[quote]gregron wrote:
Isnt it pretty damn obvious that the OP is just trolling?
This thread reminds me of something that should be over in PWI… Stupid pointless arguments that just go round and round and round.[/quote]
I would think it’s more like SAMA where someone posts pretending to know something but in reality he’s a zit faced virgin loser.
[quote]wramsey wrote:
[quote]ReignIB wrote:
Actually OP’s point of view - “I do it cuz I can” is fine imho.
If in his situation it’s worth risking not paying $10 and potentially getting kicked out - it’s his personal decision whether to do it or not and potentially pay for consequences.
His attempts to justify this approach by attacking others, by hating on gym owners etc are rather weak though. [/quote]
“Attacking others” and “hating on gym owners” is good fun but not a justification for going to a gym for free… [/quote]
fair enough, not sure why you get all uptight when someone calls you a troll then.
It’s stealing . 4$ for a beer ? 10$ for a movie?
But 10$ is to much for a 1-2 hour workout ?
Ever pay a light bill? Liability insurance? Business insurance? Taxes?
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Isnt it pretty damn obvious that the OP is just trolling?
This thread reminds me of something that should be over in PWI… Stupid pointless arguments that just go round and round and round.[/quote]
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Hahahahahaha damn what a thread of total horse shit. OP is a walking douche and troll. He is trying to justify stealing and he probably just uses the treadmill and stair master anyway.
On a side note I thought if you had a membership to Golds you could go to any in the country? I know some of the big chains suck balls, but do they have the same deal?
[quote]wramsey wrote:
So if I go to a gym, they have to pay for gym equipment, employees, etc. Ok I agree with that. But if I don’t go, then they DON’T have to pay for all that? Oh that’s right, they pay for that shit whether or not I lift there. Thus I’m not costing them anything when I lift there.
You’re fucking stupid. Learn some Economics 101 and google rivalry and excludability. I can’t be bothered to explain a simple distinction to you. Going to a gym for free is not rival (unless super packed I guess) and in my case not excludable.
And you’re REALLY fucking stupid because if you had any reading comprehension whatsoever, you’d realize that this is completely irrelevant to my main point since I DON’T GIVE A FUCK IF IT COST THEM THEIR ENTIRE BUSINESS.
If I could do something for free I would, and they can burn to the ground for all I care, so long as it burns after I’m done with it. I never said “BECAUSE it’s not costing the gym anything THAT JUSTIFIES me not paying.”
I don’t need any justification, I just fucking do it. Problem? The only reason I said anything about cost at all was to reply to people who said I was costing the gym, which I’m not. I couldn’t be any clearer about any of this.
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Hey, calm down there Trolly, no need for all the cussing and name calling. If you’re really gonna get this butt hurt over it, feel free to PM me, I’ll gladly tell you what city I’m in and we can meet and test your little might is right theory next time work sends you to Cali. Anyways, back to your flawed arguments…
I agree, you don’t cost the gym anything when you’re not there. However, the moment you walk through to door, you do cost the gym money. They now have employees that have to focus on you. Everything from ringing up that Gatorade to washing your towel. You’re using their equipment equates to wear and tear on the equipment, maybe minimal amounts, but wear and tear none the less. Water used during your shower.
Sure, you can argue that the employees were going to get paid anyways, but they still then have to provide a service to you. And what about liability while you’re there. You’re ass goes in and hurts yourself, now they have to deal with your ass trying to sue them, after you stole from them.
Can’t be bothered to explain the distinction to me because you obviously don’t understand it yourself. ‘A good or service is said to be excludable when it is possible to prevent people who have not paid for it from having access to it…’ In other words, you don’t pay for the good or service, you don’t get it. Cable tv, music, gym use, etc. Sure, there are ways around this (tv splitters, pirating, stealing, etc) but this doesn’t mean it is non-excludable. It simply means it is being stolen.
And once it is discovered, people are fined, jailed, what have you. In order for a gym to be non-excludable, which your ignorant self seems to think it is, the gym owner has to have no right to remove you from the premises. However, they do, they can even call the police and have you escorted out (or arrested for trespassing if say they asked you to leave and you refused).
And I don’t lack reading comprehension. I fully understand that your ignorant and selfish ass doesn’t care if they lose their business. And please, keep ranting about reading comprehension. Where in my post did I ever say I thought that you felt that zero cost equaled justification. The only reason I brought up cost was because YOU said ‘When someone lifts at the gym, there’re not costing the gym anything. A car driving on the road doesn’t cost the state more than if they hadn’t driven on the road.’
And you’re right, you couldn’t be any clearer that you’re an ignorant, self-centered, child who feels they have the right to take whatever they want for free. You’re a criminal. Using services and not paying for them, simply because you feel you can. This is essentially the same thing as dining-and-dashing, which you claim not to do.
You have made many things quite clear. First and foremost is that you’re either a troll, a pussy who talks big but wouldn’t do any of this in real life, or and simple, and unintelligent, criminal.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Isnt it pretty damn obvious that the OP is just trolling?
This thread reminds me of something that should be over in PWI… Stupid pointless arguments that just go round and round and round.[/quote]
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Hahahahahaha damn what a thread of total horse shit. OP is a walking douche and troll. He is trying to justify stealing and he probably just uses the treadmill and stair master anyway.
On a side note I thought if you had a membership to Golds you could go to any in the country? I know some of the big chains suck balls, but do they have the same deal?[/quote]
yeah you can. They give you a “passport” which allows you to train at any other golds facility 14 times a year. So you basically have an endless supply since most of the time the guy at the gym wont even stamp your “golds passport” and you can keep coming back.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Isnt it pretty damn obvious that the OP is just trolling?
This thread reminds me of something that should be over in PWI… Stupid pointless arguments that just go round and round and round.[/quote]
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Hahahahahaha damn what a thread of total horse shit. OP is a walking douche and troll. He is trying to justify stealing and he probably just uses the treadmill and stair master anyway.
On a side note I thought if you had a membership to Golds you could go to any in the country? I know some of the big chains suck balls, but do they have the same deal?[/quote]
yeah you can. They give you a “passport” which allows you to train at any other golds facility 14 times a year. So you basically have an endless supply since most of the time the guy at the gym wont even stamp your “golds passport” and you can keep coming back.[/quote]
So what about national chains like PF or whatever?
[quote]wramsey wrote:
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
Not to take sides or anything, but talking about Biotest (just out of interest); they still make money from people who don’t buy supplements. It’s pretty genius actually, because 10 years ago or so (can’t remember when they started) this type of marketing was in it’s infancy. You could say that Biotest were one of the few pioneers out there. Things like blogging etc today (free information on a blog), has really cottoned on to what sites like Biotest were doing years ago -
Advertise something as free, and it attracts loads more visitors. The more visitors to a site, the more posts and threads. The more posts and threads, the more what are called “link ins” that they have. In other words, whenever someone makes a new post/thread, that information will get picked up by the search engine “robots”. Any time someone searches for a key phrase/word, if it matches the content in a post/thread it links them to T-Nation (thus often ranking T-Nation onto the 1st page).
This is the sort of thing that’s hard to pay for (1st page ranking on search engines). And it’s all thanks to content (created not only by T-Nation authors, but also by the visitors). It would be almost impossible to compete with T-Nation because of the masses of daily content being added.
Not only that, but the better the quality of the site (e.g. good members giving help/aid to other members in the forums) the more likely someone is going to stay and value Biotest (and raises the chance of them being a buying customer). What makes them stand out from the competition is constant activity and quality content. The constant activity is because of the quality authors they use to write articles, AND the good members who give valuable advise.
Of course, it all boils down to people buying in the end, but that doesn’t mean that those not buying aren’t also contributing to the functioning of the online business. Without the “community”, there would be no T-Nation. Without the heavy contributors (not just authors, but general members), there would be no high page ranking = poor traffic = poor sales
//End internet marketing 101
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Except you kinda did take sides there, didn’t you? And provide a nice self-justification for not buying any supplements to support Biotest! How convenient. It’s cool bro, that’s my point. You’re a “thief” just like me but guess what so are most of the people bitching in this thread. My point is who cares it doesn’t fucking matter and people on their moral high horse should just stfu. Don’t feel bad it’s how 99% of people are, but almost none of them are honest about it.
In this society honesty is valued somewhat less than having dog fights (when someone is honest society goes after them more than Michael Vick) but valued slightly more than raping children. All those priests are still free and being supplied with virgin young boys to rape, and everyone is ok with this (if you look at everyone’s acceptance behavior, rather than lip service against it). So yeah to honestly say you steal causes outrage, when 99% do the same shit when they can get away with it. Not that I care about honesty. The hypocrisy is mind-blowing though.
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Nah I really don’t care enough to take sides lol Internet marketing just a personal interest for me.
I’m a cheapskate and prefer not to pay high delivery charges (from US to UK). Not justifying anything, it’s just how it is (practicality) - I’d rather buy local protein (which is the only supplement I take) compared to double it would cost to have it sent from the US. I don’t feel guilty for saving money.
Even if it weren’t for the fact that visitors help promote Biotest whether they buy or not, I would still go for the cheapest non branded product because I’m a stingy Scottish bastard 
[quote]DJHT wrote:
So what about national chains like PF or whatever? [/quote]
not sure? I know some Golds are franchised thats why they have the passport thing.
If you get a membership at 24 hour fitness you can use any 24hr fitness with your membership (i think for that feature you might have to pay a couple more bucks a month)
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
So what about national chains like PF or whatever? [/quote]
not sure? I know some Golds are franchised thats why they have the passport thing.
If you get a membership at 24 hour fitness you can use any 24hr fitness with your membership (i think for that feature you might have to pay a couple more bucks a month)[/quote]
Thats what I figured. I guess door to door vacuum sales men cant afford 24 hour fitness or golds.
[quote]DJHT wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
So what about national chains like PF or whatever? [/quote]
not sure? I know some Golds are franchised thats why they have the passport thing.
If you get a membership at 24 hour fitness you can use any 24hr fitness with your membership (i think for that feature you might have to pay a couple more bucks a month)[/quote]
Thats what I figured. I guess door to door vacuum sales men cant afford 24 hour fitness or golds.[/quote]
You can get a “nationwide access” membership at Ballys too. They are all over the place.
As a person who hopes to open a gym in the near future, i find this very insulting. And i would throw your ass out of my gym. without your gear, and if you came back for your gear i would have you arrested.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]DJHT wrote:
So what about national chains like PF or whatever? [/quote]
not sure? I know some Golds are franchised thats why they have the passport thing.
If you get a membership at 24 hour fitness you can use any 24hr fitness with your membership (i think for that feature you might have to pay a couple more bucks a month)[/quote]
dude dont you know that over years and years a couple extra dollars a month will amount to BILLIONS of dollars?!?!?! what idiot would be willing to do that when they could steal FO FREE!!!
Summary of thread for those who don’t feel like reading through this mess:
OP: I sneak into gyms for free when I travel, because they’re overpriced.
about one half of the anonymous posters: hmmm…good strategy. I’ve done something like that before.
other half: dude, not cool
OP: I DO WHAT I WANT! FUCK THE WORLD AND BUSINESSES FOR THINKING THEY CAN TAKE MY MONEY! FUCK YOU ALL…GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Why cant we all just get along and agree that insert random lightweight mma fighters physique is perfect?
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
Why cant we all just get along and agree that insert random lightweight mma fighters physique is perfect?[/quote]
Just to spite you Dixie, I diagree! Now insert random twilght character, theres a perfect body for you.
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Look, to me it’s no different than if you’re in the desert dying of thirst and I roll up in my car. I have some water, but I say you have to sign over all your assets to me (lets say $100,000) and I’ll let you have it. Otherwise, you can just fucking die. Hey it’s my water I can charge whatever price the market dictates. You can pay it or go fuck yourself (ie die).
Gyms know that they have traveling lifters by the throat, especially serious lifters. They charge ridiculous fees and you can either pay it or go fuck yourself. The situation is a difference in degree, not in kind, from being in the desert without water.
The difference is that food in the supermarket isn’t 10 times the cost of other food and your only choice for eating. With a gym membership, you pay about $1 per day. To charge an inordinate amount ($10) to people who have no other choice where to train is totally different. It’s exploiting someone based on their circumstances. [/quote]
This is fucking stupid, lifting every day is not required to live.
Seriously, yes a lot of gyms overcharge for casual visits but if you spend a couple of minutes going through the directory you can find a cheap gym.
[quote]wramsey wrote:
[quote]benos4752 wrote:
[quote]wramsey wrote:
[quote]DragnCarry wrote:
[quote]wramsey wrote:
How is stealing actual goods the same as using a gym? The former costs, the latter doesn’t.[/quote]
Really? I’m in the wrong business. I could have just set up a gym, maintained and staffed it for free. And idiots would pay me to use it, except for a few smart people.
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Yeah then you could charge $1,000,000 per day to lift there and complain about people feeling entitled and not paying your ridiculous price. Then go out of business and kill yourself. Which you should do anyway.
When someone lifts at the gym, there’re not costing the gym anything. A car driving on the road doesn’t cost the state more than if they hadn’t driven on the road.[/quote]
Wait, wait, wait…so someone going to a gym cost the gym nothing? I guess someone just squated down and shat out the gym equipment, it wasn’t purchased at any point. And I guess that person sitting at the front desk or sweeping the floor is a free volunteer? Yeah, commercial gyms have ZERO costs! It’s all a giant scam!
And driving your car down the road costs the state nothing? The state doesn’t spend money to maintain the road? Or staff the fire department that’s going to respond to your head-on because your head was so far up your self-centered ass that you didn’t see that you had drifted into oncoming traffic?
And, brah, are you really telling people to kill themselves because they are rightly calling you a thief? My God, you’re either a troll or should have been an abortion.[/quote]
So if I go to a gym, they have to pay for gym equipment, employees, etc. Ok I agree with that. But if I don’t go, then they DON’T have to pay for all that? Oh that’s right, they pay for that shit whether or not I lift there. Thus I’m not costing them anything when I lift there.
You’re fucking stupid. Learn some Economics 101 and google rivalry and excludability. I can’t be bothered to explain a simple distinction to you. Going to a gym for free is not rival (unless super packed I guess) and in my case not excludable.
And you’re REALLY fucking stupid because if you had any reading comprehension whatsoever, you’d realize that this is completely irrelevant to my main point since I DON’T GIVE A FUCK IF IT COST THEM THEIR ENTIRE BUSINESS.
If I could do something for free I would, and they can burn to the ground for all I care, so long as it burns after I’m done with it. I never said “BECAUSE it’s not costing the gym anything THAT JUSTIFIES me not paying.”
I don’t need any justification, I just fucking do it. Problem? The only reason I said anything about cost at all was to reply to people who said I was costing the gym, which I’m not. I couldn’t be any clearer about any of this.
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You dont just do it, you are encouraging others to do it. you should be happy there are all us ‘sukers’ who pay for a visit otherwise maybe they gyms would close and you would have no place to lift.
Wow, didn’t think this thread would blow-up like this, who would’ve thought.
I have been on both sides of the game (management, PT, gym goer).
And yes, I have absolutely no issue getting into gyms that aren’t my home gym for free, however I can do it. Often this involves subversion tactics initially (i.e. ‘fake addresses’, ‘demo sessions’, hell flirting if I can get away with it) followed by the confidence trick if I want to train on subsequent days.
Here’s the other side from my history. On the management team (or at least while I was consulting to) of a couple of gyms there was intentionally overbooked of memberships because we would have people sign on for compulsory one year memberships, knowing for a fact that within 3-months 40-60% of people will stop coming at all but their contract had no out clause.
We knew this from research data, and the planning of gym programs would do nothing to not stop this drop-out rate from happening. We knew there was no issue, people can always be guilted/marketed into signing up again.
So when it comes to my gym, I have a fully paid membership. At other gyms, I try to get in for free however I can.
At my gym (where I have a fully paid membership), I will do whatever I can to get friends/colleagues/family in for free. Considering that casual memberships exceed $25 this is not an amount that someone just wanting a ‘taste’ of exercise especially wants to pay.
I have personally been ‘ripped off’ by my current gym in that they guaranteed a certain number of guest passes for me per year, and then reneged on that when they realized I would actually cash in and use them.
I always describe to my gym ‘guest’ what I am going to do to get them in (more often the confidence trick), and give them the choice as to whether to pay the amount or just walk in with me.
Anyway, carry on the rant (both sides of this discussion are just barking at each other now).
[quote]Oregand wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
Why cant we all just get along and agree that insert random lightweight mma fighters physique is perfect?[/quote]
Just to spite you Dixie, I diagree! Now insert random twilght character, theres a perfect body for you.[/quote]