order to reflect situations where only your friends’ and loved ones’ safety is at stake? Is that it? Are you that fuckin meticulous in your thought process in a time of duress?
Do you change your whole philosophy if you enter law enforcement or the military? Do you instantly become a different person there? Do you say, “Aw, Push, man, that’s a different deal there, buddy. I’ve GOT to be committed to my fellow man when I’m getting paid for it, dooooood.” Do you only become a do-gooder when you’re forced to or when all the planets are aligned just perfectly?
Sheesh. I aint preachin’ no more sermons here. The vaginal discharges here just smell too foul. You boyz keep on rationalizin’. You’ll work it out in your head somehow to keep your hair from getting messed up.
The video without the audio is not the reality. This was not a person picked out at random. He initiated the exchange, ignored the danger and allowed it to escalate. In may ways he played the part of the victim way before he was struck, but he was never helpless. Well, until he was hit…
Why did you so carefully edit my quote to exclude, “Look friend, if you think Cell Phone Guy mouthed off and cursed and disrespected the woman and had a beating coming and so you stood there and watched the train wreck happen, that’s one thing”?
Why?
I agree that the audio is an important part of the whole equation and could cast a whole new light on the discussion.
Because the majority of your post had to do with an innocent person getting assaulted, based on the idea that “if you listened with the audio off”. Then goes onto the question of “when do you step in?”.
So, if you choose not to intercede beacuse the guy “had it coming”, it’s okay because you made a choice to be indignant, but if you stand there doing nothing because you were frightened, “part of the herd”, etc. its not okay? Whats the difference in the end? You still did nothing. And sometimes, thats okay because the circumstances dictate it. Think of a person drowning. Do you jump in, or grab the rope and throw it to them? You throw the rope first because you might get dragged under too.
Lastly, the discussion is the situation in total: audio, visual, the actions of all involved, including the people who stood by and did nothing, the size of the room, the type of floor and the time of day, and the type of neiborhood. It all matters. Once you take a piece of this puzzle out, then the situation changes and the actions / reactions change as well as what the course of action may dictate.
No audio available to the version I watched but if it was available to you and you heard a reprehensible exchange of unpleasantries to the extent that you felt CPG needed an ass whipping then sure, debate it in that context.
I just saw what appeared to be an innocent person almost lose his life and so I was debating it in THAT context. Savvy?[/quote]
I’m not sure there could have been anything SAID that could warrant what happened to the guy…?
What kind of world do we live in where (postulating) a racial slur can get you put in the hospital with permanent damage, and that’s ok because he deserved it? Not defending racism or bigotry, I hate it as well, but I fail to see the need for a hospital visit… even if he did say the big N word.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
anonym wrote:
“Well, it’s going to take a little longer now. Somebody just jumped in front of us.”
“Some lady wearing camouflage.”
Having read this, now I can say I would have done something.[/quote]
I read somewhere else that the bystanders at first said they didn’t do anything because they were too scared, but later secretly admitted that, actually, they didn’t really care as long as it wasn’t them.
I gotta hit the gym now, but maybe I’ll try to dig that up later. Of course, now that everyone has the necessary names they can do their own research.
Oh, and sorry to everyone about posting the whole articles here (I always hate it when people do that). The first was done so you all didn’t have to hunt through the whole page of transcripts for that part, and the second article I got off a message board that didn’t provide a link.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
sheepmullet wrote:
That is why I believe that she was pushing in line (or most people in the store thought she was). Pushing in line is a big deal to a lot of people. Now the guy in front might not have minded her pushing in because he would be served very soon anyway but to the people further back it is bullshit.
And it doesn’t matter that you are white, slender and well dressed. If you had pushed in line people would be bitching about you. Probably more so. In fact he probably would have said “Stupid rich bitch just pushed into the front of the line. Bet she thinks shes better than us”.
Women thinking they are better than everyone else and pushing in line happens a lot. And people really don’t like it.
And they didn’t react to her public ridicule? She goes psycho about 5 seconds after he has finished speaking. Where is the time to react? Or maybe they didn’t defend her because the guy didn’t say anything that bad.
If you had been at the front of the line and someone had said something about you (that we couldn’t hear) and you turned and got your massive drug dealing boyfriend to come in like it was a practiced maneuver, we would think you were crazy. And crazy people do crazy things for no reason. So it is certainly plausible that he didn’t say anything bad.
Also true, I hate line jumpers. Here’s something no one touched on, did the woman get charged with anything? I’m not sure what she could be charged with, but getting my boyfriend is escalating this farther. I’d make sure I’d sue her ass, along with the gorilla. Maybe they don’t have anything, but sometimes clowns do win the lottery.
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I totally agree about line jumpers (in stores, in traffic, whatever). I don’t do it, and don’t condone her doing it or suggest there should be sympathy for her doing it. My only point was that it wasn’t at all obvious in the tape that she DID cut. I thought her exchange with the other guy in line suggested otherwise. I also thought her exchange with the manager suggested otherwise. And then she went berserk, which I don’t/didn’t deny.
anonym’s transcript clarifies (to the extent that one believes the cell phone guy’s version of events). So ok! I was wrong. I’m still startled that no one seemed to view anything before the boyfriend’s attack critically at all.
As for me, I meant well dressed to mean…middle America. White. Not dressed all fancy to go get my pizza. (LOL) And I would have been quick to diffuse things if rumblings started about my move to the counter (“I just need directions!”). But that’s an advantage I have, I can explain myself before people start getting nasty. People who look like the people in that pizza place are inclined to believe me.
The question was, I believe, how we would have reacted, presumably in hopes of saving the cell phone guy. I thought (and still think) that treating the woman politely (“excuse me, there’s a line”) would have helped.
As for this:[quote]
Women thinking they are better than everyone else and pushing in line happens a lot. And people really don’t like it.[/quote]
Hahaha. Charming.
[i]Why can’t a woman be more like a man?
Men are so honest, so thoroughly square;
Eternally noble, historically fair…
Why can’t a woman take after a man?
Men are so pleasant, so easy to please.
Whenever you’re with them, you’re always at ease…
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Men are so … easy to please.[/quote]
This is true enough.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
anonym wrote:
“Well, it’s going to take a little longer now. Somebody just jumped in front of us.”
“Some lady wearing camouflage.”
Having read this, now I can say I would have done something.[/quote]
Having read this, I’m convinced the legal system is broken…that woman should have done time…that probation shit is bullshit and the four years he got isn’t enough for that kind of assault.
They should garnish both tubby and his monkey girlfriend’s wages to pay for the victim’s hospital bill.
The woman should have done time for sure. Tried twice for the same crime? Bullshit, she assaulted the manager and the customer. Two crimes, dummy!
[quote]Makavali wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
Men are so … easy to please.
This is true enough.[/quote]
Hahahah well thats what I thought she meant too 
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
As for this:
Women thinking they are better than everyone else and pushing in line happens a lot. And people really don’t like it.
Hahaha. Charming.
[i]Why can’t a woman be more like a man?
Men are so honest, so thoroughly square;
Eternally noble, historically fair…
Why can’t a woman take after a man?
Men are so pleasant, so easy to please.
Whenever you’re with them, you’re always at ease…
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Women think they are better and so push in front. Men think they are better and go to the back of the line anyway :P.
[quote]sheepmullet wrote:
Makavali wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
Men are so … easy to please.
This is true enough.
Hahahah well thats what I thought she meant too :)[/quote]
How could I have questioned your critical thinking skills? Silly me.